I'm just trying to clear up some things about what happens at varying resolutions right now.
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I'm just trying to clear up some things about what happens at varying resolutions right now.
Don't do it. Sell the current 670 and get a 780.
Multi cards are shit and 770/780 will be out in 2-4 weeks.
1st Course
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GTX 680 for $372 (tigerdirect)
Costume cooled GTX 680 for $424 (tigerdirect)
GTX 680 for $469 (Newegg)
Credit goes to the guys at overclock.net.
Costume cooled GTX 680 for $424 (tigerdirect)
GTX 680 for $469 (Newegg)
Credit goes to the guys at overclock.net.
Yeah, I think I will do two ladders. One Firestrike/3DMark, one Heaven 4.0 (that's the newest, right?).Dat title
But you know.... I did spend a fair amount of time on the xspc site yesterday... If only those 580s would sale!
Edit: just looked and the last one went up in Dec 2011. Long time in pc land. I think the heaven and valley benchmarks would be suitable. They're both free with no restrictions whereas the new 3d mark has the more stressful settings locked down doesn't it?
If you're really going to put a new thread up.
The only thing throwing me for a loop is how we would split up the different resolution options on Heaven. Can you run in 1440p on a 1080 monitor?
Also, I'd consider posting up those 580s on OCN. We can do it through my account if you can't post for sale ads yet. I bet they'd get snatched up quick.
ANYONE ON GAF WHO IS IN THE MARKET FOR A NEWER VIDEO CARD, YOU NEED TO BUY SMOKEY'S 580S BECAUSE YOU WON'T FIND A BETTER DEAL ON THE INTERNET.
Celcius
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Could take a month or longer.
AnandTech has put togheter one hell of a in depth article:
"Choosing a Gaming CPU: Multi -GPU at 1440p"
http://anandtech.com/show/6934/choosing-a-gaming-cpu-single-multigpu-at-1440p
"Choosing a Gaming CPU: Multi -GPU at 1440p"
http://anandtech.com/show/6934/choosing-a-gaming-cpu-single-multigpu-at-1440p
mkenyon won't be happy about avg fps being used.
Odd that they didn't have a 3570K either.
Just ordered this http://cdon.se/hemelektronik/thor_a...2x_nvidia_gtx680_-_w7hp_obs_fyndvara-22489849
They have a 50% discount on it. I couldn't resist. It's been used in a gaming tournament but still, only 1,497 bucks instead of 3000. Dayumn.
They have a 50% discount on it. I couldn't resist. It's been used in a gaming tournament but still, only 1,497 bucks instead of 3000. Dayumn.
You have to have 35 reps to list an item in the ocn marketplace.. I only have 7
. That was where I was going to go first. Heaven 4.0 and valley are the two more popular choices.
The easiest way would be to make everybody run a benchmark at the same resolution. A common resolution like 1080p or whatever is decided. Would make sense as those with higher resolution monitors can go down but not the other way around.
Great saving for a beast of a machine that.
At first glace yes.
Unfortunately it's only useful as another confirming data point in the grand scheme of things.
It is NOT useful as any kind of buying guide.
It's a freelancer doing this as a gig by running standard benches and only reporting AVG FPS (Not even minimum / max, or FPS over time, LET ALONE FRAME LATENCY).
I posted it in the thread, but removed it from the OP after review.
It's a freelance guy who used what he had and could borrow.
I guess I should've read the article rather than just jumping to the benches.
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Oh, sorry. I was just addressing the people considering upgrades.
Just jumped on the Microcenter deal and will build an Ivy bridge for my sister instead of going for the haswell.
Its not really the wait, but the huge price difference.
I bought a 3770k plus the asrock Pro4 board for $325 total.
If I were to wait for a 4770k that will retail for ~350, + another 150ish for a mobo, thats almost $500 (assuming there arent any huge deals when during its release window).
A $175 difference for a ~3% performance difference?
Also those saving will go towards her 770 or 780 GPU.
Its not really the wait, but the huge price difference.
I bought a 3770k plus the asrock Pro4 board for $325 total.
If I were to wait for a 4770k that will retail for ~350, + another 150ish for a mobo, thats almost $500 (assuming there arent any huge deals when during its release window).
A $175 difference for a ~3% performance difference?
Also those saving will go towards her 770 or 780 GPU.
As far as I know only the GPU matters with resolution and AA. Turning down resolution in TF2 with my old laptop it was clear I was CPU limited because even in 640x480 the FPS was still dropping to 20-30 in combat.
