Wasnt it also based on a hardware build from a nintendo/namco/sega collaboration?
I cant get over metroid prime being 60 fps
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Wasnt it also based on a hardware build from a nintendo/namco/sega collaboration?
lightchris
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From a technical standpoint Metroid Prime isn't one of the most advanced Gamecube games when you don't factor in the framerate, not even at the time it was released. Rogue Leader or Starfox Adventures did more stuff (like self shadowing, some basic normal mapping, fur shader) but in turn suffered from frame rate drops. So I don't think it's something exceptional that elevates MP over all other games.
Don't get me wrong, things like the visor effects are really neat details, but they're not computationally intensive. Just shows the developers attention to detail.
Don't get me wrong, things like the visor effects are really neat details, but they're not computationally intensive. Just shows the developers attention to detail.
yeah that 60fps really messes with the aesthetic of the game
Weltall Zero
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I got you the first time, but even this is probably not clear enough for some.
See?
Also, you're technically at zero distance from boobs the entire game, so it has more boobs per second than any game where the main character is male. 
KnightHart
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The excuse from the Order devs is such fucking bullshit. I definitely don't get as hyped for Nintendo games as much now a days, but I respect their general development philosophy of "Gameplay first." I'm pretty sure Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country Freeze and of course the latest Mario Kart all do 60FPS. Plus I can't even imagine playing something like F-Zero at anything that isn't 60FPS.
Treechopper
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I think you're confusing it with Metroid Prime 3. That game actually got me killed a few times because it took so long for some doors to open
Just finished MP again yesterday and I was being chased by the Fission Metroid in the last room before Prime. Shot the door and...it loaded instantly which allowed me to just run to the next room and not get hit. First time the door had instantly loaded for me.
But yeah, there's some obvious compromises looking back. Contained rooms, few enemies, slow turning radius
Play the game in Dolphin with the mouse free look on!
MisterHero
Super Member
The comic book thing was in the SNES game. The thing it emphasized in X was the feeling that F-Zero was a dangerous underground sport.
Wrong. Metroid Prime and Splinter Cell 1 were released around the same time, and fought each other for graphics awards. Not to mention Game of the Year for that year.lightchris said:
While it's probably fair to say that GC couldn't reproduce Xbox's Splinter Cell 100%, Retro's artists still came across with a beautiful game.
And let's not forget Capcom and RE4. Or even REmake/RE0!
Yes. Triforce.
Let's be clear here, most games that are doing 60 fps on the new consoles really DO hold 60 fps the vast majority of the time.
There really aren't that many "targeting" 60 fps titles outside of games like Killzone, Titanfall and Tomb Raider.
Also, the type of game in question makes a big difference. Hitting a constant 60 fps in a large scaler multiplayer game is exceedingly difficult, for instance.
foxuzamaki
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i wonder if they have kept the 60 fps if miyamoto wasent overseeing the project.
Q
qizah
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It's called Nintendo.
Hence high quality shit, with little compromise.
Hence high quality shit, with little compromise.
Leave it to Nintendo to get the best out of their own machine.
F-Zero GX is also very impressive on GC and had a butter smooth 60fps framerate
I just want a F-Zero GX HD remaster for the Wii U now.
TheSpaceBetween
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I have played the shit out of all of Retro's games, and I can't remember a single instance of a noticeable framerate drop. 60FPS with their art is just insane.
Trigonometrize.
Member
It still makes me upset that the moment Nintendo steps off the bandwagon for graphical fidelity and power in their consoles they sell 110 million units. Sure, you can still makes good looking games, but Mario Galaxy would've looked amazing on a GC-tier 7th gen system.
oh for sure
I'm more making a point that when Nintendo says or shows something, that's what it is
and maybe that example wasn't the best. in my head I remembered the new infamous being touted as "targeting 60fps" and in reality it's more in the 30-40 range. not sure if I imagined that or not..
edit: looks like I imagined it. nothing to see here.
As I recall, levels in the first two games were heavily compartmentalized, with doors between compartments taking a while to open while the next compartment loads. They also limited the number of high poly enemies on screen, There weren't really big expansive outdoor sequences with 8-12 enemies on screen like we frequently saw in games such as Halo.
