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Its' best game in around 20 years is not a MMORPG.
Most other open world games are hot garbage in the "world feels alive" department they tend to be empty and rather spacious with a whole lotta nada to do. Sea of Thieves is empty on the virtue that it relies on other players to give that illusion of the world being alive.So have I.
Zelda Open world feel like Sea of Thieves, they both look amazing, but are rather empty and you don't get that feel of a living breathing open world like in other Open World games
I’m start to think you don’t understand what “empty” actually means and just throw that word at everything you don’t like.No, I'm not. NPC's In Shenmue looked to us umbrellas when it rained and that was 1999, I saw AI enemies fight against each other in Exhumed in 1996
In games like GTA 5 or Fallout 4 I feel the world is living and breathing. Don't get in Zelda BOTW it feels rather more basic and empty IMO a lot like Sea Of Thieves.
So four spinoffs, several of which are actually good games (even if I'm not personally interested in Musou). Spirit Tracks isn't one of them, don't understand why you're including it. It's not one of the greatest Zelda games, but it's no spinoff in any way.
What the hell is "season of time"?Everyone who played the phantom hour glass stand up.
Oh... So barely anyone played that? Weird. Well surely yall rushed out back in the day to play season of time or link between worlds.
No? @paprikastaude knows what's up too
I find Sea of Thieves and Zelda BOTW to be much the same myself. I haven't played or bought Tears, so can't comment and the main reason I couldn't get into Skyward was because of the bullsh8t Wii controls I loved Wind Waker thoughMost other open world games are hot garbage in the "world feels alive" department they tend to be empty and rather spacious with a whole lotta nada to do. Sea of Thieves is empty on the virtue that it relies on other players to give that illusion of the world being alive.
Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom has a lot of locales and interactions across the game world and in TotK's case I'd say the most empty part of the game is probably the Sky Islands. Both Hyrule and the Chasm have a lot of things going on.
If you want a lifeless open world game in the Zelda series I give you the great Skyward Sword. Exploring the Sky was painful due to how barren it actually was. Which was interesting since Wind Waker was just as lifeless but felt so alive traversing the Great Sea. Plus it was worth taking the 4 hours required to chart out the world map.
Games like Xenoblade X, BotW/TotK, Witcher 3, Horizon, CP2077 do Open World right or rather I should say Sandbox.
I think ToTK is probably one of the best Sandbox games out there JUST for being pretty much seamless and no load times across the Sky Islands, Hyrule or the expansive Chasm. Only load times I've encountered is cinematics or going into the shrines which are instanced zones or rooms.
And it's rather curious that the Chasm IMO is a very eerie dead place but there is a whole lot of life down there too with all the super strong monsters that can come out of nowhere. Really happy the Master Sword glows when Gloom enemies are near. It does wonders for my anxiety since down there you don't want to be hit by anything or get one shot by a "world boss".
I say it because that's how I feel about the world, maybe since you're such a nice person you should accept people have different views and opinions.I’m start to think you don’t understand what “empty” actually means and just throw that word at everything you don’t like.
Because your definition of "empty" doesn't make any sense. You dont like how it design it open world that fine but what the hell "empty" means in this context?I say it because that's how I feel about the world, maybe since you're such a nice person you should accept people have different views and opinions.
I think it might be that big sandbox games just don't appeal to you or are not engaging enough. I wouldn't say these games are empty though.I say it because that's how I feel about the world
Based on your comments I get the feeling you haven't actually played BOTW/TOTKNo, I'm not. NPC's In Shenmue looked to us umbrellas when it rained and that was 1999, I saw AI enemies fight against each other in Exhumed in 1996
In games like GTA 5 or Fallout 4 I feel the world is living and breathing. Don't get in Zelda BOTW it feels rather more basic and empty IMO a lot like Sea Of Thieves.
Phantom Hourglass (DS) outsold A Link to the Past (SNES).Everyone who played the phantom hour glass stand up.
Oh... So barely anyone played that? Weird. Well surely yall rushed out back in the day to play season of time or link between worlds.
No? @paprikastaude knows what's up too
No, I'm not. NPC's In Shenmue looked to us umbrellas when it rained and that was 1999, I saw AI enemies fight against each other in Exhumed in 1996
In games like GTA 5 or Fallout 4 I feel the world is living and breathing. Don't get in Zelda BOTW it feels rather more basic and empty IMO a lot like Sea Of Thieves.
Based on your comments I get the feeling you haven't actually played BOTW/TOTK
There are more things going on and you get the sense in the likes of GTA V that the world is carrying on about its business, even when you leave a said aera.What are some things that GTA5 is doing that Zelda isn't which make it feel less empty? Is it just that they have a higher number of random NPC walking about?
There are more things going on and you get the sense in the likes of GTA V that the world is carrying on about its business, even when you leave a said aera.
I got none of that in Zelda BOTW and it felt like Sea of Thieves.
Just accept it.
I played 12 hours of the game and was totally bored. The game isn't doing anything that hasn't been done decades ago .Then you either paid very little attention or barely touched the game at all. Animals Graze, if it rains, they move into sheltered areas. If there is lightning coming, they move out of the way. People also react to what you do in a natural and understandable way.
BotW isn't doing much different from these other games - nor did it do it any better. But to claim it is the same as Sea of Thieves is showing your own arse.
I played 12 hours of the game and was totally bored. The game isn't doing anything that hasn't been done decades ago .
They just pursued the growth in mobile as we now see their mobile segment is as large as MMO and what we consider games combined.Instead Final Fantasy failed to pursue a path of growth.
