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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 1. Haswell, Crysis 3, and secret fairy sauce. Read da OP
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Hello guys,
I am seriously thinking about spending crazy amount of money on new computer.
This here, is the image with partsI am now decided. - I am thinking about.
I would like to hear some opinions on what should I change, what to add and other things that I've maybe missed.
I haven't build PC for more than 10 years and am on laptop now, which main function is gaming and raw photo editing (about that - it chugs).
Please leave a reply anywhere - here or pm...
When I would finaly get into buying new PC, maybe it would be great to have someone on skype hotline too, haha.
Thank a bunch
ed: nice warranty table - I will opt for Gigabyte hd7970 ultra durable then.
I am seriously thinking about spending crazy amount of money on new computer.
This here, is the image with parts
I would like to hear some opinions on what should I change, what to add and other things that I've maybe missed.
I haven't build PC for more than 10 years and am on laptop now, which main function is gaming and raw photo editing (about that - it chugs).
Please leave a reply anywhere - here or pm...
When I would finaly get into buying new PC, maybe it would be great to have someone on skype hotline too, haha.
Thank a bunch
ed: nice warranty table - I will opt for Gigabyte hd7970 ultra durable then.
It's 10% faster roughly. For such a small price difference go IB.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Final tweaks, if nothing changes my mind until the 26th. I decided against getting any HDD for now. I can deal with the limited capacity when I wouldn't benefit in speed as the 10000+ rpm HDDs are too expensive so I'll later get an SSD instead. I also added a cheap 2.1 speaker setup for when I'm showing things to others or don't care to use headphones.
By the way, will Windows 7 crap out if I just stick these HDDs from my current PC as they are in the new setup or do they deal with that kind of change elegantly enough (outside manually removing and adding drivers)? It's not a deal breaker, I'm just curious if I could skip the trouble of reinstalling everything but Steam games (which are on HDD #2).
I'm not missing any parts other than things like thermal paste, right?Alextended said:
By the way, will Windows 7 crap out if I just stick these HDDs from my current PC as they are in the new setup or do they deal with that kind of change elegantly enough (outside manually removing and adding drivers)? It's not a deal breaker, I'm just curious if I could skip the trouble of reinstalling everything but Steam games (which are on HDD #2).
minasodaboy
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I just built more or less the same thing (GTX 660 instead of the 7970, I needed CUDA for CS 5.5) and it works REALLY well with 16MP raw file in Adobe Lightroom and even just rendering previews in windows explorer. I think I can notice a nice upgrade when compared to my i7-2600k and 8gb of RAM on my work machine.
Would CUDA help even in AcdSee Pro 6? With said raw file editation or even video rendering and processing?
Great! How is everything in 1080 with somewhat stable FPS? I am going from laptop i5 2.53ghz, 5650m and 4gb ram. I just can't imagine smooth games...
I hope this PC would be enough for Oculus Rift supported games.
I'm getting a new work PC and was hoping it would be decent enough to run Starcraft 2. It's skewed heavily toward development instead of graphics, so I'm mainly concerned about the GPU.
Can the PS be upgraded? If not, would a 460W PS be ok for a 7870 or a GeForce 650Ti?
Dell XPS 8500
i7-3770
32GB RAM (that's not a typo)
Radeon 7570 1GB
460W PS (according to specs)
i7-3770
32GB RAM (that's not a typo)
Radeon 7570 1GB
460W PS (according to specs)
Can the PS be upgraded? If not, would a 460W PS be ok for a 7870 or a GeForce 650Ti?
Ugh, a good online friend of mine finally decided to join the PC bandwagon, but he has been having many troubles trying to start his brand new computer up, and I am unable to help him in person. If anyone from the LA area can assist him with his first build, I will be really grateful. PM if you are willing!
Ivy Bridge seems to be around 5-10% faster clock for clock. You can see it compared to some Sandy Bridge i3s including the 2125 here. The i3 2125 has the same clock speed and performance as the 2125 , only difference is the integrated graphics is better which makes no difference if you have a GPU.
Edit:
PSU is short for power supply (unit) and while a 460W one can run a 7870 (running a 4.2Ghz 3570k and a 7870 from a 450W as we speak) it depends on how much of those 460W can go through the 12W rail. At the very minimum you could go for a 7750 as it doesn't need extra power (6/8pin PCI-e) and runs on the power from the PCI-e slot. SC2 also isn't a very GPU demanding game and can be run on low settings with integrated graphics. Games with lot's of stuff on the screen want a good CPU and the 3770 is a very good gaming CPU.
