Karsticles
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Waaaaay too much to hope for.
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Hearthstone |OT6| C'THUN for President! Why pick the lesser evil?
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If the season ended tomorrow, my F2P, small collection EU account and my P2W, 95% complete Americas account would get roughly the same chest. I climb just as fast with homebrew cheap tempo decks with mostly basics and rares on EU as I do with meta control decks.
For the record, I'm 15 on EU and 12 on Americas. I play EU once every three days to clear quests and I play on Americas every day. I do play a lot of arena but I'm not infinite so I do my quests in ranked. All season I climb from 16 or 15 to 13 or 12 and then I drop back down to around 15. I'm guessing I'll have to play zoo or some other brain dead deck to actually rank up to 10 and get a better chest... and I just don't think it's worth it to give up on having fun just to get an extra gold card at the end of the season.
For the record, I'm 15 on EU and 12 on Americas. I play EU once every three days to clear quests and I play on Americas every day. I do play a lot of arena but I'm not infinite so I do my quests in ranked. All season I climb from 16 or 15 to 13 or 12 and then I drop back down to around 15. I'm guessing I'll have to play zoo or some other brain dead deck to actually rank up to 10 and get a better chest... and I just don't think it's worth it to give up on having fun just to get an extra gold card at the end of the season.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if we didn't get FULL dust value for nerfed cards. I'm well aware that a full dust refund is the precedent for nerfs, but we're talking about 20+ cards getting a nerf this time and they're cards that have done their duties for us for years. I wonder if it'll only be a full refund if you just crafted them recently, or a 2x craft refund or something. I don't know. I'd just be wary of assuming.
Emerson
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They've definitely said you'll get full dust value. It's pretty much a policy.
LyleLanley
Banned
There's no way they'll do that, they still have value in wild.
Got to 5000 gold, bought 5 card packs and it has reminded why I wasn't tempted to stop hoarding instead of buying a few packs from time to time. The only new card was a bad epic and the rares were cards I already have 4 copies of, and still no Blade Flurry. I'm so crafting two as soon as standard hits, to see how soon I get one from a pack.
Have I missed something since this interview?
IGN: Find out When Hearthstones Card Nerfs Will Be Announced
Have they? I didn't see it ever mentioned, just commonly 'understood' by the gaming population. I'd be happy to be wrong!
My bad - I'd heard people throwing around the 20+ number.
You got me all excited!
http://hearthstone.blizzpro.com/2016/03/11/whispers-of-the-old-gods-announced/
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Did everyone that was involved in creating Crackle and Implosion get fired yet?
Nah those guys made Servent of Yogg Sauron and Spreading Madness.
Why should they?
Because I'm 100% sure Ben Brode that designed NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS and he still pretty comfy.
also this
Karsticles
Member
If it's 10-12, then the list is probably:
1) Alexstrasza - the main problem in Freeze Mage
2) Owl - we all know this one
3) Knife Juggler - spoken of in interviews; probably a stat nerf, not an ability nerf like people want
4) Keeper of the Grove - spoken of in interviews
5) Leper Gnome - spoken of in interviews
6) Druid Combo - who knows how, but something here
7) Big Game Hunter - and it better be the biggest nerf ever
8) Molten Giant (hopefully +2 to its cost or something small)
9) Mountain Giant (ditto here)
10) MAYBE: Ice Block
11) MAYBE: Divine Favor? Or maybe I just want it to get nerfed, haha.
12) Oh yeah, Mistress of Disguise is probable.
13) Thanks Nirolak, I completely forgot about Ancient of Lore.
I can't think of anything else that creates significant issues or is whined about a lot right now.
1) Alexstrasza - the main problem in Freeze Mage
2) Owl - we all know this one
3) Knife Juggler - spoken of in interviews; probably a stat nerf, not an ability nerf like people want
4) Keeper of the Grove - spoken of in interviews
5) Leper Gnome - spoken of in interviews
6) Druid Combo - who knows how, but something here
7) Big Game Hunter - and it better be the biggest nerf ever
8) Molten Giant (hopefully +2 to its cost or something small)
9) Mountain Giant (ditto here)
10) MAYBE: Ice Block
11) MAYBE: Divine Favor? Or maybe I just want it to get nerfed, haha.
12) Oh yeah, Mistress of Disguise is probable.
13) Thanks Nirolak, I completely forgot about Ancient of Lore.
I can't think of anything else that creates significant issues or is whined about a lot right now.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
I realized that only assholes are going to play Servant and they're going to piss me off with their luck.
Ancient of Lore has been mentioned a few times. I don't think Innervate/Wild Growth will be changed.
Also we knew one or more Rogue cards will be nerfed. Same issue as Druid cards, too prevalent in all of their decks.
Would not be shocked if they nerfed Rockbiter + Doomhammer combo.
Karsticles
Member
Yeah, here is my updated list:
If it's 10-12, then the list is probably:
1) Alexstrasza - the main problem in Freeze Mage
2) Owl - we all know this one
3) Knife Juggler - spoken of in interviews; probably a stat nerf, not an ability nerf like people want
4) Keeper of the Grove - spoken of in interviews
5) Leper Gnome - spoken of in interviews
6) Druid Combo - who knows how, but something here
7) Big Game Hunter - and it better be the biggest nerf ever
8) Molten Giant (hopefully +2 to its cost or something small)
9) Mountain Giant (ditto here)
10) MAYBE: Ice Block
11) MAYBE: Divine Favor? Or maybe I just want it to get nerfed, haha.
12) Oh yeah, Mistress of Disguise is probable.
13) Thanks Nirolak, I completely forgot about Ancient of Lore.
We haven't heard any mention of Rockbiter getting nerfed. I agree it makes sense, but there haven't been any hints of it. The dream nerf would be Tirion Fordring.