Some games may be different. Crysis 3 at least is very good at using your GPU and CPU to the fullest and it seems like it doesn't get bottlenecked in the same way other games do. In my experience though resolution only changes GPU load.
Several months to half a year down the line, what do you guys think might be a good first gaming PC? I'm working to save up for a $800 - $1000 gaming PC, and while I know what would be a good gaming PC now, I'm not sure how to change it for the future and next-gen, since that's when I'll actually be able to get one.
At that point, should one just wait for the new Intel CPUs or any new GPUs that AMD might release this year? (either for the new parts themselves, or for price drops on other hardware)
At that point, should one just wait for the new Intel CPUs or any new GPUs that AMD might release this year? (either for the new parts themselves, or for price drops on other hardware)
Price wise nothing will change that I can foresee, not massively. Intel's new stuff is out in a few weeks and as for AMDs GPUs they'll be December for the first wave it seems.
No price drops? I would have thought that the new series of hardware this year might lead to some of the older stuff going down a little in price. Is waiting for any kind of sale a good option when trying to buy every PC part then?
smokeandmirrors
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Alright so I posted about an issue a couple days ago with my video card constantly (read randomly) overheating. Turns out my tower works on its side, but the moment I go to turn it up it overheats the card. Looks like I'll need to replace it.
Had an HD 6850, so I'm assuming the 7850 is the same but newer? I'm not looking for anything remotely expensive, and I figure I can get an opened box one for even cheaper. Any suggestions? Only looking to 'side grade' to replace what I had, really.
Had an HD 6850, so I'm assuming the 7850 is the same but newer? I'm not looking for anything remotely expensive, and I figure I can get an opened box one for even cheaper. Any suggestions? Only looking to 'side grade' to replace what I had, really.
ss_lemonade
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Depends on the game. I guess some games aren't much of an issue at higher resolutions but normally, raising res will place a greater impact on the GPU since it has to process more pixels.
CPU stuff no. Intel keeps prices the same, but you get a new socket, power savings, and ~5% speed boost.
GPU-wise older parts can be a better value vs. new part pricing.
Not sure what you mean. Sounds like you should really dust it out.
Yes, a 7850 will be a great upgrade and what I'd say to replace your 6850 with anyway.
smokeandmirrors
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Been completely dusted. Twice. Screws seated normally. Thermal paste cleaned and reapplied. It's fine when I lay my tower on its side, but when I stand it up normally that's when it automatically goes into overdrive and "overheats". I don't know how to describe it other than the orientation of the card is somehow fucking it up, which is a really weird defect, actually...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007PJTNYS/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I figure I'll spend the extra 20 bucks to get an extra gig. If I didn't want to game (and develop) on my desktop I would wait to purchase a new motherboard and processor, but I figure I can replace it as it goes, and get the new hotness when intel launches soon. And I just replaced my old power supply with a new one at 600w so I should be good either way.
HerbertFish
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Hey guys, some questions from someone who doesn't know what he's doing. My computer is about 5.5 years old now. The internal hd sucks, holding only a 100 gb. Looking to upgrade to at least 500gb. On a budget, so I guess my my main question is is are different hds better than others, or is all just about space? I'd prefer to spend under 100 if possible and will be used from games. Also, will all 2.5 inch internals fit all laptops?
Sounds like your heatpipes / vapor chamber is/are busted.
Get 7870 if you are spending more. Is nVidia more supported? 660 / Ti isn't a bad buy.
All HDDs are eh right now. Buy the 1TB Blue in OP.
Almost all 2.5" internals should fit.
smokeandmirrors
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Gonna have a hard limit of $200, so either 7850 or 660, no Ti though.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00942TK8I/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Or
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007PJTNYS/?tag=neogaf0e-20
No difference in pricing really, though the 660 does come with Metro: Last light but i don't particularly care. I suppose I could trade it away
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Some stuff has been arriving... fun times!
Cheapie SLI adapter since I couldn't find mine and I don't want to splurge on a nice one quiet yet as I may have other plans.
Debating what brand and color of cables to go with.
Cheapie SLI adapter since I couldn't find mine and I don't want to splurge on a nice one quiet yet as I may have other plans.
Debating what brand and color of cables to go with.
So in Europe, time for another drunk scogoth PC post. First you guys fucking awesome. Props to Canada especially. You make my want to pay that extra 1000% tax on WC parts because of your awesomeness. Second I want in on this business, I *swar* my build will be done when I get back. Got my order from lutro0 and Mdpc right before I left so have everything I need to finish.