Anandtech got 65 average FPS in SC2 on ultra at 1650x1050 with the 7750, 36 at 1920x1200 with 4xMSAA so unless you need the very highest settings it should run the game fine. If it can handle a 7850/7870 though then that is a much better card for the money.
Thanks for the info. I may have to wait until the warranty expires to do anything (I'm pretty sure my boss would be pissed if I voided the warranty), so I'll see how well SC2 runs on the 7570 for now.
MisterNoisy
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According to your second link, the case has room for a 318mm/12.5" long video card. That ASUS card is 260mm/10.2" long, so it should fit
VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
Put a build together. Any changes recommended? Upgrade/downgrade?
Total = £2,001 with the GTX 670
Total = £2,109 with the Superclocked GTX 680
- Intel Core i7-3970X 3.50GHz
- Phanteks PH-TC14PE CPU Cooler
- EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2048MB or EVGA GeForce GTX 680 Superclocked 2048MB
- MSI X79A-GD65 (8D) Intel X79
- Crucial RealSSD M4 256GB
- Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM
- Asus 24x DVD±RW
- Corsair Enthusiast Series TX 650W V2
- Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz
- Corsair Graphite 600T Midi Tower Case - Limited Edition White
Total = £2,001 with the GTX 670
Total = £2,109 with the Superclocked GTX 680
minasodaboy
Member
Not sure. My guess would be no for the RAW CUDA acceleration. All of those programs seem to live and die by the CPU and RAM AND the speed of your drives.
Most video editing programs do take advantage of CUDA or OpenCL acceleration in a big way though (i.e. cutting render times in half or more). Definitely make sure you you know whether your workflow is going to benefit from it or not. However, once you are taking advantage of GPU acceleration, it seems like the difference between a $200 and a $500 card is seconds.
That is why (when budget matters) the first thing I would save on is the graphics card. For me that was a 660 instead of a 660Ti, which allowed me to afford an i7-3770k. I can always upgrade my card later, but right now I have a great CPU that makes a much bigger difference to me in photo/video.
Of course that is pretty much opposite from the gaming min-max (lower CPU/RAM, higher GPU).
last call
PCPartPicker part list http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/JE93
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£167.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12P SE2 54.4 CFM CPU Cooler (£46.66 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard (£89.12 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£45.49 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£53.56 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£100.00 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (£239.39 @ Aria PC)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy (White) Mini ITX Tower Case (£62.16 @ Amazon UK)
Other: Be Quiet 530W modular PSU (£65.00)
Total: £869.32
CPU cooler I went back and forth but I have a soft spot for Noctua and it should be quieter than the H60 at low speeds. Should fit that motherboard. I realise also that motherboard doesn't have CPU voltage tweaking, but it should still overclock reasonably and its £30 less than the next one up, the ASRock X77-E.
PCPartPicker part list http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/JE93
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£167.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12P SE2 54.4 CFM CPU Cooler (£46.66 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard (£89.12 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£45.49 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£53.56 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£100.00 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (£239.39 @ Aria PC)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy (White) Mini ITX Tower Case (£62.16 @ Amazon UK)
Other: Be Quiet 530W modular PSU (£65.00)
Total: £869.32
CPU cooler I went back and forth but I have a soft spot for Noctua and it should be quieter than the H60 at low speeds. Should fit that motherboard. I realise also that motherboard doesn't have CPU voltage tweaking, but it should still overclock reasonably and its £30 less than the next one up, the ASRock X77-E.
I have a hard time recommending any X79 motherboard outside of ASUS and a few of the ASRock boards. It seems like just about everyone had a swing and a miss on X79. MSI, Gigabyte, and EVGA all have widely reported issues.
Go with one of the P9X79s, Sabertooth, or ASRock Extreme 6/9.
Also, I'd suggest a different case, something from the OP. The 600T is pretty loud and has some design flaws that make it perform much worse than the competition.
VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
How about this board - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-487-AS
And this case - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-076-NX
Yep. Cherry caps are cherry caps.
Entirely depends on your OC settings. Volts? Frequency? Speedstepping? Offset?
That was just on stock so 1V 3.4ghz. didnt get into OCing yet.
