CreepingFear
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You seem to be right on the problem. Good luck on that.
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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 1. Haswell, Crysis 3, and secret fairy sauce. Read da OP
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You seem to be right on the problem. Good luck on that.
Have you updated the Bios? Originally, when the MB first came out, they had problems cold booting, but that was fixed in a early Bios update.
ASUS Z87 Sabertooth
I know what I'm getting for my new build in June.
No just a trip. Needed something to distract me because 50 shades of GAF build has been put on hold until mkenyons move and Compact Water Wonder has been put on hold until you get your case.
Just glad the laptop went through cause I left like 4 days after the shipping error
Oni Link 666
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I'm thinking about getting this.
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=22371945
I already have this video card and I think I'm going to wait until early next year to get a new one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150550
What do you think?
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=22371945
I already have this video card and I think I'm going to wait until early next year to get a new one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150550
What do you think?
dragonballjoseph
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You really don't need that much RAM. 8GB is generally more than enough.
Oni Link 666
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I'm a 3D modeler and I work with huge Maya and PhotoShop files. At the same time. And I will have 2 monitors running. With movies and Twitch streams. I'm not sure 8 GB is going to cut it. Maybe 16 would, but why stop there? I see no reason not to just fill this thing up with the best and most memory this MB can handle now and never mess with it again.
Sanic
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Right now, I have an AMD Phenom II 840 and i'm looking to upgrade, but the thought of spending around $300 for both an intel cpu AND mobo is kind of hard for me to swallow. I feel like I already know the answer, but would I be truly cheating myself by going with some AMD cpu to cut down costs? I'm simply tired of being cpu limited in basically everything I play (esp PS2, performance is awful for me), and so it would be nice to have just a newer proc that can get me through the next couple years until I do a new build from scratch. Basically if I can get through the next year without being cpu limited, i'll be happy.
What motherboard do you have?
At 1440p and 1600p, you need highend cards, even SLI / CF, to run the higher settings. If you are only using a 560ti, performance would not be worth it for those resolution.
Take the $180 for that chip.
Put it to the side.
Wait one month. Adding to that pile as you can.
Sell current mobo and chip for $120
Buy Haswell for $300.
Sanic
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I agree in principle, but I guess it's more about my use case and not so much money. Ivy Bridge doesn't bench that much better (if at all) than the 8350 at 1080p on a single GPU (660 in my case), and Haswell as we all know will only offer a small boost over IB at stock clock speeds.
I guess from my perspective, it's more of a case where I don't have to hassle with selling anything, save money, and get the performance I need for the next year or two until I build again. I almost feel like blowing all of that money on a decent Haswell is like throwing out the baby with the bath water; i'm just throwing away money I don't have to.
Will the IGP on Haswell be enough to run Dolphin and PCSX2 at 30fps 1080p? Hell, I'll settle for 720p. Basically I want to build a HTPC that can be an emulation box on the cheap. Figured to with Haswell and later down the road throw in a midrange GPU if I ever decide to do PC gaming.
Throwing away money is buying a Piledriver/Bulldozer CPU. They just don't cut it when it comes to gaming performance. We're talking about an additional $130 for a motherboard, which isn't a whole lot of money.
Regardless, your 760G chipset wouldn't even be able to get the most out of a CPU upgrade. You'd be severely limited in overclocking potential, which is the only upshot of Piledriver.
In any game where CPU is a bottleneck, it ends up competing against FIRST GEN core series processors. With Haswell, that is now three generations old.
If you were talking about building a PC for heavily threaded applications where per-thread performance isn't a concern, like rendering video, the 8350 starts to make a lot more sense. But when talking about a gaming machine, there's no reason to buy an 8350.
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I just read your post again, I must have blanked out on this part:
You have to be careful on looking at benchmarks. Ideally, you want to find benchmarks of games that are known to be CPU intensive. BF3 SP, Crytek stuff, and Metro would be the ones to avoid as they generally perform the same regardless of CPU due to how hard they put a bottleneck on GPUs. Anything that is UE3, Source, Blizzard, among others, and the 8350 competes with i3s, first gen core i5s, and even Core 2 Quads in some instances.
There aren't any benchmarks out. In either case, both of those are far more dependent upon CPU power, and you'll want to OC it to 4.5ish to get solid performance. Dolphin is single threaded and PSCX2 is dual threaded.
I'm guessing I should opt for Haswell or find an older SB i5 if I want an emulation box?