MP1 and 2 are great games but I don't think it's much of a mystery how it achieved 60fps with those gorgeous visuals. I can't comment on MP3 as I've never played it.
MP1 and 2 are great games but I don't think it's much of a mystery how it achieved 60fps with those gorgeous visuals. I can't comment on MP3 as I've never played it.
Netherscourge
Banned
Very short draw distance helps.
I remember there was an interview with some of the Retro folks talking about the way they approached each MP game's in-game art.
MP1 was all about geometry. They were always trying to make actual geometry rather than relying on textures.
MP2 I can't remember specifically, but I think it was about lighting.
MP3 they really tried to go crazy with texture resolution due to the Wii's increased memory.
Wish I could find that interview...
MP1 was all about geometry. They were always trying to make actual geometry rather than relying on textures.
MP2 I can't remember specifically, but I think it was about lighting.
MP3 they really tried to go crazy with texture resolution due to the Wii's increased memory.
Wish I could find that interview...
I don't see why it so hard to believe. 60fps is not hard to achieve, it is just that most game devs are not willing to make any compromise in graphical fidelity. If you never saw what the game could look like at 30fps with higher fidielity but only saw the 60fps version, chances are you would be happy with what you got anyway
Is that why some of those stupid doors didn't open sometimes and it seemed like you had to wiggle around before they registered? If so, that is pretty ingenious, introducing a minor annoyance to allow fantastic graphics and 60 FPS, and an annoyance the player would likely blame on themselves at that.
Of course, it could just be that the doors actually did suck. Literally my only negative about the fantastic prime game was those wonky doors.
anotherVegan
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This. F-Zero GX remains one of my favorite racing games of all time. Its framerate is so smooth.
Gamecube was such a good system. Some elements of the Rogue Squadron games still amaze, so many ships on screen, large scale space battles, all done pretty well.
I got you the first time, but even this is probably not clear enough for some.
See?
Also, you're technically at zero distance from boobs the entire game, so it has more boobs per second than any game where the main character is male.
but what's the point then????????
Elor_Nocudee
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yeah i never did finish the higher difficulties, gotta go back to it someday (I'm glad i never sell older consoles, still get to enjoy this).
Anyway the first Prime is such a stunning game, even nowadays.
This guy knows what's up!
TheSpaceBetween
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What the hell are some of you talking about? The doors open instantaneously in the first two MP games, at least on the GC versions.
shadowsdarknes
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When did they claim they were targeting 60 fps?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
shadowsdarknes
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No they really don't. Many does often took a few seconds to load. Not instantaneous.
lightchris
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Wrong? It's just my opinion, and I even explained it a little. Plus I played all the mentioned games recently.
asking this question makes me lean towards the "I imagined it" possibility haha
so please excuse my recent posts
SeventhSon
Member
The 60fps felt great when Metroid turned into a ball, he could move blazingly fast with no slowdown.
TheSpaceBetween
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Not in my experience. And I have played the shit out of them. The next room starts to load as you approach the door... There is an interview about it somewhere. There are maybe three doors in the whole damn game that take more than two seconds to load.
shadowsdarknes
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If you don't care about third party games(the vast majority of titles the industry pumps out), then sure.
Whoa, this looks amazingly good. Why did I never play it?Leave it to Nintendo to get the best out of their own machine.
F-Zero GX is also very impressive on GC and had a butter smooth 60fps framerate
revolverjgw
Member
Leave it to Nintendo to get the best out of their own machine.
F-Zero GX is also very impressive on GC and had a butter smooth 60fps framerate
Sega shared that Blast Processing tech with Retro
Or, y'know, a new F-ZERO game would be cool... Stop rehashing the old classics, make some newer groundbreaking games again Nintendo.
shadowsdarknes
Member
Your point remains correct if you use Killzone SF Multiplayer, though.
shadowsdarknes
Member
Whoa really?! Best racing game of that generation. At least for single player that is.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Blast processing.
Woah, I had no idea such a thing was possible on Dolphin. Is there a video illustrating this somewhere?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
but I heard 60fps breaks the immersion
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
this is a bit revisionist, the gamecube had alot of 3rd party games, and alot of time(but not all the time) if the game was being ported to PS2 and xbox, it was being ported to GCN aswell.