Smokey. Get wet.
Mkenyon. Get grey.
Kennah. Get compact.
That is all.
HerbertFish
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Can you link me? I'm blind not seeing it.
smokeandmirrors
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Wait all 7850 and 7870 cards come with Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, and Far Cry 3?!
Guess I'll go with either or. I guess the extra $30 will be worth it, performance wise to go from 7850 -> 7870?
7870 it is. With mail in rebate it is $25 more expensive. Plus I actually want Bioshock infinite anyway so that figuratively cuts the price down a bit too.
Guess I'll go with either or. I guess the extra $30 will be worth it, performance wise to go from 7850 -> 7870?
7870 it is. With mail in rebate it is $25 more expensive. Plus I actually want Bioshock infinite anyway so that figuratively cuts the price down a bit too.
So i'm trying to build my first gaming pc (using pcpartpicker place), and I have a build set up but i'd like to try to get it under $1200 (really id like to get it around $1000, but i'll spend $1200 on it. The only thing I have is a mouse, so i'm working from scratch and I've never done this before so any suggestions or help (or cheaper alternatives to the things i picked that should still be pretty good) would be appreciated.
I guess my goal is to have a pc that can play a game like witcher 2 and planetside 2 (one of the games on steam i own) at high settings, and be able to have good performance for the upcoming rome total war 2 game
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XOjH
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XOjH/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XOjH/benchmarks/
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($194.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9500 AT Ball Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($124.03 @ NCIX US)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP600 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate SV35.5 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.49 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($269.99 @ NCIX US)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N180UBE 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($19.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-B9-1600 37.8 CFM 92mm Fan ($19.98 @ Outlet PC)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($88.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG UH12NS29 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($16.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $1396.32
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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I guess my goal is to have a pc that can play a game like witcher 2 and planetside 2 (one of the games on steam i own) at high settings, and be able to have good performance for the upcoming rome total war 2 game
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XOjH
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XOjH/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XOjH/benchmarks/
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($194.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9500 AT Ball Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($124.03 @ NCIX US)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP600 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate SV35.5 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.49 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($269.99 @ NCIX US)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N180UBE 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($19.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-B9-1600 37.8 CFM 92mm Fan ($19.98 @ Outlet PC)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($88.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG UH12NS29 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($16.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $1396.32
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-16 23:37 EDT-0400)
Celcius
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Drink another Pills for me!
Instead of posting the thread about racing computers and posting pics, I made some progress on my build and took some pics.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Absolutely beautiful pics! Loving your build so far - and I know a lot of thought and care is going into every decision. I know it's gonna turn out great.
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In continuing with my theme of getting "No Expense Spared, But No Money Wasted" - I struggle finding a set of sleeved wires to purchase. I want things to look nice, and I really love the Modright I purchased after inspecting it closely. However, online it seems all the cables have that shrink stuff at the end; and Microcenter only had this one type of cable (which doesn't have the shrink stuff). I'm surprised you're ditching the MDPC sleeving, Mkenyon. The MDPC stuff is beautiful, though too rich and too time consuming for my blood. The Corsair stuff looks nice, and is a killer deal; but again, has funny looking ends, IMO. I guess that's what I have to deal with if I'm not gonna go all out?
After thinking things more thoroughly, I think I'm gonna forgo a standard HDD entirely. Yeah, having my entire library on my computer is nice... but what's the point, really? I can always re-download (for most the stuff). So I'm thinking I'm gonna flip out my current 128GB with a 256GB for OS/Boot/junk, and then use the 480 for games - and that's it.
Still going back and forth on the water cooling. I'm *definitely* going to do the Swiftech H220 CPU cooler at the very least. More gutsy, and I do a custom loop. Even more gutsy, and I do a loop for the CPU and both GPUs.
In regard to the cooling - If I do go all out, I think I'm pretty set an an almost entirely EK setup. 360 rad on top. 240 rad in front. CPU cooler and 2 gpu coolers. Pump... .... somewhere. And then a single 5.25 reservoir bay. Everything black. Then matte black tubing. Shiny red monsoon compression fittings. Sure would be sexy.
As for motherboard, I gotta do something either all black or black/red but the red matches the interior of the V7. I think I'm gonna end up being the guy dragging his empty case to Microcenter in an effort to color coordinate like it's Home Depot.
Case should be here tomorrow!
