-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
- Thread starter ZealousD
- Start date
- Status
toddhunter
Member
What if Druid quest reward is "as you play each minion, adapt and then adapt?"
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
What if druid's quest reward is a minion that gives you 20 mana crystals.
As always we are judging the card with the information we have right now.
If the card gets amazing support, then we will adjust are evaluation accordingly.
veryslowhand
Banned
Maybe the druid quest is something like play X 8mana+ minions.
toddhunter
Member
Quest: Play 5 8mana+ minions
Reward: Go back in time 14 turns to when you already died and get a 12/12 taunt
Still better than the Paladin quest.
The druid died on turn -1?
Yeah exactly how I feel. Coop mode would be great
SonicXtreme
Member
hozen healer is bae
gotta love ppl playing old school mech mage at rank 7, god bless ye
gotta love ppl playing old school mech mage at rank 7, god bless ye
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I like "can't be targetted by" text. I know it's not that good but it's not boring to me at least.
You devolve a 12/12 and it becomes what? A 9 drop with like 10/10 stats? A ysera? Devolve is not really an answer all type of card people pose it as.
You devolve a 12/12 and it becomes what? A 9 drop with like 10/10 stats? A ysera? Devolve is not really an answer all type of card people pose it as.
SonicXtreme
Member
'can't be targeted' isn't boring IMO, it's such a rare tag that is a real pain for some classes to deal with. i like it, interesting to throw in a ramp druid in wild where only a few classes with specific cards could deal with it. probably useless in standard tho so i hear u
Tyrantus may have a simple design but that doesn't mean he's bad. To me he feels a lot like The Ancient One except easier to get. If you're ever in a position where you can play him proactively, he should scare the shit out of your opponent if they don't have the correct answer. And some classes and decks will just be completely incapable of having that answer.
That Legendary is pretty boring but I think it might actually be playable. That is a TON of pressure and tempo that isn't easily removed.
I don't necessarily think it would go in Ramp Druid though. It's a card that you want to play when you are ahead, either on board or in life total. If you are behind, your opponent will just ignore it and kill you. So I think a more aggressive Druid deck will be a better fit for this card. Maybe Beast Druid?
I don't necessarily think it would go in Ramp Druid though. It's a card that you want to play when you are ahead, either on board or in life total. If you are behind, your opponent will just ignore it and kill you. So I think a more aggressive Druid deck will be a better fit for this card. Maybe Beast Druid?
Warlock has Twisting Nether, but that's it. But if you're playing this card in something like a Ramp Druid you can probably force out the Nether with your other threats.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
priest:
silence + shadow word death (the 5 mana silence minion will probably be common)
warlock:
twisting, nothing efficient unless they also run silence which is sometimes common
It's hard to say where warlock goes. Probably zoo so they kill druid before they can play a 10 mana card that doesn't kill their minions the turn it is played. Game is decided by turn 10 more or less, if druid can play it they already won.
mage:
Probably double fireballs face and wins with their board. Hell, even running water elemental into it buys them a turn. By turn 10 tempo mage is either so far ahead on board you can never play it, or druid has won already. Same situation as above. They can also frost nova + doomsayer. Just frost nova alone buys them a whole turn which is a big deal often at that stage of the game.
Then if any of these decks run kazakus, they'll be capable of using polymorph on it.
I think the card is better than it looks, but I don't think it'll be worth running without some new druid card or perhaps the quest making it better.
edit:
Also forgot warlock got AOE corruption.
Elemental lists can run the mini-frost elemental and freeze it for a turn for only 1 mana.
SonicXtreme
Member
it's waaaay better than soggoth.
i like soggoth, but it doesn't do much to healthy minions. this wrecks tf out of them.
i like soggoth, but it doesn't do much to healthy minions. this wrecks tf out of them.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
TFW the next legend you open is the last legend you crafted.
Not too bad.
NERF SHAKU OP MOFO lets do dis
Not too bad.