Sweet! I'm really happy with the overall value of the Quickfire Pro, but it is pretty damn ugly now that I think about it. Found some pretty amazing looking mods, but I don't know if I'll go that far. Might at least replace all or some keycaps, though that could very well bring the total cost much closer to a new keyboard
Irobot82
Member
What's your ambient room temp?
Which one? 605 or 304?
304's PSU placement is pretty smart. Similarly shaped cases put the PSU in a place to where you can't even access the motherboard with it installed. Moving it to where it's at allows for long GPUs without impeding any sort of component access.
Yeah 304. The Orange Prodigy isn't in stock but the Black Node 304 is. Now to google to see if the 212 will fit inside.
70F so about 21C. Definitely think I messed something up. Right now im at a +.15 offeset and 4.0ghz OC and my temps are about 80C during prime95.
Wonder what it could be, the thermal paste?
Might have gotten it. I heard the H80i fans were pretty loud, so I bought different fans, guess they werent too good. Im using the fans that came with the H80i, and im idling at 28-32C and max load at 69-75C. Thats a little better. Should the H80i be used as an intake or exhaust? I have it as an exhaust in the back of the case, and then an intake in the bottom and front.
Im using a Define R4 if it makes a difference.
VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
Is it only available in the black? I'm decorating my office so trying to get everything white.
j2theizzay
Member
Just make sure your GPU/PSU will fit together in the Node 304. If you go modular you gotta make sure the GPU won't interfere with the plugs. Side view of my 304.
Yeah, saw that. I'm pretty sure I could make mine work. It has enough plugs on the open side. I'd be opening the box in store and getting my paws all over it first anyway. Takes a few hours to properly go case shopping.
lifa-cobex
Member
Appollowexx
Member
Lian Li PC-6B Midi Tower
Intel i5 3570k (3.40GHz)
EVGA GTX680 4GB SLI
Asus P8Z77-V LX Motherboard
WD Green 2TB HD
Samsung 840series 120GB SSD
Corsair 8GB 1600mhz DDR3 Vengeance
Corsair 650W TX ATX/EPS 80 PLUS Bronze PSU
Coolmaster Hyper 212 EVO
Caved and added a SSD for the OS as recommended.
For the more informed posters here, will this last me for a good while into next gen, if I'm playing in 1080p only and on one monitor?
I like to run settings as high as possible and generally vsync, so that's a factor. I'm hoping aside from maybe the processor that this will last at least 2 years before it starts running into any problems. Parts are being dispatched today - can't wait!
Intel i5 3570k (3.40GHz)
EVGA GTX680 4GB SLI
Asus P8Z77-V LX Motherboard
WD Green 2TB HD
Samsung 840series 120GB SSD
Corsair 8GB 1600mhz DDR3 Vengeance
Corsair 650W TX ATX/EPS 80 PLUS Bronze PSU
Coolmaster Hyper 212 EVO
Caved and added a SSD for the OS as recommended.
For the more informed posters here, will this last me for a good while into next gen, if I'm playing in 1080p only and on one monitor?
I like to run settings as high as possible and generally vsync, so that's a factor. I'm hoping aside from maybe the processor that this will last at least 2 years before it starts running into any problems. Parts are being dispatched today - can't wait!
SquiddyCracker
Banned
I basically bought the exact same stuff only with the ASRock mobo (which has yet to arrive
), and my setup cost me 920 all in all (stupid Aria PC shipping fees, should have ordered the grafx and cpu together).Oh, and a different case, which is a secret.
I basically bought the exact same stuff only with the ASRock mobo (which has yet to arrive
Oh, and a different case, which is a secret.
SHARE YOUR ITX SECRETS WITH US
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Oh, alright then:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Comp...ni-ITX+Case+?productId=54731&source=skinflint
You have to be careful when selecting the GPU/PSU though (or you lose out on 1-3 hard drive cages, or end up without the GPU fitting even), but I chose this over Bitfenix Prodigy because it was within my budget and half the height (Coolermaster Elite 120 was tempting at half the price, but it seems pretty shoddy).
I'll post temperature measurements once I got everything assembled come monday.
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Comp...ni-ITX+Case+?productId=54731&source=skinflint
You have to be careful when selecting the GPU/PSU though (or you lose out on 1-3 hard drive cages, or end up without the GPU fitting even), but I chose this over Bitfenix Prodigy because it was within my budget and half the height (Coolermaster Elite 120 was tempting at half the price, but it seems pretty shoddy).