I think 10 hours is more than enough time in any game to know if it's for you. I do love it when it comes to a Nintendo game you'll always asked have you played it and for how long ... That's goes out the window when Nintendo fans look to find fault with non Nintendo gamesSo you barely played it and conitnue to push a strawman argument?
Do better.
Again there is nothing wrong if the game is not for you but claiming the world is "empty" without barely playing the game or exploring is complete BS.I think 10 hours is more than enough time in any game to know if it's for you.
I think 10 hours is more than enough time in any game to know if it's for you. I do love it when it comes to a Nintendo game you'll always asked have you played it and for how long ... That's goes out the window when Nintendo fans look to find fault with non Nintendo games
Okay, so the criticism for TOTK is literally that the world has TOO MUCH going on to the point it detracts from the central quest (you don’t have to believe me, you can read the EG review).I've never bought Zedla TOTK. I did buy BOTW.
No , my point is I find the world just like Sea Of Thieves. Lovely to look at , but rather empty and dull. Both games not for meOkay, so the criticism for TOTK is literally that the world has TOO MUCH going on to the point it detracts from the central quest (you don’t have to believe me, you can read the EG review).
For BOTW I can sort of understand the critique (I don’t agree but I at least get where you’re coming from); for TOTK that doesn’t apply, it’s nonsense to suggest it does.
Yeah, like I saw people saying you needed to play 10 plus of Gotham Knights... So many we smashing the game despite never playing itWhen it comes to Nintendo? No. When it comes to *any* game when someone makes shit up.
It is very clear you just want to shit on Ninty though with this pathetic persecution complex of yours.
10 hours is more than enough . I never seen people saying one needs to play 10 hours of Sonic Frontiers or Gotham Knights when people were knocking them .Again there is nothing wrong if the game is not for you but claiming the world is "empty" without barely playing the game or exploring is complete BS.
For huge game like BotW/TotK 10 hours is nothing, you barley explored and yet you claim the world is “empty” .10 hours is more than enough . I never seen people saying one needs to play 10 hours of Sonic Frontiers or Gotham Knights when people were knocking them .
I get one can't knock a Nintendo game ...
Mate I am telling you, the criticism you have does not apply for the game you say you have not played stop arguing after that lol, you literally haven’t played TOTK (and I even accepted your criticism for BOTW, but it does not apply for TOTK)No , my point is I find the world just like Sea Of Thieves. Lovely to look at , but rather empty and dull. Both games not for me
Of course based on this I’m not sure you’re looking for an actual discussion as much as you want to have a persecution complex about evil Nintendo and their evil fans (or whatever)I get one can't knock a Nintendo game ...
Yeah, like I saw people saying you needed to play 10 plus of Gotham Knights... So many we smashing the game despite never playing it
I'll remember that next time you knock a game .For huge game like BotW/TotK 10 hours is nothing, you barley explored and yet you claim the world is “empty” .
you can’t even tell how is “empty” despite so many animals, NPC and enemies around and interacting with each other. Again “empty” HOW?
unlike you I put 100+ hours in both BotW and TotK and you are dead wrong. These games faaaaaaar from being empty.
I'll remember that next time you knock a game .
Except 90% of buildings (and there are hundreds and hundreds of them) in GTAV are empty shells you can't go into and explore. There is nothing in BOTW's map that is just a facade with nothing meaningful within it.There are more things going on and you get the sense in the likes of GTA V that the world is carrying on about its business, even when you leave a said aera.
I got none of that in Zelda BOTW and it felt like Sea of Thieves.
Just accept it.
And If I said that about GTA V. I'm sure I'll be asked 'Have you played it' ' you've only just touched on it'Except 90% of buildings (and there are hundreds and hundreds of them) in GTAV are empty shells you can't go into and explore. There is nothing in BOTW's map that is just a facade with nothing meaningful within it.
I think what you mean is that the level of npc interactions in GTAV is much denser which is right ....it's so good it gives you the illusion that the world is everywhere bustling and alive. But if you look at it objectively,.all those empty shell buildings make for a very empty world indeed and much more so than BOTW.
You just don't really notice it because you and the NPCs are kept mostly to roads.
Maybe you're just looking for stuff that the game don't have the way you want it? I don't consider BOTW empty nor boring because there are many stuff happening at every moment, but seems like those things don't align with some people's expectations of "events", they just don't "get" what's going on in the game that others like me and Danjin44 can see and enjoy.10 hours is more than enough . I never seen people saying one needs to play 10 hours of Sonic Frontiers or Gotham Knights when people were knocking them .
I get one can't knock a Nintendo game ...
Maybe you're just looking for stuff that the game don't have the way you want it? I don't consider BOTW empty nor boring because there are many stuff happening at every moment, but seems like those things don't align with some people's expectations of "events", they just don't "get" what's going on in the game that others like me and Danjin44 can see and enjoy.
Doesn't make the game empty though, it's just different expectations of what each person want from the game.
Ya, like Final Fantasy, that game has an 81 on MC which is unbelievable sincd it was literally unfinished. No point trusting critic reviews for FFI enjoyed Final Fantasy 15 over Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword. Critic reviews are meaningless when it comes to certain IP.
I really laugh when people say those things. It could also be said critics rate certain games lower do to that type of game.Ya, like Final Fantasy, that game has an 81 on MC which is unbelievable sincd it was literally unfinished. No point trusting critic reviews for FF
I really laugh when people say those things. It could also be said critics rate certain games lower do to that type of game.
It’s best to weigh what the paise are criticism are and decide if they apply to your taste.