Eliminating pirates from the meta simply makes way for different aggro decks to take their place. Zoo/Hunter would check the Jade decks.
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Eliminating pirates from the meta simply makes way for different aggro decks to take their place. Zoo/Hunter would check the Jade decks.
This is the game
It beats the face decks, loses to almost everything else. I think it should beat reno mage too, I haven't played against many. Mid shaman is 50:50. It's ok, not as bad as people say. You should update your list with lists on v/s.
In those ranks right now, I'm guessing people play lots of greedy priest or jade stuff so I don't recommend it. It does better around 10-5.
Thanks.
This is what I'm seeing. What would you recommend as a good deck to get out of the lower ranks currently? I've been out the game for a while, I think I need a few hints.
I only have cards to build effective decks for: Warrior, Paladin, Mage, Druid.
Keyser Soze
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I could always use a Madam Goya to shuffle a Corrupted Seer back into the deck
To be honest, I am just having fun right now, and not really focused on laddering. I am willing to try any deck I think is fun even if it means never having a winning streak.
The other deck I am playing right now has a Lorewalker Cho in it!
Any type of shaman should do the job, you don't have shaman cards? It's very cheap just common/rare cards.
If not, I guess pirate warrior is faster anyway and punishes greedy decks the most.
those ranks become hell later in the month with all kind of random janky decks and things you don't play around and lose to, you need something like these decks to get out of it quickly.
The Mango Sentinel
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Last month I climbed to rank 5 using mostly C'thun Warrior. Control Warrior was good too but I wasn't winning as consistently with it.
So I think there's definitely room for them. Most people assume you're playing pirates so that can work out in your favor.
pirate warrior, reno mage, shaman, reno lock
pick however you want from that (warrior and mage should be 100% in, the other two is a toss up) that's literally all you need, or want, if you want to win.
This tournament showed just how bad this meta is. Pirate warrior mirror and reno mirror happened all the time and all of them were boring as fuck to watch.The only watches that were fun were the rogue ones and even those were an RNG-fest.
Sjow and Provanck (something like that) got screwed by the shitty format of the tournament too ://
I have legit never played Pirate Warrior in my life. Definitely going with Reno Mage, Renolock and Shaman (probably Midrange variant with Jades) but 4th deck I don't know of. I don't have good experience with these new Rogue decks either.
I think I would probably make some homebrew 4th deck to troll with.
I think I would probably make some homebrew 4th deck to troll with.
I have everything I need to C'thun, is warrior variant better than druid in the current season?
I burnt all my other class cards to build a set of specific decks a while ago, not played enough since to replenish. Like all of them, just the basics left right now and nothing to dust (I know it wasn't the best idea, but I wanted a couple of decks really badly).
I don't have the dust for pirate either... I might consider buying some packs on payday to give myself a boost.
Thanks for the tips, I'll keep them in mind.
The Mango Sentinel
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You'd be surprised at how often Tempo Mage can catch people off guard, you could try that.
Again, a bit lost with all the new cards...
What's a good current tempo mage deck? This is something I could probably build with my current card set.
Pick anyfin paladin. It's good for tournament mode.
The Mango Sentinel
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I haven't seen anyone play C'thun Druid in a long time, so I don't think so......granted no one is playing C'thun Warrior either. I have only come across C'thun Warrior one time in the last 2 months.
I'd post my list if I could, but I'm unable to at the moment. It's pretty standard Tempo Mage deck. And honestly it's just something I play like once every 10 games just for a change of pace. I can burn down Reno decks fairly quick, but aggro decks still destroy me before I can even get anything going unless they make poor trades.
Both of these are fine depending on what decks you're coming across. Mine looks similar, but I run a Sen'jin, sometimes 2.
https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/decks/tempo-mage-standard-meta-snapshot-jan-31-2017
https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/decks/tempo-mage-standard-meta-snapshot-feb-12-2017
Lagspike_exe
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Warrior is consistently the best class for Chtun unless you don't mind spending a lot of dust on Druid Kun Aviana Chtun OTK which will get cycled out when the next expansion hits.
