Warrior is generally regarded as tied with Druid in LoE, imo it's the more consistent of the two. Any draft needs to be insane to overcome the flood of braindead Paladin fucks and go 10+.
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Hearthstone |OT6| C'THUN for President! Why pick the lesser evil?
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Warrior is generally regarded as tied with Druid in LoE, imo it's the more consistent of the two. Any draft needs to be insane to overcome the flood of braindead Paladin fucks and go 10+.
Both are bad from behind but infest is literally a dead card where cultist can atleast be dropped from hand even if it feels bad. Hunter has never been able to hold a board well so cultist/infest would mainly trigger off unleash combo.
Yeah, that's true. I feel like a good player can overcome the Paladins with only a slightly above average draft and some good RNG with Rogue or Mage though, their class cards and hero powers are just so strong. With other classes like Warrior or Druid I need those insane decks just to compete in the higher ranks.
Karsticles
Member
I think the biggest problem is that Beast cards mostly suck. Terrible stats.
BananasWithGuns
Member
God I'm so fucking sick of Paladin.
Hope that class dies off completely in Standard.
Hope that class dies off completely in Standard.
Karsticles
Member
It won't even be recognizable to you in a month since half of its current deck is leaving Standard.
Yeah right. With how many "cards that kinda do what leaving cards do" already showing up, they are going to get some "corrupted" bullshit that will make us hate them
Karsticles
Member
Depends on your minions.
Mini-Shieldbot trades evenly with a lot of 2-drops like Haunted Creeper and Unstable Ghoul. It even trades evenly with some 1-drops like Dragon Whelp and Zombie Chow.
Damn so annoying Mill rouges is.(coldlight oracle go to hell) Sure out of 10 matches i win 8-9 but still. its so damn anoying and boring to play those matches. they take forever....
and the sad part are that i have meet too many with this deck the last days. Are this deck back?
because i havent meet any in some time before this weekend.
and the sad part are that i have meet too many with this deck the last days. Are this deck back?
because i havent meet any in some time before this weekend.
Karsticles
Member
The worst thing in Arena is getting dust or crappy cards instead of gold for your prize. 
The worst thing in Arena is getting dust or crappy cards instead of gold for your prize.
Dust I can take it
an dupe common card is worst shit you can get
Acerac
Banned
The worst thing in Arena is getting dust or crappy cards instead of gold for your prize.
At this point I'm more upset if I see a GvG pack... though yeah, a common card is real ugly.
They are going to stop offering those as rewards once standard rotates in, right?
Karsticles
Member
Sacrificial Pact is like...the perfect candidate for a card that should let you draw when you use it. Cycle a minion and heal 5? I would put that in a deck.
I actually like that Arena gives me GvG packs still. It's cool. Will Arena still give GvG packs post-Standard? I hope so, because I can't justify spending gold on them, but they're nice side rewards.
I am up from 20 dust to 110 dust, and now I am not infinite in Arena anymore.
I actually like that Arena gives me GvG packs still. It's cool. Will Arena still give GvG packs post-Standard? I hope so, because I can't justify spending gold on them, but they're nice side rewards.
20 dust is a rare, but 50 gold is half a pack. So it's like a worst case scenario dust reward from a pack, and a pack often gives you better than just one rare.
I am up from 20 dust to 110 dust, and now I am not infinite in Arena anymore.
this why I only play arena at my 2nd choice server for time being
haha, priest vs priest, who's driving my shredder but none other than lorewalker cho. My opponent could have just pained it but he for some reason decided to pain my elise.I just had so many minions and no spells, his whole hand must have been spells because at turn 6 he just conceded
Man don't get discouraged. HearthGAF has a pretty high ratio of tilt posts. A pretty popular post template is "I just lost to X, clearly X is OP!"
One of the things that contributes to this is that in order to make meaningful progress in the game, you have to get wins. There are very few things that reward a player just for queueing into a match and playing their best, which is a shame. As a result it is very easy for players to get super stressed, blow things a little out of proportion, or get sucked into a downward spiral where everything is terrible.