Yup, if they really intent on slowing down the meta there is no place for divine favor.
Yeah, but moving cards out of standard is not the same as nerfing them.
Stuff like Owl, BGH, Master of Disguise, they don't really need to be nerfed, but they aren't healthy to stay in classic, since they limit the design space to much.
Yeah that's why they don't even have Divine Favor in their deck recipe for Murloc Paladin...
My dream list would be:
1) BGH
2) Owl
3) Alexstrasza
4) Knife Juggler
5) Leper Gnome
6) Molten Giants (even though I love me some Handlock, this card has always given Blizzard issues)
7) Divine Favor
8) Druid Combo
9) Ancient of Lore
10) Preparation
11) Innervate
12) Rockbiter
Master of Disguise only because of future design necessity.
Their recipie is not an aggro list, it's a garbagio midrange list. It also runs Finley which is anti-synergy with Vilefin Inquisitor.
Yeah, it seems very strong. Excited to see if it is good enough to support a full Hunter Deathrattle deck.
Professor Lich
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Speaking of Huhu, what would happen if you used her Battlecry on something like Tentacle of N'Zoth pr Abomination? She shouldn't take any damage, right?
Just curious because while running a Control Hunter, I would use Explosive Sheep with Feign Death. 4 damage board clear that comes out in waves to deal with Deathrattles. Shouldn't be too much of an issue in Standard but it'd be cool to be able to combo like that and have a clean body on the board.
Just curious because while running a Control Hunter, I would use Explosive Sheep with Feign Death. 4 damage board clear that comes out in waves to deal with Deathrattles. Shouldn't be too much of an issue in Standard but it'd be cool to be able to combo like that and have a clean body on the board.
She would take damage. Battlecries trigger after minions hit the board.
Karsticles
Member
It would also leave hunters without any board clear option.
Nah son, they still have Acidmaw plus UTH combo.
Plus Explosive Shot, Explosive Trap, Powershot and Multishot.
Neither Midrange nor Face Hunter actually uses the Juggler + UTH combo for board clear... well that's not its primary function. It's mostly to gain a huge tempo swing over the opponent who is also flooding then go face with the dogs to put the other opponent on a clock.
Karsticles
Member
Lol, that 10 mana board clear.
Explosive Trap doesn't count since you can't control it. If it procced on minion attacks like Freezing Trap, I would agree with you. The rest of those spells only hit a few minions. They don't help in matchups where you need to clear 5-6 minions that all dropped in one turn.
LyleLanley
Banned
I love when a mage makes it incredibly obvious that they're trying to get you to duplicate their Reno Jackson.
Professor Lich
Member
I thought it was the other way around because of the Mad Scientist > Mirror Enity > Copy Minion interaction.
Or is that a bug?
RumblingRosco
Member
I feel like Princess Huhuran could be 6-mana and still see play. Hell, as a 7-mana Neutral I bet she'd have seen some play. Good card. I like it and don't think it's OP, just good.
I mean, at 5 mana for a 6/5, she essentially passes the Vanilla test. Then she has a Beast tag, which is worth 0.5 mana I'd argue. Then she has the Deathrattle which has to be worth 1-mana if not 1.5.
I mean, at 5 mana for a 6/5, she essentially passes the Vanilla test. Then she has a Beast tag, which is worth 0.5 mana I'd argue. Then she has the Deathrattle which has to be worth 1-mana if not 1.5.
In Standard there's going to be far less of dropping 5-6 minions in one turn and if they do then those should be cleared by UTH by itself (like that Paladin card, countered completely by UTH for 2 less mana).
Powershot is in most cases is an earlier Consecration which is very good. Card is hella underrated and is used in actual Control Hunter lists (lol but still). Explosive Shot also isn't that bad, usually kills two minions but also is a Control Hunter only card. Multishot sucks though.
I forgot to mention but Hunter also has Wild Pyromancer plus Hunter's Mark combo (one damage AOE plus kills any big target) and Dreadscale plus Hunter's Mark (one damage AOE and kills a big threat). So there are certainly alternative options to clearing weenie minions outside of UTH.
Also Acidmaw plus Powershot, Wild Pyro and Dreadscale is also a board wipe so there are still multiple ways to get that off.
These cards don't see play because the archetype overall isn't good enough. The options are there and are arguably better than stuff like what Druid has but the other toolset isn't there (good taunts, good late game minions, good draws, good heals).
Or with Stalagg, as one recently tried on me. I just said nope and went face.
UTH + Juggler isn't a board clear either. It's less consistent than an explosive trap. Oh hey, you needed all of those to go to minions but instead they went face, ok. so much for a board clear, because it's not.
Reddit is supposed to get a card reveal today.
Karsticles
Member
UTH + Juggler does 2 damage per minion, but you get to control half of it, so it can be a more efficient Explosive Trap or Holy Nova in terms of clear power. If your opponent has 1 health minions, you get to keep board presence. If there are 3 health minions, you can gang up multiple dogs on them. I had my 5 minion board cleared by this combo just last night, and Dahbomb watched it happen.
Battlecries happen when the minion enters play, but deathrattles resolve (and mirror entity procs) before the card is done resolving. Frostwolf Warlord wouldn't work if battlecries happened before the minion gets on the board.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Juggler acting like an arcane explosion is exactly why it needs to be nerfed in the first place.
Karsticles
Member
The mana cost for that effect is pretty fair.
Holy Nova is 5 mana to deal 2 damage to all enemy characters and heal friendlies for 2.
Juggler + UTH is 5 mana to deal ~2 damage to all enemy minions.
So Juggler+UTH costs the same, is roughly as powerful (flexibility of 1/1 minions), and it takes two cards instead of one.