I'll post temperature measurements once I got everything assembled come monday.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Lol. Did you miss the 10 posts this page where we were talking about it?
Haha, not much of a secret ITX case then
At least it's tested and true then.
Nice!
To answer your question, I think that would definitely last 2 years or more. 680's are very powerful cards, especially in SLI.
I mean, Square Enix's next-gen tech demo was running on 1 680 at 60 fps, and I know we probably won't be seeing that kind of optimization in PC ports but that just gives you an idea of the potential these cards have.
I'd drop to a 3930K unless you need the extra cache for something.
Drop that money towards a Titan
840 Pro over M4
TX650W? Get modular at least, what are you doing! Seasonic 550W G series is a touch more. You can spring for HX650 / X650 / AX650 or their 750W models if you like.
A single or dual 680 SLi?
I'd get a better PSU for sure (see OP)... probably bump the mobo up to a $200 one like the MSI MPOWER / ASUS Gene
And yeah any GPU that costs >$250 I'm sure will be quite fine for a while.
Just tried switching it to an intake on the h80i. Temps are still in the 70s under Prime95 and +.15 offset at 4.3ghz.
Do I maybe screw up the install on the heatsink? Should I try to reapply it with different thermal paste.
My max after 15 minutes of prime was 74/75 on Core #0 and Core #3 and 82/80 on Core #1/Core#2
In the midst of a bit of a rebuild, added a second 670 gtx, and new case. Question is, I just came upon some of this ram for a steal of price from a buddy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231589
My motherboard is an ASrock p67 extreme gen4, which says it supports up to 2100 mhz. I have an i5-2500k O'cd to 4.5, but I am thinking that this ram is not compatible with the mobo.
Anyway, looking for a possible upgrade in Mobo, but don't want to buy a new cpu yet. Looking at the z77 boards, but not sure it would be worth the upgrade. Prefer a white/black/red color if possible. Worth it to upgrade now, or wait til I upgrade my cpu as well? Leaning towards just waiting and keeping the ram tucked until then.
My motherboard is an ASrock p67 extreme gen4, which says it supports up to 2100 mhz. I have an i5-2500k O'cd to 4.5, but I am thinking that this ram is not compatible with the mobo.
Anyway, looking for a possible upgrade in Mobo, but don't want to buy a new cpu yet. Looking at the z77 boards, but not sure it would be worth the upgrade. Prefer a white/black/red color if possible. Worth it to upgrade now, or wait til I upgrade my cpu as well? Leaning towards just waiting and keeping the ram tucked until then.
It should be compatible. Motherboards supporting RAM speeds is a marketing deal. Anything above 1333MHz is an overclock, and anything above 1600 cannot be enabled via XMP. So, you have to tinker a bit at times to get RAM to where it needs to be, and it also depends on silicon lottery as far as your internal memory controller is concerned.
When they sell 2133MHz RAM, what they mean is that 'we have binned this RAM to run at 2133MHz', it doesn't mean, "this RAM will run a 2133MHz in YOUR setup'.
So what I'm saying is, it will most certainly work, but running at the advertised speed will depend on a number of factors, none of which is motherboard compatibility.
Try putting the stock fan on there as well, it's a better performer than the cluster
When they sell 2133MHz RAM, what they mean is that 'we have binned this RAM to run at 2133MHz', it doesn't mean, "this RAM will run a 2133MHz in YOUR setup'.
So what I'm saying is, it will most certainly work, but running at the advertised speed will depend on a number of factors, none of which is motherboard compatibility.
Sounds like a bad mount. Did you tighten it in a X pattern? Number the screws 1-4 clockwise, and you should be going 1-3-4-2, 1-3-4-2, etc.
Try putting the stock fan on there as well, it's a better performer than the cluster
Hmm, ok, makes sense. I tried it last night, and even ran the XMP profiles (these profiles were at 2286 and 2400 mhz, however, did not think it would work, but tried anyway) that the BIOS picked up, but it wouldn't POST correctly. I manually entered in the 10-12-12-31, and selected 2133 as well as 1866 but still to no avail. PC would turn on, but no signal would be output unless I cleared the CMOS. It would only run it at 1333, whereas my current ram runs at 1600. Also noticed that the PC upon reboot would take 2/3 times to actually power on.
Any tips/guides you guys have come across? Looked at youtube for my board, didn't see much.
Any tips/guides you guys have come across? Looked at youtube for my board, didn't see much.
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