NERF SHAKU OP MOFO lets do dis
Someone on r/CompetitiveHS ran the numbers on Tortollan Primalist in Mage and the odss for you to get a beneficial effect are surprisingly high. It might actually be a viable card.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/629u5f/an_analysis_of_tortollan_primalist_in_mage/
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/629u5f/an_analysis_of_tortollan_primalist_in_mage/
SonicXtreme
Member
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
The downside of that card is you're paying 8 mana for a 5/4.
So what if you get some card draw. Say you get arcane intellect. Okay, it's a beneficial card and it has no real downside. You just paid 5 mana for a 5/4 and 3 mana for an arcane intellect. That is not a good outcome. That is a bad outcome.
It's better than it looks because once you figure in it's class spells only, but you need the right spell at the right time off discover. It might not be a a terrible rng card, but that doesn't mean it's value is up to par for a 8 drop.
I don't think you'd even run that in reno mage.
So what if you get some card draw. Say you get arcane intellect. Okay, it's a beneficial card and it has no real downside. You just paid 5 mana for a 5/4 and 3 mana for an arcane intellect. That is not a good outcome. That is a bad outcome.
It's better than it looks because once you figure in it's class spells only, but you need the right spell at the right time off discover. It might not be a a terrible rng card, but that doesn't mean it's value is up to par for a 8 drop.
I don't think you'd even run that in reno mage.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's way worse than Soggoth.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
This warrior bolted the moment I played brann + shadowcaster.
https://hsreplay.net/replay/Mopx5J3YpWP6MKXdigMJJn
I don't blame him but... damn, no fun allowed. We're both playing off meta decks, might as well see what happens!
edit:
Also just noticed sleep with the fishes is a strong counter to finja.
https://hsreplay.net/replay/Mopx5J3YpWP6MKXdigMJJn
I don't blame him but... damn, no fun allowed. We're both playing off meta decks, might as well see what happens!
I probably win from that board state 90% of the time
edit:
Also just noticed sleep with the fishes is a strong counter to finja.
Well sure, but you can avoid the correction later by simply being a bit more patient.
BannedEpisode
Member
Tyrantus seems pretty decent to me. Has beast synergy and is elusive. Sure there are specific cards and combos that will deal with him, but I think you can set yourself up for success with it.
Ivan A Nguyen
Member
I've spent a week playing and loving the hell out of my 'Discover' deck. It took me a while to realize that it's real power was that it allowed me to pull of power Rogue combos. I took some time to post it to Hearthpwn with a mini write up. Ultimate Combo Rogue. I did a check on how many decks I could find that were similar and the database returned none.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
It looks very interesting but I've seen decks like that before and I've played decks like it. This type of deck usually runs brann and shadowcaster. I never played it with reno or with this expansion cards though. I think lotus agents is something I need to try in this type of deck.
I feel like you're missing brann and shadowcaster though. Both incredible cards for a shadowstep/battlecry/combo type deck.
It's definitely an interesting deck, I might need to try out a variation of it. I think this list tries to simply do too much though.
Here is an example of a deck I tried last expansion. It's basically a dragon version. http://i.imgur.com/Rb7p6gs.png second list: http://i.imgur.com/xzz8vuw.png (I experimented a lot with this archetype near the end of the last expansion)
This list produced some really insane results because you play brann, discover card/novice engineer, shadowstep and replay it, often shadowstep again, and basically generate so much value your opponent can't overcome it.
I love seeing interesting rogue lists. It inspires me to experiment. I've already been experimenting today: http://i.imgur.com/P17KztM.png
I'm actually 3-1 with this list so far. I've only lost to pirate warrior so far.
