DrForester
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I thought they did a pretty good job of it. Guy was the right height, and with the heavy robes you couldn't make out the build. Most the shots were from behind, and the wig and beard made sure you couldn't see him.
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I just saw the last Hobbit movie AKA The Hobbit: TBOTFA Spoiler Thread *SPOILERS*
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I thought they did a pretty good job of it. Guy was the right height, and with the heavy robes you couldn't make out the build. Most the shots were from behind, and the wig and beard made sure you couldn't see him.
Oh come on. That scene was awesome.
Yeah I had no problem with that scene. We're not meant to be seeing frail old Christopher Lee up there fighting and moving like that, we're meant to see a non-human Istari several thousand years old and the most powerful of wizards. Why can Gandalf fight like that but not Saruman? The stuntman wasn't best hidden but it was a scene with so many fast cuts and camera angles chosen specifically so that you don't see his face, there isn't really any problem with it.
Seventy_X_Seven
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After seeing this film, I wonder why Frodo and company didn't simply throw rocks at the orcs all the way to Mount Doom?
My experience:
If the Hobbit wasn't going off of HFR and was R instead of PG13, I would have enjoyed it a lot more than I did. There are just too many times where the sets and CGI are almost insulting. It's called Battle of the five armies yet it really doesn't even feel like a battle yet alone five fucking armies. It's just some poor cgi guys fighting with no tension or climax. The rest of the movie is trying to get me to care for people who have no proper characterization and spends way too much time on people who aren't even important to the movie. The fights are choreographed extremely poorly, and the story it's way too mumbled. I really wanted to like this one too.
If the Hobbit wasn't going off of HFR and was R instead of PG13, I would have enjoyed it a lot more than I did. There are just too many times where the sets and CGI are almost insulting. It's called Battle of the five armies yet it really doesn't even feel like a battle yet alone five fucking armies. It's just some poor cgi guys fighting with no tension or climax. The rest of the movie is trying to get me to care for people who have no proper characterization and spends way too much time on people who aren't even important to the movie. The fights are choreographed extremely poorly, and the story it's way too mumbled. I really wanted to like this one too.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Gotta fit the elven fanfic in there somehow.
Corpsepyre
Banned
Just came from this.
Wow, pretty disappointing. Weak third outing. This REALLY shouldn't have been three movies. They stretched everything thin as they possibly could have.
Doesn't hold a candle to the LOTR trilogy, but I guess that's common knowledge.
Wow, pretty disappointing. Weak third outing. This REALLY shouldn't have been three movies. They stretched everything thin as they possibly could have.
Doesn't hold a candle to the LOTR trilogy, but I guess that's common knowledge.
Renegade Yeti
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Just got back from seeing it, ive never been so conflicted over a film before. There was elements and certain scenes i just adored mainly the dialogue revolving around Bilbo as many people have said previously , also i thought the final fight sequence between Azog/Thorin was gorgeous. (is it me or has Azog's CG improved throughout the films?)
I honestly didn't mind the whole Taurial/Kili love triangle and thought she came across as a pretty cool character.
Really solid performances by all involved especially Ian/Martin/Richard.
Then there were bits that just straight up annoyed me, i was so hyped to see Billy Connolly as Dain and ended up with some weird ass CG looking geezer (he looked like something out of goddamn polar express) , reaaaaly jarring when every other character on-screen looks normal.
Again like everyone else i thought Alfrid was a huge waste of sceentime, should have been devoted to Beorn/Dain.
Ropey CG in places- dwarven rams looked a bit dodgy as did all the trolls
Side note- I thought the line about Galadrial was that she "brought down the walls of Dol Goldor" i kind of expected her to go full on dark phoenix and expected her to level the fortress, im not sure if that's in keeping with what the lore says she can actually do?
I honestly didn't mind the whole Taurial/Kili love triangle and thought she came across as a pretty cool character.
Really solid performances by all involved especially Ian/Martin/Richard.
Then there were bits that just straight up annoyed me, i was so hyped to see Billy Connolly as Dain and ended up with some weird ass CG looking geezer (he looked like something out of goddamn polar express) , reaaaaly jarring when every other character on-screen looks normal.
Again like everyone else i thought Alfrid was a huge waste of sceentime, should have been devoted to Beorn/Dain.
Ropey CG in places- dwarven rams looked a bit dodgy as did all the trolls
Side note- I thought the line about Galadrial was that she "brought down the walls of Dol Goldor" i kind of expected her to go full on dark phoenix and expected her to level the fortress, im not sure if that's in keeping with what the lore says she can actually do?
It should.From Reddit
BotFA funeral scene. Wonder if it'll make it to the EE.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
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BotFA funeral scene. Wonder if it'll make it to the EE.
K.
Where the hell was this scene in the theatrical cut? It looks like just what the denouement needed.
DrForester
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A few of the Nazgul returned to occupy Dol Goldur in the years following Sauron fleeing it. They continued to assault Lorien and Thanduil's realm, but were always held at bay.
