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[Pelta88]

It's not difficult. Create great games. Everything else is secondary...

 

[Topher]

If Microsoft says "we're not leaving the console space" and "Bethesda and Activision games will release on other hardware while Microsoft and Xbox Studios games remain timed exclusive on console" this will be an interesting week in hindsight.

We already know Microsoft is not leaving the console space. If Microsoft commits all of Bethesda and Activision games to other hardware then that isn't much of a lifeline for Xbox consoles though. That is damn near letting Xbox console simply die on the vine.

 

[00_Zer0]

 

[BlackTron]

Yeah that was always the Nintendo fanboys’ last line of defense. Nobody was buying their console and they were bleeding money, but hey, they had money in the bank! Wowee.

Was and still is. Even if Switch 2 was a complete disaster they can tank the whole gen, learn lessons and then come back out of nowhere to ruin everyones day again.

They are not like Sega who didn't have money and are in serious financial trouble if they botch a system. Like how Sony had to course-correct and even sell property to regain solvency after $599 PS3. Basically the other players can slug it out, rise and fall all they want while N just does their thing. A failed system is just a lesson for them, nothing more.

That said they weren't excessively bleeding money either. Wii U was profitable. Same deal with Gamecube -it made money even if it didn't beat PS. IIRC they did post a loss because they put a lot of R&D into Switch and then fronted the money to make them all before launch. They also got their investment into the games back many times over on Switch as well. Their losses during the transition from U to Switch is a pittance compared to their war chest. Arguably, it's this massive war chest that gives them the cushion to be so experimental with their systems, and in turn, to be so successful. Stinkers are part of the equation.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I can remember the Wii U.

The 3DS still sold 75 million.

How are those PSVR 2 sales coming along? Three figures yet? And any news on a native Sony handheld? Or have they been beaten out of that market?

Oh yeah that was the other line of defense “lol well the Vita also flopped and Sony had to sell their headquarters!!!”

I don’t give a shit about Sony. I like Nintendo and I hope they succeed (hell I bought Wii U and Switch day 1 and will do the same with Switch 2 or whatever it’s called). All I’m saying is don’t get cocky and don’t assume that their success is guaranteed, like it’s some law of the universe that when Nintendo releases their big hitters, the system will inevitably sell like crazy.

 

[Del_X]

We already know Microsoft is not leaving the console space. If Microsoft commits all of Bethesda and Activision games to other hardware then that isn't much of a lifeline for Xbox consoles though. That is damn near letting Xbox console simply die on the vine.

Maybe - they do have a bunch of stuff in development (hell) outside of those studios.

 

[Ogbert]

Oh yeah that was the other line of defense “lol well the Vita also flopped and Sony had to sell their headquarters!!!”

I don’t give a shit about Sony. I like Nintendo and I hope they succeed (hell I bought Wii U and Switch day 1 and will do the same with Switch 2 or whatever it’s called). All I’m saying is don’t get cocky and don’t assume that their success is guaranteed, like it’s some law of the universe that when Nintendo releases their big hitters, the system will inevitably sell like crazy.

Fair enough.

I simply find that round here, Nintendo’s success is always qualified and Microsoft’s failures celebrated.

To your last point, I think Nintendo is the only one of the major manufacturers/publishers that has IP that is almost untouchable. Mario, in particular. It doesn’t protect Nintendo against bumps, but it does protect them against failure.

 

[Ogbert]

Also, as an aside, the Wii U had some absolutely killer games.

They just made it sound like a sanitary product.

 

[SteadyEvo]

Talent is developed over time, not bought, earned. Talking to you MS.

And there’s nothing surprising about it. They consistently put out quality games.

 

[IDKFA]

These threads are getting out of control. While I do believe a bunch of stuff is going down next week, maybe we should just wait till then.....

This

People are acting like Microsoft are leaving the console business. That's not going to happen.

It'll just be a few games on Playstation and Switch. No big deal.

Next week a lot of crow is going to be eaten.

 

[LordOcidax]

Xbox is out? When that happened?

 

[Shakka43]

Can't we wait a little longer before these speech acceptances of Xbox going out?

 

[Topher]

Maybe - they do have a bunch of stuff in development (hell) outside of those studios.

Sure......but is everything that was being developed for Xbox pre-Bethesda enough? That's ultimately the question. I don't know the answer myself.

