ChorizoPicozo
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i think you felt for his 4D chess move. The OP thinks he is too smart. The truth of the matter is that his post is a crude attempt to make the opposite point.
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I don’t like female protagonists.
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PeteBull
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OP, u arent alone, i prefer to play as male protagonist too(altho i enjoyed playing many games with female protagonists, like tomb raider, nier, resident evil, dino crisis, gravity rush, diablo 1&2, d2r, path of exile etc), and same in character creator, always buff dude 
Feels pretty untolerant to see all those supposedly pro diversity, tolerance and openess users laughing at u or calling u names etc just coz of ur preference to play as ur own sex
Guess diversity is only ok if its diversity of sex and skin colour, godforbid diversity of ideas and thoughts
Just to see how crazy it looks, imagine woman made a topic about not liking to play as male and prefering to play as a female, no1 would bat an eye and if they said anything against it, it would be considered sexist, mysogonist, racist and imediatelly called out
Guess males and females arent equal in modern society after all
Feels pretty untolerant to see all those supposedly pro diversity, tolerance and openess users laughing at u or calling u names etc just coz of ur preference to play as ur own sex
Guess diversity is only ok if its diversity of sex and skin colour, godforbid diversity of ideas and thoughts
Just to see how crazy it looks, imagine woman made a topic about not liking to play as male and prefering to play as a female, no1 would bat an eye and if they said anything against it, it would be considered sexist, mysogonist, racist and imediatelly called out
Guess males and females arent equal in modern society after all
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clarky
Gold Member
Me and the Mrs have actually been discussing this drunk for the last half hour. And I salute you for being honest.
I take back anything i've posted previous and this is one of the posts of the year.
Guardian Monkey
Member
The OPs opinion that he likes to only like to play games with penises. Who are we to stop him?
Red Scarlet
Member
I've never cared who I'm playing as. One of the first games I ever really gotten into, my character looked like this:
I would've quit gaming 35+ years ago if I had to relate to that.
I would've quit gaming 35+ years ago if I had to relate to that.
Tams
Member
It's not surprising why though. I'd say perhaps mostly in the Anglosphere (as therr is where most extremely popular media still is) there has been a severe move to the 'woke' side for several years. We're now seeing the reaction against that manifest itself.
In gaming for example: Hogwarts Legacy doing incredibly well, Horizon not doing as well as expected, Forspoken doing badly, Star Wars Outlaws doing badly, and then we have the epitamy of it all: Concord.
So yeah, people who were otherwise keeping quiet, partly in fear, are starting to speak out.
Will many of those people end up overreacting? Naturally. But what do you expect when the 'wokeness' was shived down people's throats. Extreme actions beget extreme responses.
I think 'empathy' is a term that is bandied around far too readily. It's very difficult to feel empathy for something you have no experienced in some capacity and especially so for something you never will have the capability to experience.
'Sympathy' or 'compassion' would be better.
DrFigs
Member
what were your respective positions?
Tams
Member
Big spoon and little spoon.
Mister Wolf
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Assassin's Creed Odyssey Director Reveals How Many Players Picked Alexios
Assassin's Creed Odyssey director Scott Phillips reveals how many players of the action RPG chose the protagonist Alexios and how many chose the protagonist Kassandra.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Honestly surprised it's even 1/3 for Kassandra. I figured it'd be like 80-20 in favor of Alexios.Assassin's Creed Odyssey Director Reveals How Many Players Picked Alexios
Assassin's Creed Odyssey director Scott Phillips reveals how many players of the action RPG chose the protagonist Alexios and how many chose the protagonist Kassandra.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
man these boards are just full on over the top pure cringe as of late.
Tams
Member
Well, sometimes a good bit of Greek female arse can't go amiss.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
A lot of men will experience a lot of the stuff women do. We're both at the end of the day humans. Empathy will always be applicable to have so long as you're a human. A man and a woman being hurt, betrayed, or killed will still elicit the same response of "that's bad".
