irfaanator
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anybody have success using garrison commander. About to use him in a hunter deck and wanted to see
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I crafted 2 when TGT released. Was trying to make inspire decks work. Thought it might've been the missing link. Card never worked for me. In order to get something out of its ability you can't really play it as a 2-drop. However you usually don't have the luxury, especially against tempo decks, to keep it in your hand that long either. That said, I didn't try in Hunter or with any LoE cards, so maybe you can it work.
Professor Lich
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Wonder if they tested Keeper/AoLore against Counterspell. That makes it look like they function as spells.
Super Nothing
Member
The bodies should still trigger Knife Juggler. Even bodies summoned by spells like Unleash, Animal Companion, Imp-losion, and Dark Wispers trigger KJ.
Damn, those are actually some serious bugs, lol
Professor Lich
Member
Yeah, for sure, was just curious about the interaction.
My guess is that Druid Choose One abilities used to function as Battlecries, and Blizzard doesn't want them to trigger with Brann. Somewhere along the line they broke something pretty bad.
Now I'm trying to remember if that Hearthstone Science video tested out SI:7 Agent with Djinn.
Garrison Commander works fairly well in paladin. Especially after you have Justicar Truheart or Murloc Knight.
I am using him in a Renodin deck. Super OP once you have played Justicar haha
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Garrison commander's impact is very low because inspire card impact have been very low. But battlecries often have very big impacts, so I think that alone makes the card have a much larger potential than commander.
In other words, I think GC has shown itself to be weak because to get real value off it you need to combo it with cards that haven't made their way into decks yet. But if they do, then GC has the potential to be a strong card. Meanwhile battlecries have been highly valued for a long time and in various metas, therefore BB has a lot better chance to make a large impact.
BB + healbot for a 16 point heal is pretty damn high impact. Perhaps worth running instead of reno, because it isn't like BB's usage ends there either.
And lets say the reno meta slows the game down a lot, maybe inspire decks become a thing and even GC becomes worthy of running. Who knows what will happen after the rest of LOE releases. It looks like there are good cards coming for both aggressive and defensive styles.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
It should copy a minion exactly as it is, with all enhancements and damage taken. For some reason it is not copying the enhancement, which iirc was a bug back in beta.
Also weird is that I have seen faceless work as intended on leeroy + poweroverwhelming. Maybe it is something very specific with shade and the way it buffs itself.
That's two very different things. For Garrison Commander you need to use your hero power twice which is high anti tempo as it is. That's a very low impact play without having Inspire minions on the board or having a buffed hero power.
With Brann you combine it with just one other Battle Cry and it will gain value. So if you are doing like Brann plus Dr Balanced that's incredible value right there. Or Fire Elemental, Azure Drake, Healbot etc.
FiveSix4Three
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Slapped together a djinni druid deck to mess around with on lunch.
Absolutely destroyed a midrange hunter. Never got to slam dark wispers though. Sad day.
Absolutely destroyed a midrange hunter. Never got to slam dark wispers though. Sad day.
that's the thing, the card is a little situational, for example healbot on turn 8 against aggro will be gg, but by then you probably already lost, with boom you had to wait until turn 10, is still good value but in some match ups will be way too slow
and playing him in turn 3 is still a problem since lots of classes can kill him easily
At least making a deck based around this card isn't as viable as thaurissan where you could get value and still play on curve
It's crazy how fast the meta changes and how the entire ranked play community knows about it instantly.Just q'd with my Reno mid range paladin to farm some aggro.... there was none
priest priest priest warrior warrior priest warrior warrior. I mean it wasn't bad for me still but damn.
I don't think it's feasible to play freeze mage right now either lol.
There are other cheaper Battle Cries too like Novice Engineer, Farseer, Refreshment Vendor, Darnassus Aspirant, Abusive Sergeant, SI7 etc.
There are quite a few good Battle Cry cards in HS and many of them are regularly used.
Though I think it's more like a better/faster Rivendale. Not all around useful like Emperor but good in some decks that have a very specific theme. For example Brann is excellent in Mill decks because they can double up on Cold lights with it.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Wow, some of these bugs are actually pretty serious.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Let's be clear - FACERS are calling for a nerf. Their pleas fall on deaf ears, because I'm all out of fucks to give (not that I have any say in the matter).
Keep crying, face hunters : D You might have to use actual strategy now.
The other thing to consider is that he can't target twice a battle cry, so in some cases the double battlecry could get lost
Still, lots of pro had faith for the card, so maybe it will completely change the meta
SI:7 agent is not actually a battlecry. That keyword does not appear on the card. It just says combo.