But keep in mind, Chtun is too slow for this meta. I've played it a lot during WToG, but it is very hard to play ranked after Gadgetzan. Even very expensive Chtun Goons decks aren't competative and get smashed by Pirate/Druid decks.
My inspire minion paladin deck was 75% win rate over 25 games when going against mostly greedy reno/control/dragon decks. Then I ranked up into the aggro/shaman tier and was going 50%, so made the deck faster and now at 60% in 50 games. If it weren't for aggro I would not play anything under 3 mana besides knife jugglers.
The Mango Sentinel
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I think it depends on what you tech in and how you mulligan. At first it was just a matter of surviving until turn 5 against pirates, which of course was a poor strategy. After I put in Thalnos and Whirlwind I started doing much much better. The only issue is having a good answer for Flamewreath Faceless and Frothing Berserker. But if you have that, then you're usually good for the rest of the game, at least in my experience.
Like I said, I made it to 5 last month using mostly C'thun Warrior so I definitely think it's a viable deck, it just requires some very critical thinking in the early turns and of course some good luck on the draws.
veloxStrix
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This whole Amnesiac twitter rant business really rustles my jimmies. Not for the reasons it gets most people upset, but because everyone wants to talk about respect. It's really strange how CS:GO, DotA, League, etc have drama that is just as "immature" but there is nowhere near the popular consensus that seems to have solidified around Amnesiac right now. Is it because he was being unsportsmanlike? Or is it because he is a sixteen year old playing professional games? Because it feels like the latter when you have people like Freakazoid mocking people's personal life and country and still having people on his side but you have Amnesiac saying roughly the same thing that was said all throughout the community after the World Tournament and having a vast majority of the community siding against him. People want to talk about respect but can't seem to find any for sixteen year old going through school while managing his own career as a professional.
Just annoys me a bit. I'm 23 and just out of college so it wasn't that long ago that I was a teenager. I don't quite remember turning 18 and magically maturing and becoming a better, smarter person.
Just annoys me a bit. I'm 23 and just out of college so it wasn't that long ago that I was a teenager. I don't quite remember turning 18 and magically maturing and becoming a better, smarter person.
BlackBuzzard
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Amnesiac being salty about Pavel winning EU winters, kind of amazing.
There's one thing to be critical about other's plays but Amnesiacs consistently rants about differences in "percentages" and calls them out as wrong. At that high level, there's going to be a difference in opinion about what the best plays, bans and card choices are. Amnesiac thinks playing Combolock is bad and only bad players do it because they aren't good enough to win the mirror so they lose out on percentages against aggro decks to win the Reno match ups. There might be some truth to that but another player isn't concerned about "skillful match ups" in the mirror, they just want to win no matter how they do it. Amnesiac is another one of the long list of players who talk about how they are the best Handlock player ever when no one cares about that because you don't win with just one deck, you have to win with several decks.
That's just toxic behavior and it further confines the meta to "pick this and do this or you are legitimately bad".
I saw that last grand finals match and Pavel was the better player because he made less mistakes than the other player. Did he play perfect? No but neither did the other guy. That's usually how it goes, no one plays perfect 100% of the time. It's cool that Pavel was able to continue his successes from Blizzcon.
That's just toxic behavior and it further confines the meta to "pick this and do this or you are legitimately bad".
I saw that last grand finals match and Pavel was the better player because he made less mistakes than the other player. Did he play perfect? No but neither did the other guy. That's usually how it goes, no one plays perfect 100% of the time. It's cool that Pavel was able to continue his successes from Blizzcon.
veloxStrix
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As a sidenote, that other guy was Amnesiac and the overwhelmingly popular opinion at the time was the Pavel lucked out completely. There was even a meme about "Pavelling" afterwards. Not to mention he missed lethal at least twice. Not that he didn't deserve to be there - he obviously won the Swiss and got to that spot in the first place - but I don't think many people who remember that particular match would have disagreed with the sentiment that Amnesiac decided to vent today.