Now, Gladrial did go to destroy the fortress entirely after the one ring was destroyed. That's where the lien of her bringing down it's walls is from. I don't think the White Council's assault on Dol Goldur was written with any specifics other than it happened, and Sauron fled.
ehhhhhhhh it was okay I guess
EDIT: Part I liked most was the tension between the elves, men and dwarves, Alfred was the Jar-Jar of this film and the CGI was garbage. The fight at the end went on for far too long, it was bland and drawn out. Sometimes it is better to have very brief fight scenes between characters.
EDIT: Part I liked most was the tension between the elves, men and dwarves, Alfred was the Jar-Jar of this film and the CGI was garbage. The fight at the end went on for far too long, it was bland and drawn out. Sometimes it is better to have very brief fight scenes between characters.
The Last Emperor
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Did anyone else notice Mablung in the Moria scene?
That was the worst movie I've seen all year. Every shitty cameo and CGI fight scene was embarrassing. It was like watching a video game for the space of two hours. Return of the King came out eleven years ago and it looked eleven times better than this movie.
I don't even want to talk about the script. Or the new characters. Or the music. Or the death scenes. Or everything else about this movie that sucked. I just can't believe that this was the same director who gave us the LOTR trilogy. It's obvious he stopped giving a fuck about these movies some time ago. There's no way a filmmaker of his talent would have willingly birthed something as awful as this. It's still his fault for making it a trilogy.
I don't even want to talk about the script. Or the new characters. Or the music. Or the death scenes. Or everything else about this movie that sucked. I just can't believe that this was the same director who gave us the LOTR trilogy. It's obvious he stopped giving a fuck about these movies some time ago. There's no way a filmmaker of his talent would have willingly birthed something as awful as this. It's still his fault for making it a trilogy.
Master Yoshi
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Is it safe to say that the first Chronicles of Narnia movie had more heart than any of these Hobbit films? I think if I were ever given the option, I'd choose Narnia every time.
LiquidMetal14
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Saw it. Liked it a lot.
BertramCooper
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What a terrible trilogy.
May they be banished to the same circle of cinematic hell as Episodes I, II and III.
May they be banished to the same circle of cinematic hell as Episodes I, II and III.
Miles Quaritch
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Man, I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when Legolas was literally walking on air.
My god.
Didn't much care for the movie as a whole. It all felt rushed and the ending was so completely unsatisfying. Why not show the funeral? The movie needed that key scene to bring the journey of Thorin to a close.
It's not like they were hurting for time, this was probably the shortest Hobbit/Lord of the Rings I've seen. Entire scenes felt butchered.
My god.
Didn't much care for the movie as a whole. It all felt rushed and the ending was so completely unsatisfying. Why not show the funeral? The movie needed that key scene to bring the journey of Thorin to a close.
It's not like they were hurting for time, this was probably the shortest Hobbit/Lord of the Rings I've seen. Entire scenes felt butchered.
The Empire Podcast spoilers special has been released (in two parts):
Philippa Boyens interview:
https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazi...ies-spoiler-special-philippa-boyens-interview
Richard Armitage interview:
https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazi...ive-armies-spoiler-special-2-richard-armitage
Philippa Boyens interview:
https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazi...ies-spoiler-special-philippa-boyens-interview
Richard Armitage interview:
https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazi...ive-armies-spoiler-special-2-richard-armitage
Corpsepyre
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We nearly fell laughing at that scene as well.
I did not like it. I thought it was the worse of the three (second being the best). The only thing I liked really was the Wraith fight. In fact, the only thing I really liked about the whole trilogy was anything to do with the Necromancer/Sauron.
Overall I am glad Peter did it to keep the continuity between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings (so we didn't get a different vision of the world or different actors) but between all the changes and filler to make a 300 page book span 9 hours of footage I am glad this journey is over and we will never experience this again.
Overall I am glad Peter did it to keep the continuity between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings (so we didn't get a different vision of the world or different actors) but between all the changes and filler to make a 300 page book span 9 hours of footage I am glad this journey is over and we will never experience this again.
Until it is rebooted in 10 years with all 6 movies shot consecutively.
BattleMonkey
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So had Saruman gone over to the dark side at this point or is this supposed to be where he goes off and is instead turned bad later before the original Trilogy?
RatskyWatsky
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Exactly! The entire film was essentially one big fight sequence, so it's not like they couldn't have trimmed some of it out to include the, you know, actual important story beats.
JeTmAn81
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What do you mean? He was in it for five whole seconds.
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BotFA funeral scene. Wonder if it'll make it to the EE.
The ending of this trilogy felt really abrupt, this would have been a nice addition. I don't get cutting it
Azog and Throin die, War concludes in background, Goodbye Other Dwarves, Return to Shire
whatsinaname
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Some footage from the movie.