Super Nothing
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The problem with Garrison Commander is that it requires a lot of resources to get minimal value. The only time that he's actually good is if you already have at least one inspire minion on the board. Even then, you have to have Garrison Commander in hand and 4 extra mana to spend, so it's not even really playable until turn 6. If you play it any time prior to that, then you just played a generic 2/3. Hero power is generally pretty weak (there are a few exceptions like Tank Up!), so the inspire minion has to be really good. There are only a few really strong inspire minions (Thunder Bluff, Saraad, Kodo Rider, Murloc Knight, Paletress to name a few), and they're not likely to stick around because people know not to let that kind of thing snowball if they can help it. It's just too hard to set up a scenario where Garrison Commander generates significant value for what you have to spend on him. That's the reason that inspire as a mechanic has mostly been a flop as well.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I don't play aggro much at all and I still think reno might need a nerf. On the other hand, I know it is way too early to nerf. For the record, a 20-25 hp heal is just as devastating to control as it is to aggro. I lost to a reno warlock because it simply let him to survive to jaraxxus and then get infinite big dudes. And then to another reno warlock deck who got to hit for 20+ damage combo using leeroy, poweroverwhelming and faceless. And another time to fatigue mage healing for 29 health after I pop ice block, this time playing control rogue myself (the other examples I was playing control paladin with justicar'd hero power and lots of late game high value generating cards like KT + Tirion). And once against a reno warrior whom I was way ahead on board and going to win in fatigue but lost because of a 25 heal, which put my fatigue clock 3-4 turns ahead of his.
I'm just saying it isn't nearly cut and dry as you'd think. I certainly don't think a handful of situations means it should be nerfed. People make the argument that a single card's strength can't be so high, particularly pointed at mysterious challenger. I think the same argument should at least be considered with even Reno Jackson.
Brann is going straight into most lock variants. They always lacked decents three drops anyway, and a 2/4 for 3 isn't unplayable on curve as it will usually survive. However, opening up for massive twilight drakes , healbots, arguses etc.. is amazing imho. And late game, it can be kept in hand for good double battlecries topdecks , like Boom, Kezan, Dark Peddler etc... I'd say scrap mountain giants cause they make for too many awkward plays against most decks in the format except control warriors and the like.
I'm also afraid the card will actually be good in fatigue coldlight oracle rogue for an OTK based entirely on card draw. Imagine:
- You control first turns with the rogue arsenal and whatever, then:
- Brann into Coldlight (4 cards), shadowstep, coldlight (8 cards), coldlight (12 cards). That's 10 mana for 12 cards burned (and it's effectively a 2.5 cards combo because of how many cards you draw while you combo the first 2 cards). Jesus. Add additionals coldlights, gang ups, and emperors. Elegiggle.
Also, i'm not sure but i think that raptor copy the deathrattle twice with a brann out. Too bad Combo don't work with battlecries, as well as choose one. I think they all should be reworded to Battlecry:Combo/Choose one for consistency tbh. Would also make the weblord actually a playable hate card.
I'm also afraid the card will actually be good in fatigue coldlight oracle rogue for an OTK based entirely on card draw. Imagine:
- You control first turns with the rogue arsenal and whatever, then:
- Brann into Coldlight (4 cards), shadowstep, coldlight (8 cards), coldlight (12 cards). That's 10 mana for 12 cards burned (and it's effectively a 2.5 cards combo because of how many cards you draw while you combo the first 2 cards). Jesus. Add additionals coldlights, gang ups, and emperors. Elegiggle.
Also, i'm not sure but i think that raptor copy the deathrattle twice with a brann out. Too bad Combo don't work with battlecries, as well as choose one. I think they all should be reworded to Battlecry:Combo/Choose one for consistency tbh. Would also make the weblord actually a playable hate card.
Phawx
Member
oh man. I only have darkbane, but I gotta try this now.
toddhunter
Member
Brann is not something you play on turn 3. It is a "broken combo" card. Like double shadowbomber + nightblade for 18 unblockable burst. People will come up with some cool stuff.
Garrison commander? When I was playing justicar/fatigue warrior before it became trendy it was the mvp. At worst it was an early game 2/3 with pseudo taunt against aggro. At best it was an extra 8 armour at the late game, which won all sorts of matches.
Garrison commander? When I was playing justicar/fatigue warrior before it became trendy it was the mvp. At worst it was an early game 2/3 with pseudo taunt against aggro. At best it was an extra 8 armour at the late game, which won all sorts of matches.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I'd aim to make velen double mindblast work before going there I think. Just a single ET proc and coin is whatevs... and it doesn't deal 12 damage to yourself.
toddhunter
Member
You can try that right now. It doesn't work.