Thanks. This has given me some ideas at least.
Currently 4-0 with classic CW. Mage, Priest, Mage, Shaman. No specific themed decks. see how far it takes me before it gets too difficult.
BananasWithGuns
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Just played against a Pirate Warrior running double Brawl.
I don't understand.
I don't understand.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think that is like arguing zoo is never good because of AOE existing.
All these years I've been waiting for exactly this post from you
You know when the veteran posters here are finding less and less motivation to play the game that something is wrong.
Most of us aren't even asking for that much, just tweak some overtuned cards and give us a chance to see where the meta takes it.
BananasWithGuns
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Amnesiac is becoming Reynad 2.0 isn't he?
He'll grow out of it I'm sure, he's still only 16.
He'll grow out of it I'm sure, he's still only 16.
BlackBuzzard
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So who is competing next week? Anyone got a bracket list or something?
Right now I am on hiatus until the new rotation/balance/arena changes. It's clear that big changes are coming so I am just going to chill until they come.
If the new changes/set aren't good enough then it's time to finally click the uninstall button.
pretty much top 64 from this standing will participated
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/esports/standings/winter/americas/#qualifiers-header
soulslayer
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Hope it doesn't have to come to that Dahbomb. This thread wouldn't be as fun without your analysis.
Yeah I was starting to think about getting to work on collecting the opinions. The meta has probably settled enough. That might take a couple weeks, though.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Cool a lot of players i heard of.
Yes, you are super unlucky. Warlock is better anyways. 12-13 win ratio had me confused for a moment.
I just found the perfect clip to start off my "Pros Were Wrong" video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Di5DVzIrUQ#t=50m30s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Di5DVzIrUQ#t=50m30s
Trump: "The [Gadgetzan] metagame is going to slow down. There weren't that many aggressive cards printed. In fact I can't even think of a single aggressive card. The general mechanics of Gadgetzan are slowly buffing your hand, jade golems, and singleton decks. So will that slow down the meta? Of course it will!"
He's not wrong that there weren't that many aggressive cards added to MSG. Taken as a whole you would think the meta would slow down.
They added Patches, STB, Jade Claws and maybe Alley Cat as far as aggressive cards go but those first two cards were enough. Compared to the anti aggro/control cards we got in the expansion:
Kazakus, Raza, Volcanic Potion, Mistress of Mixtures, Second Rate Bruiser, Dirty Rat, Felfire Potion, Abyssal Enforcer, Dragonfire Potion, Jinryu Waterspeaker, Alley Armorsmith etc.
But obviously Patches and STB were so ahead of the curve that they warped the meta around them. History has shown in the game that as you add more and more cards, the decks get faster and more refined.
They added Patches, STB, Jade Claws and maybe Alley Cat as far as aggressive cards go but those first two cards were enough. Compared to the anti aggro/control cards we got in the expansion:
Kazakus, Raza, Volcanic Potion, Mistress of Mixtures, Second Rate Bruiser, Dirty Rat, Felfire Potion, Abyssal Enforcer, Dragonfire Potion, Jinryu Waterspeaker, Alley Armorsmith etc.
But obviously Patches and STB were so ahead of the curve that they warped the meta around them. History has shown in the game that as you add more and more cards, the decks get faster and more refined.
I TOTALLY see it and you should do it. 100K views incoming!
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thepotatoman
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He only gave Small Time Bucceneer 3 stars and said he wasn't sure if it would fit? Lol What?
At least STB got a real high rating on our poll. Also credit to some people calling it in the comments here:
Probably more I missed.
One thing I've noticed is Blizzard always reveals its most cancerous cards in the final dump when there isn't enough time for the point that it's cancerous spreads pre-release.
It almost makes me wonder if STB isn't an accident, because some sort of research shows that cancer like that somehow causes sales increases.
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