Wait a month for Haswell, if nothing else, the socket will last longer for an upgrade.
If you think you can wait a month, definitely worth it.
Yeah, it's really sad right now.
I'm praying that the move to n-threaded games next gen will see a good leveling of the playing field. Until then, there's really only one choice for gaming machines.
Basically any fan around 1000-1200RPM is going to push air while being really quiet.
Cougar Vortex and Arctic Cooling F12 come to mind as good ~$10 options. You could go for low speed Yate Loons as well if you wanted to go down in price. Noiseblockers if you wanted to go up in price.
Cougar Vortex and Arctic Cooling F12 come to mind as good ~$10 options. You could go for low speed Yate Loons as well if you wanted to go down in price. Noiseblockers if you wanted to go up in price.
As always, mkenyon to the rescue. Thanks a bunch.
MMBosstones86
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+1 for the Cougars. VERY quite, especially if you use the rubber screws.
Hero_of_the_Day
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So, I got an HTPC case for my media center PC. Came with no fans, only has two slots at the back for them. Would you guys have them blowing in or out?
MisterNoisy
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Exhaust.
CaptainZombie
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Have them blowing out. What kind of setup are you putting in that case and which one did you buy?
memecomplex
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Isn't that like a step back after the SM5?
I don't think I can do steel cases anymore after working on a friend's Lian Li!
Well, my ASUS RMA seems to finally be wrapping up - took them long enough.
Since they don't have any of the GTX670 DCUII Top in stock to replace my broken one with they'll be sending me a non-Top (but still slightly factory overclocked) GTX680 (specifically the GTX680-DC2O-2GDR5). Seems fine to me so I accepted it, only annoyance is the GTX680 will take up 3 PCI-E slots so I'm going to have to take out my Xonar soundcard until I upgrade to Haswell and get a mobo that will accomadate them both. Soundcard isn't a big deal though since I mainly play on my plasma via HDMI and pass the sound to the entertainment center that way - bypassing the sound card altogether.
Since they don't have any of the GTX670 DCUII Top in stock to replace my broken one with they'll be sending me a non-Top (but still slightly factory overclocked) GTX680 (specifically the GTX680-DC2O-2GDR5). Seems fine to me so I accepted it, only annoyance is the GTX680 will take up 3 PCI-E slots so I'm going to have to take out my Xonar soundcard until I upgrade to Haswell and get a mobo that will accomadate them both. Soundcard isn't a big deal though since I mainly play on my plasma via HDMI and pass the sound to the entertainment center that way - bypassing the sound card altogether.
Who says anything about after?
Right now, I have:
Rampage Gene IV/3820/690 system (caselabs sm5)
Gigabyte Z77X-UP7/3570K/7970 Matrix system (test bench, probably headed for LD PC-V7)
ASUS P8Z77-I/2500K/670 system (Prodigy)
and when Haswell launches I'll add an MPower Max, 4770K, and who knows what for GPU. That'll likely be the one to go in it.
I may end up going with the Gigabyte G1.Killer mATX board with a 4770K, and opt for the Corsair 350D though.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Thanks, will do.
It's a Q6600 with a Radeon 4770. Mother in law got a new computer so I took her old one, bought two 3TB drives and a new case.
Got this case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163194
Nothing great, but I got it cheap.
Fatal Futanari
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Thanks! I've been looking at some of the Haswell info. Seems there wont be a hexa-core released this summer? Although I read that the gaming performance is better than SB and IB? I've been waiting 5 years to build this, I think I can wait a month more (HA watch me get impatient xD )
Yea, I'll see what Nvidia gots cooking at the end of the month. I hear there might be a new edition of the Titian?
Might need a larger PSU though.
Who says anything about after?
Right now, I have:
Rampage Gene IV/3820/690 system (caselabs sm5)
Gigabyte Z77X-UP7/3570K/7970 Matrix system (test bench, probably headed for LD PC-V7)
ASUS P8Z77-I/2500K/670 system (Prodigy)
and when Haswell launches I'll add an MPower Max, 4770K, and who knows what for GPU. That'll likely be the one to go in it.
I may end up going with the Gigabyte G1.Killer mATX board with a 4770K, and opt for the Corsair 350D though.
I thought you got a titan
appaws
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A great article. Everybody should go read it. Cutress is good.
My takeaway for this thread....as far as builds go, we maybe should be recommending that everybody put as much as possible into the GPU as opposed to everything else, particularly at the lower end/1080p gaming setup. I have read that conventional wisdom is that you should put 1/3 of your budget into a video card....but under current conditions that should be much higher for building a gaming rig...maybe 50% would be a better guide....
