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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 1. Haswell, Crysis 3, and secret fairy sauce. Read da OP
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mkenyon. You need to reconsider the Mdpc sleeving, yes it's a*lot* of work but for a build that meticulous it's definitely the way to go. If not for the higher quality sleeving then for the custom length cables.
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Fatal Futanari
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PC GAF!
I has a few Q's for ya!
-I keep debating between the ASUS Rampage IV Gene and the ASUS Sabertooth X79. Any thoughts to sway me to one? (I'm getting a i7-3930K if that helps)
-Does anyone happen the know the sound quality of those boards? I'm no audiophile but I'm playing on hooking up speakers (probably klipsch 2.1 speakers for now) and decent headphones (high-end VModa, Ultrasone, Denon, etc.).
-Keyboards! I can't seem to find the right keyboard for me. I am looking for a mechanical keyboard but one that also has a backlight. I loved the Tt eSPORTS MEKA G-Unit but sadly it only has "selective backlighting" on the keys. My next contender is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Stealth 2013 (heard these use brown keys?). Can anyone recommend any other keyboards?
-Also...how is Seagate QA hold up these days on their HDDs? I am shocked how cheaper they are compared to WDs
I'd like to know this as well since my future location is up in the air at the moment.
I has a few Q's for ya!
-I keep debating between the ASUS Rampage IV Gene and the ASUS Sabertooth X79. Any thoughts to sway me to one? (I'm getting a i7-3930K if that helps)
-Does anyone happen the know the sound quality of those boards? I'm no audiophile but I'm playing on hooking up speakers (probably klipsch 2.1 speakers for now) and decent headphones (high-end VModa, Ultrasone, Denon, etc.).
-Keyboards! I can't seem to find the right keyboard for me. I am looking for a mechanical keyboard but one that also has a backlight. I loved the Tt eSPORTS MEKA G-Unit but sadly it only has "selective backlighting" on the keys. My next contender is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Stealth 2013 (heard these use brown keys?). Can anyone recommend any other keyboards?
-Also...how is Seagate QA hold up these days on their HDDs? I am shocked how cheaper they are compared to WDs
I'd like to know this as well since my future location is up in the air at the moment.
Noisy Ninj4
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Your main options here are
1. Ship the PC to wherever you are headed. Package it like a retailer would.
2. Pack your PC+monitor in boxes w/ packaging material and place them in checked luggage.
In either case, you're spending money to get this stuff from point a to point b, just a matter of pricing and convenience.
EDIT: Typically, one does not need to take apart a PC to transport it. Be careful of any bits that are fragile and stick out, though (exterior fans or whatever). If you can remove those and pack them safely, you'd best do so.
In recent memory, Seagate HDDs have taken a noticeable plunge in quality after they acquired Maxtor (known in the past for their cheap and unreliable drives). If I recall correctly, WD got hit the worst during the Taiwan Flood-induced Hard Drive shortage of 2011. They're still recovering a bit from that and their drive prices reflect that.
I find WD blacks remain pretty much the best consumer drives out there. But that's just my (probably outdated) view.
Fatal Futanari
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Hmm alright, seems like nothing has changed then. I was my view as well.
I see, thanks. Would it not be possible to, assuming the tower fits, stick it in a luggage with clothes around it and bring it as carry on? I'd rather not check in expensive items if I can avoid it.
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HammerOfThor
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So RAM prices are going up right?
I'm thinking I should buy my RAM now even though I'm doing a mid to late summer build.
I'm thinking I should buy my RAM now even though I'm doing a mid to late summer build.
It is yeah http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/trends/memory/ If you see a good deal now I would say snap it up.
Could try the CM Storm Trigger?
appaws
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I guess I'll put in my two cents even though I am a Chicagoan and you have an evil Packers avatar. Go Bears!
If you are looking to cut out a few things I think you will be able to.
1. This is a desktop, so you can cut out the wi-fi adapter, just plug it in...performance is better that way. -$20
2. You need to get the 3570 "k" processor, so you can overclock...Also, we are so close to Haswell you should probably wait a few weeks and go that route. +$20
3. Do you need Blu-Ray? Do you need an optical drive at all? If so, save 20 bucks and go with the vanilla Asus model. -$20
4. Why the 92mm case fan? Drop that. I assume that case comes with some fans, and you will figure out if you need more later. -$20
5. Instead of going for that very small SSD now, just drop it off and wait a while until you can afford to get a bigger one. -$40
6. RAM. If this is mostly a gaming PC, then you could just drop down to 8GB of ram and add more later if you need it. Just grab a good (2x4GB) of low-profile ram. I just looked at Newegg and that is about $65. -$60
So I just knocked off 140 bucks. You are on the right track. My advice: Wait a few weeks for Haswell/Z87 and study the OP like the Torah.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Purchased a power supply!
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00608MP5E/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Seasonic Platinum 860 - fully modular. Seems like a great unit that should be more than enough for two GPUs and a decent overclock.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00608MP5E/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Seasonic Platinum 860 - fully modular. Seems like a great unit that should be more than enough for two GPUs and a decent overclock.
I went comp fittings on my last rebuild.
