slightconfuse
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hoyls hit not 1 but 2 palidins.
amazing..also how si the new adventure?
amazing..also how si the new adventure?
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Look up "NovaPatra".
Mobius and pet octopus
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You can't blame all your mistakes on nerves. At one point you just gotta accept that you fucked up by roping out every turn, especially on a turn where you're making 4-5 actions with card draws and violet teacher summons. The blame is squarely on the player, not his nerves. Time management itself is a big skill. I don't blame him for trying to emulate ropecoach but you can't just rope before taking action on a big turn and it cost him the game.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I just played Doomguard on turn 5 and discarded 2 silverware golems.
The dream
The dream is with malchezzar imp on board. That would be the ultimate dream.
My max rank is either 8 or 9 I mostly lay the decks I make myself. I have a mid range warlock that could probably take me to 5 if I played for a long amount of time.
I just can't stand playing the same deck for a long time. I have this problem in other games as well. When you can choose characters like in SSB I always choose a different character each game.
he wild has enough experimentation in the ranks below 10 that you see everything. So it is my preferred habitat.
Last month I did reach rank 10 in both standard and wild lol if only they stacked.
I've been trying taunt warrior in the wild I like throwing N'zoth in it and think it can work with some tuning. I really need to disenchant some things for Chilmaw.
slightconfuse
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using the same deck 3 times always ssems like a bad idea
Mobius and pet octopus
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God damn, Casie is supposed to be a good rogue player? That was embarrassing. Did he mistake miracle rogue for tempo rogue? WTF was going on there. He just made the strongest play each turn without any forward thinking you would see from a pro miracle rogue player.
Could you provide a link to it?
There's discussion about the deck here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiv...ing_a_better_yoggnload_with_cloaked_huntress/
It's basically 2x Cloaked Huntress, 1x Yogg, 1x Emperor, 2x Eaglehorn Bow, 2x Lock & Load, 2x Animal Companion, 2x Doomsayer, 2x Call of the Wild, then all the secrets except 1x Snipe. Rest of deck is filled with draw cards/tech choices. The blowout turns are when you have Huntress and Lock & Load, and you generally have secrets in hand since the deck is filled with em. It's basically a Gadgetzan Conceal/Mysterious Challenger turn except you can actually do it on turn 4 or 5.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Is there another card that has been buffed time and time again with the addition of new cards, like execute and shield slam?
Execute used to be something you could actually play around. Warrior only had a few activators like cruel taskmaster and whirlwind to take immediate advantage of execute, or they had to slam face.
But for some god awful reason they had to give them a 1 mana 2/2 activator and ravaging ghoul.
And then shield slam... that's another card you could play around by forward thinking. Reducing their armor was effective. They only had 1 real strong way to make that card guarantee a big hit early on and that was shield block. So the rest of the game as long as you reduced their armor enough, you could kind of reduce the effectiveness of the card.
But then they got justicar trueheart to make it hit for 4 on demand, which is a huge deal. Bash was also a great activator for it, although it's foreshadowed by even better activators. Shieldbearer is obviously the most degenerate activator, allowing their 1 mana card to hit for 10 damage... 1 mana pyroblast (or greater).
This is all just very concerning because blizzard wanted to reduce the impact of classic cards, yet they keep printing cards that directly support warrior's already great set of tools. Execute and shield slam have always been among the best removals in the game, and they buffed them in OG while trying to scale back the power of previous sets.
I can only imagine that warrior somehow dodged several nerfs when standard rotation came. They originally had up to 20 planned nerfs...
Execute used to be something you could actually play around. Warrior only had a few activators like cruel taskmaster and whirlwind to take immediate advantage of execute, or they had to slam face.
But for some god awful reason they had to give them a 1 mana 2/2 activator and ravaging ghoul.
And then shield slam... that's another card you could play around by forward thinking. Reducing their armor was effective. They only had 1 real strong way to make that card guarantee a big hit early on and that was shield block. So the rest of the game as long as you reduced their armor enough, you could kind of reduce the effectiveness of the card.
But then they got justicar trueheart to make it hit for 4 on demand, which is a huge deal. Bash was also a great activator for it, although it's foreshadowed by even better activators. Shieldbearer is obviously the most degenerate activator, allowing their 1 mana card to hit for 10 damage... 1 mana pyroblast (or greater).