Now maybe this argument would relate for idk, giving birth or having a period or something. But 99% of video game women don't go through that because women don't like those experiences either or having to write about them.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
The fun fact is that almost all if not all of those characters don't even have a penis.
modeled in the char
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Now you're telling me that men don't have penises in modern games?! MORE WOKE AGENDA!!
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Kacho
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The market agrees with you which is why a movie like Furiosa bombed. People want Mad Max, not 90lb girl boss. Same is true with games.
Unfortunately the enthusiast gaming crowd is largely made up of effeminate dudes who say retarded things like “hur hur, I’d rather look at a females butt for 40 hours.” Like, if you’re staring at your video game characters butt for 40 hours you’re a massive creep. Just sayin’.
Unfortunately the enthusiast gaming crowd is largely made up of effeminate dudes who say retarded things like “hur hur, I’d rather look at a females butt for 40 hours.” Like, if you’re staring at your video game characters butt for 40 hours you’re a massive creep. Just sayin’.
Mister Wolf
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Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
I just don’t find them relatable. I don’t understand why this is considered a blasphemous opinion. The same people lambasting me for holding it, are the ones pushing for female protagonists on the basis of inclusivity.
Okay, so having a male protagonist excludes women and we should have female protagonists instead… well, why does this logic not work in reverse? Why can’t women just accept male protagonists the way I have to for female? How do female protagonists not exclude me using the same logic?
There are some exceptions where I’m okay with it, such as Lara Croft or Jill Valentine.. I still prefer playing as Nathan Drake or Leon, but I can accept those others.
What I can’t accept though is Ghost of Yotei, Chloe/Nadine, Assassin’s Creed Kassandra, Ellie, Kait in Gears of War, etc.
The fact is, the majority of men don’t want to play as women, and the only way they accept it is if it’s a highly attractive woman whose ass they can stare at. That’s reality. Even then, I’m not a slave to sex, and I’d prefer playing as a cool dude than a hot female if given the choice.
A well written female character will have female issues. Why would I as a man enjoy experiencing that? I don’t. At all. And if you’re going to write in male issues for her, then the game falls apart entirely because women aren’t men and they’ll never be men.
I know there will be an argument that games already require a significant degree of suspension of belief. However, those people are missing the point. Good fantasy is an extrapolation of observable innate characteristics, not a turning of reality upside down.
Example: Special Forces commando comes home and wages a one man war against the mob to save his town. Unrealistic but enjoyable. Woman picks up a sword and slays every man in sight… men are cowards and relying on her to save everybody… stupid.
EDIT: Special thank you toclarky for the gold! You’re a real one, brother.
A girl of high value.
DoubleClutch
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Human nature.......
Indeed, this is the case everywhere.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
a preference is one thing- you've played a lot of games.
this guy outright dislikes female protagonists and thinks that many fun games would be unfun if a simple gender swap were made. Pretty sure he couldn't stand to touch any of the games you listed.
on GAF? really?Just to see how crazy it looks, imagine woman made a topic about not liking to play as male and prefering to play as a female, no1 would bat an eye and if they said anything against it, it would be considered sexist, mysogonist, racist and imediatelly called out
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
The whole push to have female protagonists in freaking everything was under the premise that it would expand the audience and make it appeal more to women.
Maybe you should accuse them of having no imagination + an empathy deficit for not wanting to play as men.
Mister Wolf
Member
It's always a one way door when the logic is placed under scrutiny.
Punished Miku
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I'm cool playing as a blue hedgehog with attitude and a need for speed.
Exclusively.
Exclusively.
Don't like most of them either, don't know if it's about being "relatable". to my taste it often hurts the "imagery" if i can say so. Some things just have a hard time fitting together, for several reasons.
I could elaborate but it's about aesthetics, i think that doesn't even need justifications, it should be perfectly understandable.