Just be mindful of that, take a break when you're feeling blue, and you'll be fine.
Karsticles
Member
I still hate Reno.
That's the opposite of my deck from earlier. Couldn't get a single spell outside of Cone of Cold. No joke. All of the minions were junk, too. I was amazed that I went 4-3 with it from smart play and a few terrible opponents.Arena deck rank: almost constructed
he duplicated my flamewaker on t8 and conceded
didn't even get to play my rhonin T_T
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I feel like N'zoth would provide more jobs. And I don't know much about the other gods at this point, because I guess C'thun never lets them speak at debates. So I think I'll vote for N'zoth. On the plus side, C'thun just hands himself out to everyone for free. N'zoth is the premium presidential candidate.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
The problem is that Shielded Minibot either wins or trades evenly against other 2 drops(and even lots of 3 drops), is there any 2 drop that wins versus it? I don't think so.
Yeah this. Getting back up after a string of losses is a long grindy slog. There's no "back in the game" incentive or reward to help you on your way, so you just gotta take a break and come back to it another time when you're not feeling so pissed off.
You will also feel like there is some secret way to win that higher ranked players are not telling you. If there is, then they don't even seem to know what it is either because I have asked on here. I still think it is weird that there is such a sharp dividing line around rank 15, and I do wonder if there's something that people above that rank know that people below it don't, but certainly nobody seems able to articulate what that might be.
This is my deck:
It's a pretty good deck, though I wouldn't be at 8-0 without a couple asspulls like topdecking flamestrike after getting a soot spewer from my scarab the previous turn. Though that asspull didn't even feel bad since it was vs a paladin that had a chow minibot muster opening.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Steps to success:
Pick strong deck.
Understand how that deck works. What is it's strategy for surviving against different archetypes and scenarios. What is its long term strategies for ultimately finishing off your opponent, and how does it do that.
Mulligan well. <- much more difficult than just mulliganing for low curve cards btw
Understand your opponent's deck the best you can. Identifying what it is is perhaps the first thing your brain should be trying to figure out after mulligan.
Use your mana efficiently each turn. General rule, use up all your mana each turn making reasonable plays.
Identify the way your opponent is trying to win and the way you will win. Sometimes this determines whether you should trade or go face. And you do this almost every single turn. When there are multiple choices for a turn, you try to figure out what has the highest chance of succeeding.
Tale joy in the fact that renolock basically cannot beat druid. Actually stopped me from playing the deck due to seeing it so often for now.
Flame juggler is the only one I can think of and it comes down to him being a random piece of shit.
Are you on Discord? And EU or US? Didn't realize you were new to the game as well.
And how do I see what rank I am? And what is BSM?
Hell I don't even like to put forth the time necessary to get to Rank 5.
I'll get right back to you when I got it. It's in one of my earlier posts.
[edit] It's here:
Karsticles
Member
That's a fine deck!
http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards?filter-premium=1&filter-cost-val=2&filter-cost-op=3&display=3
Argent Lance if you win the Joust (lol).
Sap? Kind of?
Flame Juggler!
Mad Bomber with godlike RNG.
Nerubian Egg?
Damn, that's a short list with nothing guaranteed. Minibot OP!
I've started to run Shades in my Patron Warrior deck to help with the situation. I actually coined one on turn 2 on my last match to help counter Reno through hiding more burst, but he used Demonwrath immediately. My second Shade was the second to the last draw in the deck, and I actually went into fatigue against him.
Let me see...
http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards?filter-premium=1&filter-cost-val=2&filter-cost-op=3&display=3
Argent Lance if you win the Joust (lol).
Sap? Kind of?
Flame Juggler!
Mad Bomber with godlike RNG.
Nerubian Egg?
Damn, that's a short list with nothing guaranteed. Minibot OP!
Your decision is premature. There are two candidates we haven't even heard about yet!
Good advice. There are still decks I'm trying to understand how to win against with Patron Warrior, like Control Warrior.
