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Hearthstone |OT5| Corrupted Deeprock Salt
- Thread starter ZealousD
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I just found a random list, I don't even use that list myself.
Ancient Watcher is fine but Nerubian Egg and Demonfire are bad for it. I am also iffy on stuff like Abusive Sergeant and Power Overwhelming in it (don't use it myself).
Auchenai Soul Stealer (ASS) - reverses all healing affects for your opponent. (creature)
Bad Medicine (secret) - Next time an opponent would gain life, they lose it instead.
Nerubian Weblord breh.
BananasWithGuns
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Turn 4 and I'm at 12 health against a Hunter. Literally nothing I can do.
Why the fuck is Leper Gnome 1 mana again?
Edit: And now this Mage just played Gallywix on turn 3. Maybe I'm just done for the night.
Why the fuck is Leper Gnome 1 mana again?
Edit: And now this Mage just played Gallywix on turn 3. Maybe I'm just done for the night.
I don't want to slow it down, I want some way to actively negate/eat the battlecry itself, like counterspell/spellbender as mentioned.
Battlecries are just spells tied to minions and are as of right now completely unaffected by any other spell interaction save Neru'bar, which is a bad card.
It may become a decent option next week, tho.
Main issue with Nerub is the statline. The effect is nice but a 1/4 is really meh.
Man these Reno decks have such a long list people need to take 2 pics.
That's like half the list LOL!
Man these Reno decks have such a long list people need to take 2 pics.
I spent my evening playing Aggro Druid.. the DarkShadow alternate. I don't have the Blackrock expansion unlocked, so I replaced Dragon Eggs with two Undertakers. They did pretty good work for me in terms of confusing my opponent and making them waste resources, but those Fel Reavers are amazing cards. I expect to see BGH wedge himself firmly into the counter-meta if this deck takes off.
People are too greedy to be using BGH's these days in their tempo decks. Secret Paladin doesn't use it for example.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
BGH wasn't being played for a little while in a couple decks but secret paladin has tech'd in aldor peacekeeper to deal with fel reavers all the same.
At lower ranks I was seeing it, though infrequently. Fortunately, with decks like that, if they draw the wrong removal for the situation, aggro can walk all over them. And if they draw the right removal, then you know by the end of turn 7 that you're going to be topdecking crap cards one at a time for the rest of the match, and should just concede so you can move on to the next game.
And follow the rules is why you hold onto your Keepers of the Grove in the Paladin matchup.
CraigerGamer
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I found secret pally wasn't clearing enough off the board early in the game. I added a turn 2 charge and its made a world of difference. I don't think I've used it to go face even once. It simply to clear early sticky minions to set up MC.
I changed the link LOL
BananasWithGuns
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Well, I mean, Thaurissan still needs a nerf. The card essentially reads "Remove this card in one turn or you lose the game." and even when you do that it still results in your death anyway, ala Druid and freeze Mage.
It's just that it's going to join the ranks of Mad Scientist, Muster for Battle, Piloted Shredder and Dr. Boom in being cards that are too strong but Blizzard will never touch.
But anyway, Reno isn't really anywhere close to being on Thaurissan's level in my opinion, which is why the outrage for it is a bit surreal to me.
Yeah been watching a lot of Reno streams and playing some myself. While Renolock seems the most consistent of the Reno decks and you can ladder up with it, a lot of times you just win cause the warlock hero power is so OP and Reno wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome and you probably would've been better playing a different type of lock.
You get these great memorable games where you heal for 29 and win, but that kinda skews your outlook cause every other game a secret pally gets a good curve (which happens a lot cause it's a consistent deck) and you just get steamrolled even if you reno turn 6 or you just don't have an answer against a druid one turn then they just combo you out of the game at near full health.
trying this out atm and i like it, sub out a BGH for crush and grom for icehowl.
edit: reno war vs reno war, i might need to add iron juggernaut and a brewmaster for the extra lawls.
I ran into a Renolock when I was playing aggro druid earlier. He healed up from 6 points to full but left 5 critters of mine on the board. Savage Roar and he was back to 11 again in one turn, and killed him on the next turn after that. Reno's a good counter to something like Freeze Mage which has a limited and precious total amount of damage available, but against anything else he's probably best used when things have already stabilized. He does little to nothing to take back a losing board state.
The point of Renolock is to fix Handlock's biggest weakness: Giving up turns 1-3 when these are the most important turns in the game for the popular decks in Tier 1.
It's better to inconsistently win than to consistently lose because your deck is too slow for the environment. If Handlock comes back to Tier 1, it'll only be because Reno decks slowed everyone else down, like how Patron was suppressing everyone and Handlock was preying on Patron.
Freeze is going to be more popular than it has been in a long time, and Handlock also has a habit of folding to Freeze because it can't accumulate life forever. But Renolock can. It can recover from an Alexstrasza, and tech in Kezan Mystic if need be. Hell, a third of the deck is tech cards.
