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I really enjoy Gwent and duelyst too but there's something hearthstone that makes me go back to it even after all of the RNG bullshit. Hopefully the new expansion breaths life into the game for me.
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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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I really enjoy Gwent and duelyst too but there's something hearthstone that makes me go back to it even after all of the RNG bullshit. Hopefully the new expansion breaths life into the game for me.
Hard to switch to other card game because i invested too much time and money in HS since the game came out of the beta. I even take 2-3 days from work every time an expansion drop (since the first week of an expansion is the best and most fun time to play).
Mean street had the worst starting meta because of pirates, every aggro player built some pirate shit and went ahead with it from the first minute.
Mean street had the worst starting meta because of pirates, every aggro player built some pirate shit and went ahead with it from the first minute.
Gwent is very good and requires lots of interesting and complex decision making. The multi-round set up is a great "innovation" on card games and really sets it apart in my mind. If I had time for a second CCG, it'd be Gwent (I don't even really have time for Hearthstone anyway).
But Gwent also requires that you have a robust card collection, because power cards are everything, and your decklist needs to be fairly precise to work well. I haven't played the beta in a long time though, so maybe that's changed somewhat.
This is where Hearthstone has always succeeded. Thanks in part to RNG, there are always decks that are competitive that don't require a huge investment. Maybe not always top tier, but good enough to get you some wins in the 25-15 ranks. There's always room for replacement as well.
But Gwent also requires that you have a robust card collection, because power cards are everything, and your decklist needs to be fairly precise to work well. I haven't played the beta in a long time though, so maybe that's changed somewhat.
This is where Hearthstone has always succeeded. Thanks in part to RNG, there are always decks that are competitive that don't require a huge investment. Maybe not always top tier, but good enough to get you some wins in the 25-15 ranks. There's always room for replacement as well.
TetraxShards
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I'm strongly considering it. The EU price rises may put me over the edge. 95% of my Hearthstone enjoyment right now is community stuff, streams and videos. Even playing a few games to get to 20 for the cardback (I've been playing since beta) right now is a pain, but I'll still happily put on Kibler after work every day and watch most of Trolden's episodes. It's weird.
I just haven't felt motivated to play games or do much of anything lately really, but it feels worse for Hearthstone. By now I'd have 2-3K gold in the bank for an upcoming expansion, I haven't played at all this month so far.
The sunk cost fallacy is real though. I've probably spent a grand on this game at this stage.
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thepotatoman
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Yeah, that price increase really feels like it hit at very bad time when the game isn't in the best condition.
I'd like to still jump in and play a few games every once in awhile, but am definitely in no mood to grind, and being stuck below rank 20 to play those few games isn't very fun.
I like what I've played of the Gwent beta too, but I think what keeps me coming back to hearthstone is that's where my nearly complete collection of cards is. It's fun to dip my toes into other card games and make what I can out of a limited selection while netdecking isn't an option, but it's hard to commit the time/money to go all in on another game like I did with hearthstone. I almost did it with Elder Scrolls, before bailing out after Prophecy topdecking decided a few too many games for me.
And Gwent does seem especially hard to just fill your deck up with non-synergistic but solid cards to make up for your limited card collection. It seems like it would be 100% impossible to beat a full netdeck with a early F2P collection, though I could be wrong about that.
I'd like to still jump in and play a few games every once in awhile, but am definitely in no mood to grind, and being stuck below rank 20 to play those few games isn't very fun.
I like what I've played of the Gwent beta too, but I think what keeps me coming back to hearthstone is that's where my nearly complete collection of cards is. It's fun to dip my toes into other card games and make what I can out of a limited selection while netdecking isn't an option, but it's hard to commit the time/money to go all in on another game like I did with hearthstone. I almost did it with Elder Scrolls, before bailing out after Prophecy topdecking decided a few too many games for me.
And Gwent does seem especially hard to just fill your deck up with non-synergistic but solid cards to make up for your limited card collection. It seems like it would be 100% impossible to beat a full netdeck with a early F2P collection, though I could be wrong about that.