Tyrantus must be the most boring design I have seen in several expansions for a legendary, however I don't think it is bad, you need a lot of other option to deal with this if you don't have an specific board clear to deal with it.
a jade druid druid might be able to run this and be fine with all the other threats it can pull
a jade druid druid might be able to run this and be fine with all the other threats it can pull
Ivan A Nguyen
Member
I did experiment with using Brann and shadowcaster. Brann is nice for doubling up on battle cries, but I I didn't have room in my hand. I have used Shadowcaster when I drew it as a discover card, but most cases I needed to cut it to fit in removal. I also ran Patches for a while to throw people off. It worked well with cold blood, but I found the need for removal was too great so I swapped it out with Sergant Sally.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I will miss brann in rogue next expansion. It really creates some crazy power swings. Can play in wild of course, but it won't be the same.
https://hsreplay.net/replay/F5GpKUNumBbpikRT3L9jMk
Was against jade shaman. He started going face ignoring my board. I played brann + ERF heal for 6, evisc, and previously shadowstepped jade spirit. Jade spirit alone got me into near lethal range at 28 damage. So I was 1 or 2 off lethal. He went all face as expected. I top decked shadowcaster and healed myself for 12. Then he of course concedes. Game over.
If you have them, link some of your games? If you want that replay system I am using download hearthstone deck tracker. There is a link to download here https://hsreplay.net/#features
https://hsreplay.net/replay/F5GpKUNumBbpikRT3L9jMk
Was against jade shaman. He started going face ignoring my board. I played brann + ERF heal for 6, evisc, and previously shadowstepped jade spirit. Jade spirit alone got me into near lethal range at 28 damage. So I was 1 or 2 off lethal. He went all face as expected. I top decked shadowcaster and healed myself for 12. Then he of course concedes. Game over.
If you have them, link some of your games? If you want that replay system I am using download hearthstone deck tracker. There is a link to download here https://hsreplay.net/#features
Ivan A Nguyen
Member
I play most of my games on mobile, but I took some time last night to capture some footage of the deck. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/132158562 I was recording late at night so I didn't include any commentary.
followed
followed
Any other GAF streamers I could follow and learn?
Thx
I started a Youtube channel recently that is focused on Hearthstone. I would really appreciate any support! I am in the process of changing careers so things have slowed down but I plan to pick back up soon. Twitch maybe in the future as well.
Check me out: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnF-fX6guyQhkXN_7iH6vxQ
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
This game reminded me of this darkest dungeon quote:
Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.
https://hsreplay.net/replay/Nw3zRwzSJ2gL8aFqrP5RQf
This started a rough game. But towards the end all that mattered was his kazakus potion and it wasn't a polymorph or even a board clear. I think I could have survived a board clear, like I did with twisting, and maybe survived both board clears, but polymorph would have been difficult to overcome.
Probably his biggest mistake was such a low value shadowflame. I guess he thought it was necessary but it was kinda low for versus a jade deck and he knew I was a jade deck at that point.
5-2 so far. Not bad for rank 3-4.
Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.
https://hsreplay.net/replay/Nw3zRwzSJ2gL8aFqrP5RQf
This started a rough game. But towards the end all that mattered was his kazakus potion and it wasn't a polymorph or even a board clear. I think I could have survived a board clear, like I did with twisting, and maybe survived both board clears, but polymorph would have been difficult to overcome.
Probably his biggest mistake was such a low value shadowflame. I guess he thought it was necessary but it was kinda low for versus a jade deck and he knew I was a jade deck at that point.
5-2 so far. Not bad for rank 3-4.
Ivan A Nguyen
Member
I had someone with lethal on board and quit at the very end. His name was Santa Clause.
At the very least, that art's incredible. Would've been nice to see the artist work on a more visually-interesting design, though.
BannedEpisode
Member
I'm going to be really bummed if The big purple dinosaur on the launcher isn't a card. It's extremely visually appealing.
Its really easy to finish, specially since most of the times it will be finished quickly with a Daring reporter on board.
I was thinking the same, I'll be so disappointed if that isn't a card.
Portugeezer
Member
It's a good card IMO, only rogue minion battlecries deal with it efficiently, others rely on RNG or have to over commit. It is slow though at 10 mana but mana isn't a problem if Druid ramps well. Due to its effect it has a better chance of sticking on the board , really good on an empty board.
- Status