This is all just very concerning because blizzard wanted to reduce the impact of classic cards, yet they keep printing cards that directly support warrior's already great set of tools. Execute and shield slam have always been among the best removals in the game, and they buffed them in OG while trying to scale back the power of previous sets.
I can only imagine that warrior somehow dodged several nerfs when standard rotation came. They originally had up to 20 planned nerfs...
People have been trying to make that work for a few days now, it's not that good.
Yeah sure you win some games when you get the dream with Huntress but otherwise you are just getting pummeled against aggro/tempo decks non stop. Sometimes Call of the Wild and Yogg carries/saves the game but it's not a consistent deck to be honest.
At least right now it isn't, maybe after it's more refined there will be more to it.
It's not tier 1 but it's at least as good as Yogg Druid.
The simplest answer to all your questions is ...blizzard pushes the archetypes they want and they prints cards that support them. They've wanted a tempo warrior for a while and now you see the result. Don't even get me started at all the attempts to push secrets.
As for "buffing" warriors removal... it's kinda of a side effect of being the only class whose main removal is conditional. Also it's not really been that big an issue in control warrior (always had counters from priest, handlock,etc) ... it's giving a tempo deck such powerful removal that's the big problem.
Mobius and pet octopus
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My question was... is there another card that has been continually buffed the same way execute and shield slam have been...
Well Yogg Druid is tier 1 or at least very close to it.
I am skeptical but I am keeping an eye on it. There are still some more support cards for the deck that could change up things.
Mana Wyrm and Sorcerer Apprentice every time they print a cheap spell for Mage. Or when they print an efficient spell damage or spell proc minion like Flamewaker/Cult Sorcerer.
Power Overwhelming every time they print a sticky low cost minion (like Possessed Villager).
LyleLanley
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I'm not sure if Secret Huntress Hunter, or whatever we're calling it, is good but it sure is fun when it works out.
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thepotatoman
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Secret Hunter is solidly tier 3, similar to Miracle Rogue and N'Zoth Palidan. which means very usable, especially after Cat Trick. It's better than tier 4 decks like Bubble Palidan and anything Priest.
Maybe with refinement it can make tier 2, but there's been a lot of time with a lot of focus on that deck already.
Maybe with refinement it can make tier 2, but there's been a lot of time with a lot of focus on that deck already.
Used over 3k dust to craft Control Shaman, actually looking forward to playing against Dragon Warrior, Aggro Shaman, and Zoolock.
Gets matched up against nothing but Priest, Control Warrior, C'thun Warrior, and Control Paladin. Makes sense. This matchmaking has to be rigged.
Played against a Token Druid, Midrange hunter, and Zoolock with it so far. I think Control Shaman is going to be recognized as a tier 1 deck in the next few weeks. As soon as I set up a single wall + ances spirit it was GG in all 3 matches. I'm loving these burst heals, great aoe removal that doesn't NEED to be combo'ed, and massive minions that can't be ignored. Added N'zoth to make the C'thun warrior matchup significantly easier because it's near impossible to force a warrior to use all of their removals and brawl while maintaining a decent board. Still waiting for the Dragon Warriors that are somehow nowhere to be found today.
Current list:
Gets matched up against nothing but Priest, Control Warrior, C'thun Warrior, and Control Paladin. Makes sense. This matchmaking has to be rigged.
Played against a Token Druid, Midrange hunter, and Zoolock with it so far. I think Control Shaman is going to be recognized as a tier 1 deck in the next few weeks. As soon as I set up a single wall + ances spirit it was GG in all 3 matches. I'm loving these burst heals, great aoe removal that doesn't NEED to be combo'ed, and massive minions that can't be ignored. Added N'zoth to make the C'thun warrior matchup significantly easier because it's near impossible to force a warrior to use all of their removals and brawl while maintaining a decent board. Still waiting for the Dragon Warriors that are somehow nowhere to be found today.
Current list:
EDIT: Dropped N'zoth for Emperor Thaurissan. I'd rather have another high priority pseudo taunt than N'zoth. I normally have a near full hand so the discount helps improve the match-up against aggro/tempo decks. I watched a warrior casually remove a 2x Ancestral Spirit Cairne + N'zoth Cairnes with Gorehowl and some removals. I'll just accept that C'thun/Control warrior is a bad match-up.
Secret Hunter would be legit if it had a burst heal like Shaman (Healing Wave) and if they had better card draw engine that draws their deck. That deck is the nuts when it has a godlike opener but it can also easily have a bad opening hand and then fizzle out while you rely on top decks.