I could elaborate but it's about aesthetics, i think that doesn't even need justifications, it should be perfectly understandable.
Pop
Member
Yeah if given the option I will pick a buff bald dude over a female, every time
Why is that so hard to understand
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You can't relate to a blue hedgehog if you are not one.
cash_longfellow
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Bruh..Clarky gifting gold here is the least surprising thing I’ve seen this year 
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Pegasus Actual
Member
Best protagonist is GTA:SA when you eat fast food all the time and never work out, change my mind!
March Climber
Member
She has the 'dead eyes' look in the new version, but other than that it's a nice model upgrade.Naw, bro.
Switch version did improve the model.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
You can play whoever you want....
I personally MUCH prefer play as female character over bald old dude.
But only if she’s dressed in a skimpy outfit and who has a lot of sex appeal?
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
For me like to play as good looking character regardless of sex or race.....I'm not playing video games for realism.
Guilty_AI
Member
Men and women usually have different things that make them feel fulfilled emotionally and spiritually, or at least different enough to be noticeable when writing a story.
You may not notice it in games because a lot of the engagement comes from the mechanics and the game world, with main characters often just serving as carriers for the player, but its fairly normal in books.
See it like this, you wouldn't have a lot of men reading a romance starring a boring normal girl involved in a love triangle between a vampire and a werewolf. Neither you'd have a lot of women reading an isekai about a guy who gains super powers and gathers a harem of women.
Well, its more related to the nature of the story, and there are stories tailored to a specific gender starring a MC with the opposite gender. But the standard rule is to match the gender of the main character with the public you think would be more interested in it.
Pasta la Vista
Member
Are you actually role playing the characters you play in every game? That's weird to me. I could never enjoy games like that.
RPGs where you actually create a character or have a choice between a male or female lead I can understand this logic, but it's as you said, suspension of belief and all that, it plays a pretty huge part of it.
Some games I loved with female protagonists, Parasite Eve 1 and 2, Resident Evil games, original series of Tomb Raider games, Nier Automata, Persona 2: Eternal Punishment, Silent Hill 3, Bayonetta (first game only), Nightshade (PS2, Shinobi spinoff), etc. I'm probably missing a few others. But on the flipside of it something like Witcher 4 with Ciri as a main protagonist I'll likely skip because, well I don't want to romance dudes in CDPRs little pick your own adventure style of story telling with dialogue choices.
I don't mind playing games with a female lead, I just don't want to have to "act" as the female lead, if that makes any sense. Of course if the female lead is there just to insert some agenda the devs have, well that obviously can fuck right off.
RPGs where you actually create a character or have a choice between a male or female lead I can understand this logic, but it's as you said, suspension of belief and all that, it plays a pretty huge part of it.
Some games I loved with female protagonists, Parasite Eve 1 and 2, Resident Evil games, original series of Tomb Raider games, Nier Automata, Persona 2: Eternal Punishment, Silent Hill 3, Bayonetta (first game only), Nightshade (PS2, Shinobi spinoff), etc. I'm probably missing a few others. But on the flipside of it something like Witcher 4 with Ciri as a main protagonist I'll likely skip because, well I don't want to romance dudes in CDPRs little pick your own adventure style of story telling with dialogue choices.
I don't mind playing games with a female lead, I just don't want to have to "act" as the female lead, if that makes any sense. Of course if the female lead is there just to insert some agenda the devs have, well that obviously can fuck right off.
Firestartah
Member
Pretty much exactly how I see things. I just dont relate to them and dont immerse myself to care enough to finish those games if they have a female character (tomb raider, horizon etc). I tried them and they are competent games but I always drop them fast, so I just stopped touching anything that you are forced to play as a female.
The only games that I dont mind are games where it would ruin the entire idea if you played as a male, example Bayonetta or Lollipop Chainsaw.