Legolas Flying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDkQddMmBI8#t=27
Legolas Driving a Troll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuW3trJiEG4#t=620
Legolas was so pointless in this move. "Your mother loved you...".
Legolas Flying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDkQddMmBI8#t=27
Legolas Driving a Troll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuW3trJiEG4#t=620
Legolas was so pointless in this move. "Your mother loved you...".
For an example of how Bilbo's role is diminished, they removed him telling the thrush (and by extension, Bard) about Smaug's weakpoint.
Seriously, is Bilbo a Major League pitcher? The guy could have beat the entire orc army on his own with enough time and rocks.
DrForester
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I didn't mind him in Desolation of Smaug. As Thanduil's son, his presence seemed totally appropriate. But I wish they had left it at that. Just like they showed restraint to not bring Gollum back after the first film.
I was expecting (and hoping) for a small Gollum scene in this one where we see him leaving the Misty Mountains in the search for "Baggins".
Johnlenham
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Hopefully someone with more patience than I will go back and see how much stuff he directly helps throughout the book VS what they cut from the film to add more shite filler.
I don't even mind him being in it beyond that.
I mind how much focus he got to the point that the main cast got less time. I mean, fuck, we got Legolas being told to go track down Aragorn instead of Thorin's funeral.
I feel at times Jackson maybe tried too hard to tie it in to LOTR, like with Legolas, rather than let it more naturally happen with more suble allusions.
DrForester
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That Music Video they did for "The Last Goodbye" is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8ir8rVl2Z4
At this point he had already begun searching for the Ring himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8ir8rVl2Z4
At this point he had already begun searching for the Ring himself.
Arguments against the Eagles are some of the laziest.
Such trash. It's amazing how bad the film was and how Jackson really has become a one note wonder. People comparing him to Lucas I think are being unfair, to Lucas. He at least got American Graffiti out too. Jackson on the other hand, every movie has been progressive worse than the previous since FOTR
The one thing I really can't understand is how progressively worse the action even got compared to the original trilogy. An entire film dedicated towards a battle and even then, it felt hollow and looked the same.
The one thing I really can't understand is how progressively worse the action even got compared to the original trilogy. An entire film dedicated towards a battle and even then, it felt hollow and looked the same.
Jackson made plenty of good stuff before LOTR.
One note wonder? Jackson pre Rings is best Jackson.
Also the action of the third Rings film is its worst aspects. The character stuff is good in the battles but too much time is spent lingering on the battle of Gondor when it's solved with magic fairy dust.
CoffeeJanitor
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Cutaways from my viewing
Editing in first half was bad...mood changes too quick
Too many cg orcs, or they at least looked cg, so that was lame
Thought the whole thorin gold quicksand scene was silly
Eagles!
There werea lot of moments that made me laugh that were not supposed to
Legolas upped the elephant slide with that rock jump
SO MUCH FREAKIN SLOW MO
Editing in first half was bad...mood changes too quick
Too many cg orcs, or they at least looked cg, so that was lame
Thought the whole thorin gold quicksand scene was silly
Eagles!
There werea lot of moments that made me laugh that were not supposed to
Legolas upped the elephant slide with that rock jump
SO MUCH FREAKIN SLOW MO
It reminded me of some good old Super Mario games.
The 'romantic' scene were cringe worthy, but overall movie was ok mainly because i like battle scenes. Plot was almost non-existent though, and i can understand how people would hate it.
Bo Knows GAF
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Just finished it. This was probably the least middle earth feeling middle earth movie of the 6. Felt so rushed as if I was being kicked out of the books rather than slowly ushered out of an era. I enjoyed the scenes having to do with Sauron and the connections being drawn to the Fellowship at the end. That's about it honestly.
Edit: one last thing, my favorite part of this whole trilogy was Martin Freeman, I think he did phenomenal even working with such a weak script.
Edit: one last thing, my favorite part of this whole trilogy was Martin Freeman, I think he did phenomenal even working with such a weak script.
My only complaints about the Eagles is that there weren't enough of them
They are supposed to be a full army, but the movie just has a couple
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I sat through two hours of this goddamn movie to see Bilbo get home and discover the Sackville Baggins' had taken his spoons
And I got that at least
And I got that at least
The movie did actually feel like it ended abruptly, especially being the bookend to the series. It felt quick coming from Thorin's death to Bilbo coming back to see the Sackville-Baggins taking his stuff.
Complete opposite of the ending for Return of the King, without that huge "my friends, you bow to no one" scene.
Complete opposite of the ending for Return of the King, without that huge "my friends, you bow to no one" scene.
Buckethead
Banned
Sala Baker the GOAT.
Glad I'm not the only one who knows it.
Glad I'm not the only one who knows it.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
I enjoyed it more than the first movie, but I wouldn't say it's a good movie. It's really weird. You can feel a lot of bits were edited out or where there was a fair bit of padding.
These last two movies really suffered from making two movies into three.
These last two movies really suffered from making two movies into three.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Did everyone laugh at that? My entire theater busted out as well
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