Brawndo Addict
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To their credit, Gwent is doing a lot to try to mitigate the "I have to restart a card collection" problem. First off, you 'discover' the rare card whenever you open a pack (i.e. you pick from 3 choices); this allows you to avoid duplicates and focus on grabbing cards that synergize with your existing collection. And all three choices correspond to the same rarity too, so if your pack drew a legendary quality card, you get to choose from 3 legendary cards.
And while they still have individual card quality (common, rare, epic, leg), this is balanced by the fact they have card class types too (bronze, silver, gold). So while you can have as many epics or legendaries as you want in hearthstone, you can only have 6 Silver Cards and 4 Gold cards in your Gwent deck, regardless of whether they are epic or legendary.
So you can't just overwhelm your opponent with 12 gold cards; they are inherently limited and are a strategic resource in of themselves. Now yes, it's true that the legendary quality Silver/Gold cards are normally the best, but there are more than enough epic Silver/Gold cards for you to craft a viable deck because a lot of them are tech cards and those are normally epic quality. Assuming equal levels of playtime, you will have a viable collection much faster in Gwent than HS.
And while they still have individual card quality (common, rare, epic, leg), this is balanced by the fact they have card class types too (bronze, silver, gold). So while you can have as many epics or legendaries as you want in hearthstone, you can only have 6 Silver Cards and 4 Gold cards in your Gwent deck, regardless of whether they are epic or legendary.
So you can't just overwhelm your opponent with 12 gold cards; they are inherently limited and are a strategic resource in of themselves. Now yes, it's true that the legendary quality Silver/Gold cards are normally the best, but there are more than enough epic Silver/Gold cards for you to craft a viable deck because a lot of them are tech cards and those are normally epic quality. Assuming equal levels of playtime, you will have a viable collection much faster in Gwent than HS.
Lagspike_exe
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You have to consider that new legendaries are class specific. That's another factor influencing value propositions because you won't be able to combo great neutrals with most classes.
If you're playing 4-5 classes you'll probably need closer to 8 legendaries to play them effectively. That's 12800 dust for legendaries alone.
A lot of it's the presentation. Every part of Hearthstone's audio (especially the voice acting) has been fantastic since the beginning, and combined with a sprinkling of visual effects that match them, the whole game feels tactile and weighty in a way most others can only dream of. It makes games like Shadowverse look like junk, even though that game's isn't that bad in itself (dub aside).
I just play shadowverse as alternative because that game had great bite size arena añd generous giveaway
I play duelyst for awhie but after taking break for some month theré is two expansiòn that I cant catch up wìth..
Very bummer. Hearthstone one legendary limiť is such a great thing that keep cost of most meta deck balooninģ out of reach.
I play duelyst for awhie but after taking break for some month theré is two expansiòn that I cant catch up wìth..
Very bummer. Hearthstone one legendary limiť is such a great thing that keep cost of most meta deck balooninģ out of reach.
lol!
I think for each expansion I will preorder ($50 US). So that's 3 x $50 for me a year at least. That's not bad. If I purchased 1 new game a month I'd be looking at $60 x 12 months = ($720 a year) unless I wait for Steam/Used sales.
It's kind of a bargain really. Plus I find the game very relaxing & fun
Keep in mind these random packs are just awful most of the time. So after like 1 month or so after each expansion I plan to start saving for the next expansion. I've got 30 packs worth of gold saved. Hoping to earn at least another 1000g gold. Want to open at least 90 packs when expansion drops.
luckily many cards will not be in the meta so it wont be too hard to make the decks you want
[edit- There was a reddit post about this, the best case example was TGT where only 7 cards saw play. SEVEN cards. Look at MSoG. How many cards did you need to hit Legend? Just craft Patches LOL!!!!!]
Oh that's pretty cool they limit how many golden cards you can have. I dont play Gwent but I watch Lifecoach sometimes.
yeah I like playing Duelyst in training mode. I dont even bother playing online cause I dont want to bother with random packs. one thing Solforge did right was you could trade/share cards.
(I've already done the random pack thing with HS that's enough!)