I mean, he had to go to ridiculous extremes to get to a level that differentiates between these CPUs.
The article is missing a lot of information. I don't intend to sound crass, I mean this in a literal way: Average FPS has been shown to be a nearly meaningless figure over the last 6 months.
I get that there was a *ton* of testing to be done. Going in depth with the numbers would expand the test to the point that it would be overwhelming. Literally, it would take hundreds of hours to do it.
But, Anandtech knows better, and I'm truly surprised they would put out an article like this without any proper frame time testing.
It's been shown time and time again that CPUs have a significant effect on performance. It just entirely depends on the engine.
Skyrim, a game known to be CPU dependent:
Arkham City, UE3 based which is very CPU dependent:
BF3 Single Player, not CPU dependent at all:
Crysis 2, not very CPU dependent:
Here's Dota 2 and Tribes: Ascend, the prior Source engine, the latter UE3 engine. This is on the same processor, and simply overclocking it with fairly significant differences in frame times.
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This is all with a 7950, by the way.
I get that there was a *ton* of testing to be done. Going in depth with the numbers would expand the test to the point that it would be overwhelming. Literally, it would take hundreds of hours to do it.
But, Anandtech knows better, and I'm truly surprised they would put out an article like this without any proper frame time testing.
It's been shown time and time again that CPUs have a significant effect on performance. It just entirely depends on the engine.
Skyrim, a game known to be CPU dependent:
Arkham City, UE3 based which is very CPU dependent:
BF3 Single Player, not CPU dependent at all:
Crysis 2, not very CPU dependent:
Here's Dota 2 and Tribes: Ascend, the prior Source engine, the latter UE3 engine. This is on the same processor, and simply overclocking it with fairly significant differences in frame times.
*edit*
This is all with a 7950, by the way.
shungokusatsu
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So I had some money to blow and decided to order a maxed out Alienware m18x R2. Placed my order on 4/20 and Dell's delayed it three times now, with my new and current delivery date set for 5/17, which they note is NOT a guarantee and further delays should be expected.
They called and left an automated message asking for approval to proceed with the order, giving me the option to cancel. So... trying to make a decision - keep it, or cancel and wait for Haswell and the 700m series and place a new order?
I'm a bit annoyed with the delays given the fortune they charge, so I'm leaning toward canceling.
They called and left an automated message asking for approval to proceed with the order, giving me the option to cancel. So... trying to make a decision - keep it, or cancel and wait for Haswell and the 700m series and place a new order?
I'm a bit annoyed with the delays given the fortune they charge, so I'm leaning toward canceling.
Since you walked into the desktop thread, I'll go ahead and put this out there since someone else definitely will.
Is there a specific reason why you need a laptop instead of a desktop?
In any case, Haswell's big deal is power savings and mobile performance. I definitely would not be buying a new laptop right now.
Is there a specific reason why you need a laptop instead of a desktop?
In any case, Haswell's big deal is power savings and mobile performance. I definitely would not be buying a new laptop right now.
Cancel it. Wait for the new stuff since it's this close.
shungokusatsu
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I've already got a killer i7-3970X desktop with two 690's in quad SLI, this was just more of a money to burn purchase to replace my aging Vaio notebook. I think I'll just cancel it and wait for the fresh offerings they announce at E3.
Quad SLI scaling is terrible. Sale the 690's and go Dual / Triple Titans.
Two Titans will obliterate two 690's for the same price and with less power draw, just an FYI. Quad SLI scaling is atrocious.
I haven't kept up with computer hardware for over a year. I mainly play Starcraft 2 and my Phenom II X4 965BE is showing its age when there are a lot of units on screen
Is it worth upgrading to the 3570k or should I wait for the Haswell chip benchmarks?
Current setup:
PII X4 965BE
HD6870
8GB RAM (1333)
Is it worth upgrading to the 3570k or should I wait for the Haswell chip benchmarks?
Current setup:
PII X4 965BE
HD6870
8GB RAM (1333)
I haven't kept up with computer hardware for over a year. I mainly play Starcraft 2 and my Phenom II X4 965BE is showing its age when there are a lot of units on screen
Is it worth upgrading to the 3570k or should I wait for the Haswell chip benchmarks?
Current setup:
PII X4 965BE
HD6870
8GB RAM (1333)
Your CPU is still good enough so I would wait.
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