 

[Skelterz]

Nintendo are to video games what Disney is to cinema, The reason my son loves Nintendo is because i did the cycle continues and it’s all built upon the IP the games.

 

[MAtgS]

Nintendo is just the passive passenger there though

Each time it's Sony that is forcing competitors to bow and retire

XBox's downfall began with the Kinect which was them trying to compete with Wii.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Damn looking into it the Genesis/Mega Drive seem to have had 65% Market share in the US and Europe, damn I only knew 2 guys who had one, man I guess I played myself.

I guess cause they were so brief and never had any real success before or after market share wise they just kinda faded from memory

 

[Shifty1897]

If you lived in Europe I could maybe understand thinking Nintendo would lose to Sega back in the day, but how could you ever believe that in the US or Japan?

 

[XXL]

I'm not surprised at all.

They are consistent and put out great software in their own lane.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

You’re saying “refuse to die” and “they’re like a cockroach” as if they’re just about hanging on.

They’re killing it bro, it’s a two horse race at this point.

 

[Banjo64]

Lick granddaddy’s shoe boi

 

[DonF]

SOFTWARE IS IMPORTANT. It hurst my brain that CEO earning lots of money can't make that simple connection.

Nintendo, almost non existent online infrastructure, 3rd generation with crappy hardware, doing their own thing, almost no focus on GaaS and subscriptions, awfully japanese, console OS is barebones as fuck... trucking along just fine.

Nintendo almost NEVER chases trends. And look at them, doing fine.

Also, name of the console is important, Wii u was trash.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Rumors doesn’t mean Microsoft is doing a streaming idea, Xbox will be okay there’s an argument that the series x is built to last ten years they could pull the carpet out on Xbox game pass which is what I would recommend because with Xbox live they were on top of the world.

 

[Hudo]

Yeah that was always the Nintendo fanboys’ last line of defense. Nobody was buying their console and they were bleeding money, but hey, they had money in the bank! Wowee.

I mean, they're still alive and lead in total sales this gen. So clearly, their strategy is working.

 

[TheKratos]

Maybe the 3Tr dollar company has bigger fish to fry. They're 3Tr for a reason.

 

[Danjin44]

These threads are getting out of control. While I do believe a bunch of stuff is going down next week, maybe we should just wait till then.....

NO! Everyone needs overreact now!

now your turn…..overreact!

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

If Microsoft says "we're not leaving the console space" and "Bethesda and Activision games will release on other hardware while Microsoft and Xbox Studios games remain timed exclusive on console" this will be an interesting week in hindsight.

If they say that, it'll be an incredibly ambivalent message, and will be received as such. Speculation will just continue.

 

[nial]

Except in Japan, where Nintendo have teabagged Sony into submission.

Remaining highly competitive is not the same as forcing the other to retire.

 

[Fake]

I can't see Microsoft as a Nintendo competitor when even Nintendo execs are still laughting at that stupid 'buy Nintendo' deal.

 

[diffusionx]

This

People are acting like Microsoft are leaving the console business. That's not going to happen.

It'll just be a few games on Playstation and Switch. No big deal.

Next week a lot of crow is going to be eaten.

Lol it's a huge deal

 

[IAmRei]

Nintendo is just the passive passenger there though

Each time it's Sony that is forcing competitors to bow and retire

And get routed in portable field, sony is also twice forced to bow and retire as well

 

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Bruh Nintendo will outlast anyone and everyone when it's all said and done. 100 years from now Playstation may or may not be around idk, but I do know Nintendo will still be there with Mario, Zelda, Kirby, etc.

 

[IDKFA]

Lol it's a huge deal

We'll see next week how big of a deal it is.

 

[AngelMuffin]

Ultimately, it’s the games that matter & Nintendo is the best in the business & has been since day 1.

 

[MisterXDTV]

And get routed in portable field, sony is also twice forced to bow and retire as well

Actually Sony made Nintendo kill their home consoles....

They used to sell 2 separate consoles, now it's combined in one....

A portable with an HDMI Out....

They had already killed the premium home console with the GameCube in the early 2000s, and then the Wii U fiasco ten years later

 

[SHA]

Gabe Newell is actually learning from Nintendo, you don't need grass shaped beard in Mario, games aren't realistic, it kills the fun, and other smoking weed stuff that doesn't take itself seriously.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

nintendo gonna outlast my old mercedes diesel