It's better to inconsistently win than to consistently lose because your deck is too slow for the environment. If Handlock comes back to Tier 1, it'll only be because Reno decks slowed everyone else down, like how Patron was suppressing everyone and Handlock was preying on Patron.
Freeze is going to be more popular than it has been in a long time, and Handlock also has a habit of folding to Freeze because it can't accumulate life forever. But Renolock can. It can recover from an Alexstrasza, and tech in Kezan Mystic if need be. Hell, a third of the deck is tech cards.
Now that blizzard has introduced "deck conditional" cards what other cool concepts could they print?
Some that I thought of:
-If your deck's minions cost 4-7 destroy all non 4-7 cost minions (original cost) on the board (neutral spell, 3 cost, epic rarity)
-If you deck has only even cost cards make your hero power "Destroy a minion with an odd number on it" (4 cost legendary)
or along those lines
-If your deck only has common cards make your hero power "Destroy a non-common minion"
Would be really hard to make something balanced (reasonably) for all classes though.
Some that I thought of:
-If your deck's minions cost 4-7 destroy all non 4-7 cost minions (original cost) on the board (neutral spell, 3 cost, epic rarity)
-If you deck has only even cost cards make your hero power "Destroy a minion with an odd number on it" (4 cost legendary)
or along those lines
-If your deck only has common cards make your hero power "Destroy a non-common minion"
Would be really hard to make something balanced (reasonably) for all classes though.
one card in hand and another in deck doesn't that count for no activation?
No it doesn't, that's why you can run Reno in decks with duplicates if you make sure to draw them before playing him.
I think the problem is still the shortage of effective counters to secrets rather than Reno himself, he's just made already strong (and annoying) decks even stronger.
A low mana card with a battlecry that prevents secrets being activated that turn would be good addition to the game and/or a minion that has that effect when it's in play (in a similar style to Mal'Ganis).
A low mana card with a battlecry that prevents secrets being activated that turn would be good addition to the game and/or a minion that has that effect when it's in play (in a similar style to Mal'Ganis).
SonicXtreme
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Idk I find my casino/tempo mages do pretty well against secret Paladins. Counter spell wrecks them, and spellbender is a god tier tech to stop the guardian of kings crap. Flame walker and arcane middles effing up the tokens. Of course by doing well I just mean I have the weapons to win just barely if I play super smart lol. And since it's not big on minions that new secret isn't too big of a deal.
- If your deck only contains minions, fill your hand with random spells (or gain X spells in your hand).
- For every duplicate card in your deck, deal 1 damage to a random enemy.
BananasWithGuns
Member
It's beautiful.
Also is Divine Spirit/Inner Fire just the standard for dragon Priest now? Almost all the ones I run into are using it.
Also is Divine Spirit/Inner Fire just the standard for dragon Priest now? Almost all the ones I run into are using it.
Mill rouge waits all game, not using gang up on murlocs, instead he double gangs up Reno. facepalm, that's not how it works.
Beat a fatigue warrior as patron, through double deathlord, justicar and brawl. It was just one brawl, the second one never came and it was play on a board with sylvanas, acolyte, belcher and zap-o-matic out of shredder that dealt 12 damage lmao. I locked him on turn 10 with patron, inner rage, loatheb and death's bite pre-set, like that's the only way I could win through 20+armor at that point and if he had the second brawl I would still be rekt. The win rate is probably something like 20-80, it's a bit better than freeze mage vs warrior I guess.
Priest is still really rough but I found a way to win more often, the best way is to bluff that you're not playing patron, that means don't play inner rage or berserker, battle rage and things like that until after lightbomb. Shredders are fine, belcher is great. Hell, it helps greatly if you tech a shieldmaiden or a brawl against dragon priest. There is usually just one lightbomb anyway, bait that thing out with Boom or something and victory is within reach! It's mind games, you gotta priest the priest!
Another way is to just play Alex, have a deathbite set and keep Grom and double inner rage for 18 damage. aka play a almost control warrior deck.
Beat a fatigue warrior as patron, through double deathlord, justicar and brawl. It was just one brawl, the second one never came and it was play on a board with sylvanas, acolyte, belcher and zap-o-matic out of shredder that dealt 12 damage lmao. I locked him on turn 10 with patron, inner rage, loatheb and death's bite pre-set, like that's the only way I could win through 20+armor at that point and if he had the second brawl I would still be rekt. The win rate is probably something like 20-80, it's a bit better than freeze mage vs warrior I guess.
Priest is still really rough but I found a way to win more often, the best way is to bluff that you're not playing patron, that means don't play inner rage or berserker, battle rage and things like that until after lightbomb. Shredders are fine, belcher is great. Hell, it helps greatly if you tech a shieldmaiden or a brawl against dragon priest. There is usually just one lightbomb anyway, bait that thing out with Boom or something and victory is within reach! It's mind games, you gotta priest the priest!