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In continuing with my theme of getting "No Expense Spared, But No Money Wasted" - I struggle finding a set of sleeved wires to purchase. I want things to look nice, and I really love the Modright I purchased after inspecting it closely. However, online it seems all the cables have that shrink stuff at the end; and Microcenter only had this one type of cable (which doesn't have the shrink stuff). I'm surprised you're ditching the MDPC sleeving, Mkenyon. The MDPC stuff is beautiful, though too rich and too time consuming for my blood. The Corsair stuff looks nice, and is a killer deal; but again, has funny looking ends, IMO. I guess that's what I have to deal with if I'm not gonna go all out?
After thinking things more thoroughly, I think I'm gonna forgo a standard HDD entirely. Yeah, having my entire library on my computer is nice... but what's the point, really? I can always re-download (for most the stuff). So I'm thinking I'm gonna flip out my current 128GB with a 256GB for OS/Boot/junk, and then use the 480 for games - and that's it.
Still going back and forth on the water cooling. I'm *definitely* going to do the Swiftech H220 CPU cooler at the very least. More gutsy, and I do a custom loop. Even more gutsy, and I do a loop for the CPU and both GPUs.
In regard to the cooling - If I do go all out, I think I'm pretty set an an almost entirely EK setup. 360 rad on top. 240 rad in front. CPU cooler and 2 gpu coolers. Pump... .... somewhere. And then a single 5.25 reservoir bay. Everything black. Then matte black tubing. Shiny red monsoon compression fittings. Sure would be sexy.
As for motherboard, I gotta do something either all black or black/red but the red matches the interior of the V7. I think I'm gonna end up being the guy dragging his empty case to Microcenter in an effort to color coordinate like it's Home Depot.
Case should be here tomorrow!
I said damn! This is gonna be really slick.
Need help, Gaf.
Friend bought one of these...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130601
and we have no idea what he needs to keep it cool/work. Does he need a whole cooling system? Or is it already able to cool itself with the water block or whatever?
Friend bought one of these...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130601
and we have no idea what he needs to keep it cool/work. Does he need a whole cooling system? Or is it already able to cool itself with the water block or whatever?
If you want to start small, I'd advise an XSPC kit for value (it will perform as good/better than EK), or if you are set on EK aesthetics, then a D5 pump, res, 240 rad, and CPU block. The EK tubing is really nice and sounds like it is what you want. I can throw a cart together for you with options if you'd like as well.
Sleeving yourself is a bitch. I've spent ~20 hours just trying to get the 24 pin cable right. The reason why I go with the corsair cables is that the entire cable is sleeved. No messy extensions or transitions. Plus they are actually really cheap in comparison.
Also, remember you can always paint motherboard blocks. You just need good paint. Check out MTN Paints.
You need a full custom loop. Radiator, fittings, tubing, pump, reservoir.
Pop. alotta. pain pills
about to put rims on mah skate.board wheels. yah
lol
thats how scogoth is feeling right now. living life
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I've been reading impressions everywhere, and I can't seem to find a clear cut winner between XSPC and EK - only that they're the most commonly referenced. I suppose I'm not dead-set on either - if you think XSPC is a better buy, I'd definitely consider it. I do definitely want to stick with the EK tubing, as from what little I can find online - they have the only acceptable matte black stuff.
Alrighty then... full custom loop it is. Let's start with just the CPU, but plan on possibly going onto the GPUs in mid-July when I should get my Q2 bonus. Plus, that let's me determine if I want to stick with the two 670s or go back to a single card and do a 780 before investing.
So with that said, what would you go with in the two situations: 1) Getting nice stuff but only worrying about the CPU for now; and 2) Getting everything purchased and fully ready to go so that I only need to add an extra radiator and GPU blocks when the time comes. .... Is there a difference?
I will say, though - I'd rather get the 360 radiator now. While probably overkill, I'd prefer to mount ontop my case now and use that space fully. And then I'll add the 240 later on the front.
Thanks!
Oh... and also ... 20hrs on a single cable is ridiculous! The Corsair stuff still looks really nice, and like you said - comparatively, it's a steal.
I'll put some options together for you tomorrow morn. tl;dr, you want to start right. If you spend $50 on a low end pump, then you just end up replacing it with the $80 option down the line, losing the $50.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I 100% agree with that assessment. Like I mentioned, I'm willing to spend what it takes - but I don't want to waste money. I'm willing to pay for that increase in speed, quality, warranty, etc... but eventually I begin to see diminishing returns, and that's what I want to avoid.
Thanks for your help!
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