Thanks, crafted the ninja murloc and I'm having a blast
Hell yeah talked my buddy into crafting finja and hes having a blast. played for a little while on standard yesterday and climbed several ranks. and to top it all off I am playing a water deck with 2 x shadow sensei to buff finja/shaku/silent knights. Not sure how efficient this deck is for climbing but I've been having a lot of fun. edit- Looking at my stats- my main finja decks are way over 50% WR. But now that I am closer to rank 10 I expect the numbers to fall to a more realistic average. So I won't give the actual WR numbers but its really high right now
Karsticles
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The best time to quit any game is when you aren't having fun anymore.
BananasWithGuns
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Reno Mage dead on board? Top deck Reno with Soulcaster in hand.
Reno Mage dead on board again 4 turns later? Top deck second Reno.
I have absolutely no sympathy for Warlock or Mage with that card rotating out.
Reno Mage dead on board again 4 turns later? Top deck second Reno.
I have absolutely no sympathy for Warlock or Mage with that card rotating out.
SonicXtreme
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i ditched soulcaster in my wild reno mage just because there are so many pirate warriors on ladder, it's more important to me to get ice block out and play all my early game BS to stabilize rather than pray i find reno2 a few turns later. duplicate can pull similar/more effective BS imo even if you don't get reno (sludge, kaz, deathlord, etc) and i feel like bran kaz and hitting nzoth is enough for control matchups, idk, if i hit a more control meta i would def bring it back quick but 30+% pw you have to gear really stupidly
Mobius and pet octopus
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Probably not. You could just make a minion or spell with that text if they wanted it. I think quest as they've described it is something you work towards during each game.
Quests have the advantage of starting in your opening hand, normal cards do not.
LyleLanley
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Why are they waiting so long to announce new cards?
I got 80g, 60g, 50g, 40g at last 4 reroll
BananasWithGuns
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Less days to plan out I guess. 17th is when they're going to start showing them again.
Dr.Horrible
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It's 7:16 am here and I'm done with Hstone for the day. I had a 5 minions and 25 health against a druid with one minion on board and 16 health.
They then proceed to play Aviana followed by that bullshit legendary that refreshes your Mana. Here comes Maly, two faces, and something else followed by a swipe that does 19 damage face and clears my board. His one minion then finishes me off.
/whiny, bitter rant
They then proceed to play Aviana followed by that bullshit legendary that refreshes your Mana. Here comes Maly, two faces, and something else followed by a swipe that does 19 damage face and clears my board. His one minion then finishes me off.
/whiny, bitter rant
bangbang i'm a timpani
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My Discolock is murdering all of the Jade Druids and Water Packs I've been seeing on ladder
BannedEpisode
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Weird month. Hit 12 last two months (not great but I only started playing seriously last fall). First was with aggro Shaman but second was with evolve shaman which is a lot less condemnable.
This month I can't get anything going. Like at all.
This month I can't get anything going. Like at all.
dont get me wrong-- sometimes I do play Pirate Warrior but I have concerns when new expansion drops it will still be dominant. Will suck out the fun with experimenting new decks and stuff if we will just get zerged by Pirates.
so wouldnt it be nice when a new expansion drops it forced people to put at least 10 new expansion cards in their deck? I mean in a special new ranked mode. It would be temporary. This way people are free to experiment and not get our asses kicked by unimaginative decks from previous season
(Anyone watched Batstone when MSoG dropped? I'd love a mode like that)
I remember when MSoG dropped ladder was still overrun with decks from previous season and on top of that people just got ran over by Pirates and crap
so wouldnt it be nice when a new expansion drops it forced people to put at least 10 new expansion cards in their deck? I mean in a special new ranked mode. It would be temporary. This way people are free to experiment and not get our asses kicked by unimaginative decks from previous season
(Anyone watched Batstone when MSoG dropped? I'd love a mode like that)
I remember when MSoG dropped ladder was still overrun with decks from previous season and on top of that people just got ran over by Pirates and crap
Familienoberhauptvogel
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If Blizzard gives us all cards for free sure...
veryslowhand
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I Hope for a some early game anti aggro tools in the new expansion.
All cards free, ouch lol.