What I was saying is that they're not purposely buffing them...they are releasing cards for their own agenda.
And I would argue with "continually buffed". Death's bite and shield maiden were huge losses.
As for actual cards that have been continually buffed I'd say knife juggler, gadgetstan auctioneer, any secret (they become more powerful the more uncertainty with the release of new secrets and ease you can play them with), and I'm sure there's more if I think about it. It's just that those cards aren't really in the meta at the moment.
Edit: forgot the biggies dahbomb mentioned. Low drops that have cascading power...now those are annoying
Once TGT rotates out... Warrior isn't going to have Justicar or Bash for easy armor gains anymor. Yeah they will still have Cthun Warrior but that's still a conditional buff and sometimes you don't get it off (yes it can happen and has happened). Though I guess it depends on what they get in the next expansion.
I do agree that Execute has never been as good as it is now between Ravaging Ghoul and Blood to Ichor. Shield Slam however got a lot worse when Shield Maiden rotated out.
I do agree that Execute has never been as good as it is now between Ravaging Ghoul and Blood to Ichor. Shield Slam however got a lot worse when Shield Maiden rotated out.
Oh man Priest of the Feast would've been SICK in Lock n Load Secret Hunter.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Till you make your yogg a chicken lol
I just played Doomguard on turn 5 and discarded 2 silverware golems.
The dream
ah yeah cant wait to try that one
Mobius and pet octopus
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I'm liking this deck so far.
I only wish I could squeeze more synergy out of Rallying blade because it turns out a 3 mana fiery war axe is still pretty good. And having 4 shots at getting a weapon early on is rather nice as well.
BananasWithGuns
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Horserider is interesting. Are you just using them for favorable trades?
Mobius and pet octopus
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Yeah, I just wanted something that can hit the board fast. I've occasionally made it a 3/2 with rallying blade. It often just acts like a disciple of cthun, and I think that's okay.
I'm looking forward to trying dragon paladin, where I'll run that 2/3 that summons 2 1/1 whelps in that slot.
Was inspired by Kripp and hoped into Arena. Got destroyed (only got 1 win). Didn't use HearthArena to build my deck tho (out of lziness). I got 30 dust and 1 WoTG pack. I was actually satisfied with that.
But when I opened my pack I did a dance cause I landed on Yogg Saron.This is so awesome I wanted this card so bad since I did so well with it in Brawl (Mage) this week.
edit --> Btw I should dust this Tentacle Arms epic card right? I never see any decks use it
But when I opened my pack I did a dance cause I landed on Yogg Saron.This is so awesome I wanted this card so bad since I did so well with it in Brawl (Mage) this week.
edit --> Btw I should dust this Tentacle Arms epic card right? I never see any decks use it
Not sure if posted but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQB_p8etL00&ab_channel=MohammadM
The laughing man doing a hearthstone interview on priests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQB_p8etL00&ab_channel=MohammadM
The laughing man doing a hearthstone interview on priests
L-O-L!
forgot to post that one. It's crazy funny I lol'ed so hard when I saw that a few days ago. I love it when fans remix that footage
Karsticles
Member
It seems pretty good from what I've seen.
I think people are waiting on Imp of Malchazaar to make that conclusion.
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thepotatoman
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The problem with silverware golem right now is there's not a good enough reason to play a discard card and risk it not discarding the Golem, unless you go full discard which is very bad. There's like 1 turn per game where you can use it reliably as a 0 mana 3/3.
It'll become more acceptable when Malchezaar's Imp gets put in and you can start feeling ok if the RNG chooses a card to discard that's not Silverware Golem.
It'll become more acceptable when Malchezaar's Imp gets put in and you can start feeling ok if the RNG chooses a card to discard that's not Silverware Golem.
I'm interested to how good Golem in simple set-up like 2 soulfire and 2 doomguard, from what I see its not that working.
yeah but most zoo decks already run soulfire and doomguard. Was just watching a tournament today and everyone had doomguard at very least and they could pull a soulfire from 'Dark peddler'.
anyway no time to mess with that card myself yet. I'm trying to figure out how to build a Mage deck since over the past week I pulled Yogg and Archmage legends from decks
BananasWithGuns
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Wonder if Pantry Spider is worthwhile in an Evolve Shaman deck. Seems like it could be pretty good.
Also I hate these week long waits between wings. Pretty much have to put off deck ideas for a month.
Also I hate these week long waits between wings. Pretty much have to put off deck ideas for a month.
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