The point is it opens up a lot of new combos and the 3 mana cost makes it all viable.
Priest has a lot of burst potential now, it's just that it's so hard to make a functioning deck with them.
If you want to build a combo deck, you need ways to stall the game, priest has aoe for that sure but fitting those and combo burst is so hard.
If you want to build a face deck, maybe it's more feasible but I'm not sure.
The best deck is probably something between those, a burn deck similar to aggro freeze mage.
If you want to build a combo deck, you need ways to stall the game, priest has aoe for that sure but fitting those and combo burst is so hard.
If you want to build a face deck, maybe it's more feasible but I'm not sure.
The best deck is probably something between those, a burn deck similar to aggro freeze mage.
I created this deck today, after reaching rank 5 with mid range paladin, I was facing a lot of aggro, and I was defeated, even control warrior won against me, so I went back to dragon priest but then I faced a lot of control warriors and dragon/control priest, plus lots of paladins
So after thinking about which cards where killing me I decided to include a justicar, a harrison and 2 thoughtsteal. I returned to 5 after falling at 7 with 2 stars
Justicar has helped me a lot, since I had seen that games are getting longer now, so if I manage to save table I can save some of my minor minions, also healing 4 on your HP saves A LOT in this meta. I faced a mage with fatigue and reno jackson and still managed to defeat him with 28 hp.
Thoughtsteal was playing too much with rng, but it has saved me a lot, specially against the priests, since I manage to had more cards than them, and in the end all the priests suffer when you had more options to outplay him. And against paladin works since after dr 6 you had a lot of chances of pulling a tirion.
Harrison hasn't been useful yet, I just was sick of the warriors and ashbringers, but I had faith that sooner or later he will help me.
My most anticipated card is entomb, I think that this card will make priests super dangerous, since you can remove lots of bullshit cards, plus stealing them. and since my deck is slighty inclined to end in fatigue, I can had even more options in the end game. Sadly I can't think of which card removes since all play a function one way or another. Harrison is probably one card that I will replace with entomb
Here's the priest deck that I posted a couple pages back. I think it's exactly what you're talking about it.
I think it's technically a midrange combo priest... There's just a lot of synergy in there, and people don't expect it. It's got a lot of early control and there's so many targets for the combo. an uncontested Injured blademaster, tournament medic, or even bone guard luitenant can just end the game on turn 6 or 7... and if it goes late you can end up with some amazing board states with medic, spawn of shadows, and baron geddon.
It's a lot of fun to play, and I know it has a lot more potential then I'm able to get out of it because I'm constantly misplaying the combos but still pulling off cool shit. I posted it early because I was hoping someone who's way better then me could try it out and lemme know what they think. maybe that's you?
fucking lol.
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LTTP but Heroic finished
First boss easy once I gave it a ran a time or two.
Second boss was some total bullshit, but eventually I got him. I needed the perfect opening draw.
Escape was simultaneously total fuckery and easy as shit. Freeze Mage makes this basically auto win if you draw decent. I cleared first time as Freeze Mage. That being said I don't see how it's even possible any other way. Total bullshit design by Blizzard.
First boss easy once I gave it a ran a time or two.
Second boss was some total bullshit, but eventually I got him. I needed the perfect opening draw.
Escape was simultaneously total fuckery and easy as shit. Freeze Mage makes this basically auto win if you draw decent. I cleared first time as Freeze Mage. That being said I don't see how it's even possible any other way. Total bullshit design by Blizzard.
https://twitter.com/bdbrode/status/666359351980920832
Ben Brode has confirmed that with discovery cards, there is a 4x more chance to discover class cards.
I could probably change dark cultist for museum curator since the only deathrattle card that priest has is that one, and I need some more drops on turn 2, even if those sucks, but then I will add even more RNG to my deck
Ben Brode has confirmed that with discovery cards, there is a 4x more chance to discover class cards.
I could probably change dark cultist for museum curator since the only deathrattle card that priest has is that one, and I need some more drops on turn 2, even if those sucks, but then I will add even more RNG to my deck
MetroidPrimeRib
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The game seems to be very glitchy right now. Getting three wins for gold but not receiving the gold or the daily progress, conceded in the next mach and then got it...
toddhunter
Member
I love what Reno is doing to the game. It is almost the perfect card in that it is basically irrelevant for competitive play, but destroys people grinding out lame shit for no apparent reason.
It lets people actually play hearthstone.
uhhhhh
Do you had a decklist?
I had been lucky with those 2 buff legendaries, I had got them 3 times on packs, lightbane once appeared as a golden card