Well I guess what I could do is try to organize my own 'Batstone tournament' in my local area. I know a few Hearthstone players. problem is I'm too cheap to put my own money into a reward lol but maybe I can figure out something....
I know plenty of dudes that at least preorder so we should have some cards to duel with.
Well I guess what I could do is try to organize my own 'Batstone tournament' in my local area. I know a few Hearthstone players. problem is I'm too cheap to put my own money into a reward lol but maybe I can figure out something....
I know plenty of dudes that at least preorder so we should have some cards to duel with.
Firebat's format is really nice, but if I don't have all cards it is restrictive for me
I always try to hold my quests until I can make them 50g or higher, this last 5 days I haven't been able to roll or reroll almost none of them at 50 or higher, I need to complete them because I can't hold more than the 3...
I always try to hold my quests until I can make them 50g or higher, this last 5 days I haven't been able to roll or reroll almost none of them at 50 or higher, I need to complete them because I can't hold more than the 3...
FiveSix4Three
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Water Rogue is the only deck I can be bothered to play in standard.
I'm not even excited at the thought of a new expansion. Maybe its time to hang it up.
I'm not even excited at the thought of a new expansion. Maybe its time to hang it up.
One of those times it was an actual bug that Blizzard had to fix IIRC.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Aeons ago Wizards actually had a rule for MTG that decks had to add a certain amount of cards from each set in standard. But that was because their newest set was complete trash and no one wanted to play with it.
Those are all great things Gwent has going for it. What I personally don't like about Gwent is it is very linear. You have a small deck and typically will only draw half your cards. From the cards you draw, you only interact with each one once. Your decision point is in what order to play the card and where. Once it is on the board there is no more decision points for how to use the card. This type of strategy works better in boardgames where both sides have exactly or very similar card sets. Or you have some working knowledge set of what you are up against. I don't think Condotierre had any aspect of collectible card games when Gwent borrowed it's gameplay mechanics.
I like this. players would only have to get 2 packs of the new expansion to have the 10 new cards required. If you preorder then you're set and obviously with more variety.
Well-- if you're still having fun its okay. Not being stoked for the expansion is probably just being cautious.
but if you're burned out I dont blame ya for moving on. Would suck to see less posters around so maybe still drop us a line about your new favorite card game.
(I know I watch streamers play Gwent & Eternal-- even though I do not play them I'm still a fan of a sort)
DyslexicAlucard
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I tried playing Gwent in Witcher 3 and wasn't impressed by it at all. It seemed pretty boring and just not very fun to play. Is the "real" game want different, other than presentation? I put it down pretty quickly, so am I just missing a whole lot?
It's different from the game in Witcher 3. You can't abuse Spies in the actual game as you can in Witcher 3.
Yeah the one inside the game is insanely abusable with spies. The real game sort of starts with the core idea of that game, and then goes off in a lot of different directions. The result is probably a lot more fair than the one inside W3, and also a good deal more complex.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I do find it weird that Gwent is supposes to be a multiplayer game but it's all 1v1 now
Kripparian: Why Is Nobody Playing Zoolock?
Posted just before the nerf went live. Fastforward 2 weeks (Top 30 cards more played post-nerf (relative to pre-nerf)):
1v1 is multiplayer.
Posted just before the nerf went live. Fastforward 2 weeks (Top 30 cards more played post-nerf (relative to pre-nerf)):
1v1 is multiplayer.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You know what I mean. It's played only once in all the books IIRC but by a couple dwarves and Geralt. It's a party game not a duel.
Dominion has a bunch of cards affecting other players, the funny part about dominion is that the best strategy is buy only coins and points.
Yeah I've definitely noticed that Zoo is back in a big way. You actually don't know which deck you're getting when you queue into a warlock now.
BananasWithGuns
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I am so damn close to putting Black Knight in my deck to deal with all these Ancient of Wars.
You already know what's going to happen.
You will face 5 Druids in a row dropping like 6 taunts. You put in Black Knight and you face against Rogues/Warriors all day.
Lone_Prodigy
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Reno comes up in Arena draft.
*checks deck*
*sees no duplicates*
Why not.
*checks deck*
*sees no duplicates*
Why not.
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