Another way is to just play Alex, have a deathbite set and keep Grom and double inner rage for 18 damage. aka play a almost control warrior deck.
Class specific ones might be easier especially if they go against the usual class archetypes, perhaps:
Hunter - If your deck contains 5 cards of 6 mana or more add three legendary minions to your hand
Mage- If your deck contains no secrets discover a 10 mana card, it costs 4 less.
Priest - If your deck contains no cards that restore health your hero power becomes free.
OK that last one may not work, I'd prefer it to be "if your deck contains no basic cards..." but I suspect Blizzard would say that was too confusing.
It's like still a LOT of people are confused by Reno's text, it probably should have read 'left in your deck' instead.
It's the only way they can win against handlock or control warrior, it makes the deck worse against everything else though and make the dragon consistency really awful. I think some of them cut clerics, it's madness. You can't fit those 4 cards without cutting something really good and those card sit in your hand most of the game, it's just gimmick.
I don't think dragon priest will be a very good deck in near future, sure it's good against aggro decks and that's about it. If aggro is reduced, it loses to any good control deck and freeze mage. I think it will fall out of meta in near future.
It's the only way they can win against handlock or control warrior, it makes the deck worse against everything else though and make the dragon consistency really awful. I think some of them cut clerics, it's madness. You can't fit those 4 cards without cutting something really good and those card sit in your hand most of the game, it's just gimmick.
I don't think dragon priest will be a very good deck in near future, sure it's good against aggro decks and that's about it. If aggro is reduced, it loses to any good control deck and freeze mage. I think it will fall out of meta in near future.
GwyndolinCinder
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My deathlord brought out the fatigue warriors reno, whilst i also have reno in my deck looool
veryslowhand
Banned
Getting value of the new secret in my midrange paladin
Oh, for some reason I thought it was destroy a random minion, seems good against zoo, and boom if it'll kill him instead of a bomb.
Phawx
Member
Damn guys. Brann is going to be awesome with Discover. I initially thought Discover would find a X mana card 'in your deck' not just a semi random X.
It's such a great way to curve when you currently don't have any curve. Also, Reno decks are going to be filled to the brim with heals. Bran and Antique 8 mana 16 health. Hell even bran and voodoo or ERF is still pretty damn good.
What I wonder is if Bran doubles Crowd Favorites buff?
It's such a great way to curve when you currently don't have any curve. Also, Reno decks are going to be filled to the brim with heals. Bran and Antique 8 mana 16 health. Hell even bran and voodoo or ERF is still pretty damn good.
What I wonder is if Bran doubles Crowd Favorites buff?
Xamtheking
Member
No.
CF is "When you play a card with Battlecry" not "When a Battlecry activates"
Phawx
Member
Good call.
GwyndolinCinder
Member
Yup its great how much one wing has given us
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Can't wait to plug unearthed raptor into the control rogue deck I built. It should definitely make things interesting at least. The only thing I am not very keen on is using haunted creeper over zombie chow but it seems worth it. Some have suggested nerubian egg but I just don't see that working out, at least not in control. Even in other decks, activating the egg in rogue is tough to do in a way that maximizes value like in warlock's power overwhelming situation.
Zombie chow vs haunted creeper in rogue... I feel like chow is stronger but backstab is such a strong anti-aggro card to begin with. Maybe I could cut haunted creeper for loot hoarder though.
Also, I wonder if baron rivendare is worth running.
Imagine if rogue had secrets, how broken unearthed raptor might be with mad scientist. Also, they should print a 2 mana deathrattle that does: silence 2 random enemy minions. That would be a pretty interesting card.
Zombie chow vs haunted creeper in rogue... I feel like chow is stronger but backstab is such a strong anti-aggro card to begin with. Maybe I could cut haunted creeper for loot hoarder though.
Also, I wonder if baron rivendare is worth running.
Imagine if rogue had secrets, how broken unearthed raptor might be with mad scientist. Also, they should print a 2 mana deathrattle that does: silence 2 random enemy minions. That would be a pretty interesting card.
FiveSix4Three
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Slamming down Reno against a face hunter is something I'll never get tired of.
Feelsgoodman.
Feelsgoodman.
After reading a few posts above I just realised that Brann will kill Injured Kvaldir, I wonder if there's anything interesting that could be done with that if not now maybe in the future.
After yesterdays soul-crushingly boring decks the ladder returned to the more interesting decks today, it was actually a pleasure to lose to a Rogue making the most of their summoning stone.
After yesterdays soul-crushingly boring decks the ladder returned to the more interesting decks today, it was actually a pleasure to lose to a Rogue making the most of their summoning stone.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I wonder if you can copy reincarnate or other deathrattle-like enhancements from spells. And more relevant, whether you copy from a previously played unearthed raptor. I like the idea of making mini-sylvanases... mini-sylvanai?
This game takes the term "spaghetti code" to a new level.