The only games that I dont mind are games where it would ruin the entire idea if you played as a male, example Bayonetta or Lollipop Chainsaw.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
.... close enough. Behold, tsukihime
It's not really easy to speak for men or women as a monolith like this either because not everyone's gonna have the same idea of what they want "spiritually or emotionally" out of a game. there's games like Stardew Valley and Minecraft which by all accounts don't exactly have very male or female oriented premises and uhh..... well, just look at their popularity on both ends of the gender spectrum.
Hell, Nintendo as a whole is pretty emblematic of this. Some of their most popular games are Mario, Kirby, Animal Crossing, Rhythm Heaven, and others. Not exactly very male-dominated premises in many of those games (yes, including Mario. Yeah, he's a guy trying to save a princess, but you're not exactly shooting guns, fucking hot girls, or driving supercars in that game...)
Finally, on the opinion of the OP, most of these female protagonist games like metroid or tomb raider are pretty bent towards what the male audience would want- shooting dinosaurs, aliens, monsters, killing, etc. There's pretty much everything these folk would like. To throw a lot of that away because the character is a woman sounds ridiculous. To prefer a man is one thing but to actively dislike that and suggest it brings a game down is too much, honestly.
ciel senpai is best girl. i will not elaborate
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Calico345
Gold Member
I find it has more to do with people just wanting to feel heard because ego, rather than have an actual discussion. If you don't like a protagonist for various reasons, that's fine. But your way of expressing it muddies the waters and sounds dismissive and arrogant. That's why topics like these are a waste of time. There are any number of things you said that are unreasonable and are nothing more than your own subjective opinions, but you pass them off as objective and factual. There are times when this subject matter is presented as a topic of discussion. This specific topic is not one of those times. Good luck!
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
It is a fact though that most straight men hold my view.
Calico345
Gold Member
Gather and present the data supporting your claim. I'll wait.
Firestartah
Member
The thing also is...we are the vast majority of gamers, the ones who support this industry, of core games (not mobile and other stuff). So us, men saying we prefer playing men should mean something as it normally affects the way a game sells, and these are products that are made to be profitable.Just to see how crazy it looks, imagine woman made a topic about not liking to play as male and prefering to play as a female, no1 would bat an eye and if they said anything against it, it would be considered sexist, mysogonist, racist and imediatelly called out
Guess males and females arent equal in modern society after all
Women would have their right to complain I guess, if they have to play as a man, but in the end, they are a very low minority for these types of games and it is weird for studios to cater to them. But we all know, agenda pushing and wokeness doesnt make sense financially it is just that these devs dont care, they wanna make a statement. Like cmon, look at Sony, literally everything besides Kratos is now a female lead: Ghost of Yotei, Returnal, Intergalactic, Last of Us 2, Horizon etc. this isnt random, the weird part is, why are sony investors ok with it.
FunkMiller
Member
Most gamers just want to play compelling games, with characters they want to play as, because the game's story/gameplay is good.
If you truly sit there and say 'I won't play this game as I don't like playing as a female' then you'll miss out on some great gaming experiences.
I've never avoided a game in my life due to who the protagonist is.
I have avoided plenty of games with terrible fucking writing and characters.
Quality should always win out over everything else. If you decide on whether to play a game based on anything else (especially something as superficial as gender), you're a bit of a dumb ass.
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Roberts
Member
It’s popular to shit on Ubisoft, but Kassandra is the most fun character I had the pleasure of playing with in the recent years. But generally I don’t give a shit if I have to control a man, a woman, an alien or a vegetable as long as the game resonates with me on one way or another.
CandyCrushSagat
Neo Member
I generally can't relate to video game characters regardless of whether they are male or female.
The main problem with games that highlight the main character as female protagonist is that you know it's going to be a garbage game with a cringe storyline.
There are obviously exceptions like Lara Croft or Eri/Fio.
The main problem with games that highlight the main character as female protagonist is that you know it's going to be a garbage game with a cringe storyline.
There are obviously exceptions like Lara Croft or Eri/Fio.
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