I keep playing these smart Reno players that won't go below 16 health without using Reno, and 14 health is my burst kill point thanks to Grom. :-(
I've started to run Shades in my Patron Warrior deck to help with the situation. I actually coined one on turn 2 on my last match to help counter Reno through hiding more burst, but he used Demonwrath immediately. My second Shade was the second to the last draw in the deck, and I actually went into fatigue against him.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
The minibot question got me thinking about something else, would minibot have been bad if it was just a 2/1 with Divine Shield? I can't really think of many matchups in which it's suddenly way weaker, of course he can be finished off via ping but I feel like it would've actually been a fair card at 2/1.
Karsticles
Member
Anno-o-tron is 1/2 taunt divine shield, so I think 2/1 divine shield is fair, especially since there's a 3/1 divine shield. It would still be one of the better 2-drops to play, but it would be easier to counter through other cards.
IMO Minibot would've been fine if 1) there were more playable 2/3 minions and 3) muster didn't exist or give you the weapon for finishing off the 2/3s
I'm biased, but you should start with a zoo warlock when you start laddering. It's easy to learn, hard to master, cheap, and teaches you a lot about the game. 2nd choice would be a F2P mage. Here are a bunch of F2P decks by Trump (watch Trump Teaches too!). They're really outdated, but run mostly off the basic and vanilla cards and are cheap to make.
I'm biased, but you should start with a zoo warlock when you start laddering. It's easy to learn, hard to master, cheap, and teaches you a lot about the game. 2nd choice would be a F2P mage. Here are a bunch of F2P decks by Trump (watch Trump Teaches too!). They're really outdated, but run mostly off the basic and vanilla cards and are cheap to make.
Argent Lance is a weapon and weapons are designed to kill multiple minions. You have to take like 6 damage to remove a Minibot with Argent Lance over two turns... that's still pretty mediocre AND you have to win the Joust so it's not guaranteed.
Sap is one for one and doesn't kill Minibot. It goes even at best when it comes to tempo.... if a Rogue uses Sap on your Minibot then you are winning the game.
Mad Bomber only if it gets the perfect RNG and only if Minibot is the only other minion on the board. If Mad Bomber doesn't hit the Minibot once then Minibot gets a free kill.
Same thing with Flame Juggler only the odds are better here.
Nerubian Egg goes even with Minibot. 0/2 dies for free, 4/4 trades evenly with a Minibot. Yes... Minibot goes EVEN with a 4/4 minion.
Karsticles
Member
I was just about to amend my post to remove the Egg - good post.
I wouldn't call Zoo hard to master but it does have a reasonable skill ceiling for an aggro deck. Requires you to keep track of more things than autopilot trash like Druid or Secredin (the absolute worst recommendation for someone looking to learn the game btw).
Zoo is not (generally) aggro though. Gotta keep and leverage that board.
But Ben Brode told me that it was a skill intensive deck.
veloxStrix
Banned
I'm so mad that Dog lost. Especially off of a topdeck, especially after the shit draws with Rogue. PJSalt.
That topdick was pure bs but still not even close to Dog's chain-whiffs on Rogue......
It's an aggressive tempo deck if you want to make that distinction, but it's pretty pointless as this describes almost the entire meta of contemporary Hearthstone
The Mango Sentinel
Member
I recently started playing a Reno Mage deck and that shit is some of the most fun I've had playing this game. Games are long as fuck though.
Karsticles
Member
It's funny how Paladins have a certain reputation in WoW, too. How does it follow people around?
Maybe it's fun because of the total lack of consequences for any of your early game decisions that Reno enables.
irfaanator
Banned
with the upcoming patch if you just want to play standard you don't need Naxx or GvG. Adventures are things like Naxx, BRM, and LoE where there are wings where you defeat AI bosses and get cards. Expansions like GvG, TGT, and the upcoming Old Gods are where you buy packs of 5 random cards.
You won't be able adventures that are over a year old which in this case is just Naxx when the new patch hits, but you can craft those cards instead