I really liked the Monsoon fittings. They work really really well without killing your fingers. This one though I'm using push fittings and 10mm copper pipe. No tubing.
I hate to be a negative nancy, but there's a really high rate of coil whine with that specific model. Also, no going with the Corsair cables if you were thinking about that route.
Alright, for your options.
CPU Block
Pick out EK Supremacy or LTX block of your choice. The LTX performs on par with the Supremacy for socket 1150/1155. The Supremacy takes a lead with 1366/2011. It's pretty much a choice of aesthetics.
Radiator
Pump
Res/Pump Top
What I'd suggest here is either go with the EK X-Res 140, or if you wanted the Bay Spin Res then mount it on the roof. The LD PC-V7 has rails along the top and front that allows installation of 5.25" devices. Then you just add the D5 X-Top as the next stop after the reservoir outlet. Using gravity as your friend here will make sure the pump is properly fed and increase performance. You can get the X-Top in Black/White/Clear, though I linked the clear.
Tubing
EK-Tube, and I'd go ahead and get 10 feet. That allows redos and screwups, which are known to happen on the first build.
Fittings
90 and 45 degree fittings are your friend. The EK ones are pretty good, and will definitely work with the theme you already have going. You'll want 16/10mm compression fittings (also sold as 3/8" ID x 5/8" OD). If you go with the X-Res, you'll want 6. If you go with the bay res and X-Top, you'll want 8.
The angle adapters exist to make tubing tidier, and though they are expensive, it's really the difference between a clean build and something that looks like it could be a shrine to Cthulhu. I'd actually suggest getting the case and parts first, lining everything up, and seeing what can go where. Or, just open up paint and do a quick sketch of how your loop will run, and you can get a good idea of what fittings you'll need. It will vary based on whether you go with the X-Res or Bay Res. We can go over this later once you've nailed down your options.
The angle adapters exist to make tubing tidier, and though they are expensive, it's really the difference between a clean build and something that looks like it could be a shrine to Cthulhu. I'd actually suggest getting the case and parts first, lining everything up, and seeing what can go where. Or, just open up paint and do a quick sketch of how your loop will run, and you can get a good idea of what fittings you'll need. It will vary based on whether you go with the X-Res or Bay Res. We can go over this later once you've nailed down your options.
Fans
Really depends how much you want to spend. You could go with the red versions of the Noiseblocker e-Loops on the high end, Corsair SP 120 Quiet Editions, or even something as simple as Yate Loon med/low RPM versions.
As noted, the AX860 and Seasonic X860 have really high rates of coil whine. It's to the point where'd I'd actually recommend the Flextronics over it.
AX860 also has many reports of that. I thought I had read though for Seasonic's variant they had sorted it.
I thought they had fixed it at this stage but it seems to be still happening http://www.overclock.net/t/1264890/official-seasonic-platinum-series-owners-club/550
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Awesome! Thank you for all the details - looks like I have a good deal of browsing/research to do this weekend. At first glance, though, my amateur self likes everything you've picked out.
Quick question: The reservoir top - I've Googled; but want to be sure I "get it." Basically it allows you to attach your pump to the reservoir, correct? I had seen before purchasing the V7 that it had the 5.25 roof fittings, which I really liked. I had originally fallen in love with such an idea after looking at the Caselabs accessories system. But like you said - I think I want to really think out my build before buying; as I don't know how much I'll like a random reservoir sitting up there unless it's well hidden.
I definitely don't mind splurging on the angle adapters if it makes things prettier. And I'm glad to hear you like the Monsoons as compression fittings, as they're easily my favorite looking.
I'm at work so can't really look too much - but looks like I'm looking at about $575 + shipping without the GPU blocks. A bit pricey, for sure - but like you said - it'll look great, run great (5Ghz on Haswell, maybe?), and other than GPU blocks I can continue using it for years to come.
Oh - and I included the fans - I *love* the looks of those; and reviews seem really good. Are they pretty much the best you can buy? Should I plan to do a push/pull or is one set of fans (3 for the radiator) sufficient?
Thanks again!
EDIT: Oh, and as for the Seasonic - it's 2 months old with a warranty and receipt from NewEgg. I purchased it off a high-feedback seller on another forum for $130. I asked him how the coil wine was - and he said it's there if everything else is silent; but with a couple fans on low it's near-impossible to discern. Figured I'd take the chance and find out for myself. Worst case, I can probably sell it for what I paid and just pick up a Corsair at Microcenter in a pinch.
Which, though - leads me to another question. I did know it as I was looking last night; but why are those Corsair cables only good on certain Corsair PSUs? Aren't they universal? Am I going to run into an issue using 3rd party cables on my powersupply?
Noisy Ninj4
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Possible? Maybe, but unless you have a small form factor PC you'll have some fun packing the thing much less lugging the it around. That assumes it's small enough that the airline will allow it to go on board with you.
This is the reason I usually prefer to use shipping for this. You can have it sent to any place you need (like your hotel, or whatever) for about the same price as checking it and it's typically treated better.
Thanks to everyone who helped me with choosing the best parts for a PC and to mkenyon for suggesting the initial ultimate build, it helped a lot.
This is what I bought (each is linked to the page where I bought it from with full specs):
Motherboard - Asus Rampage IV Extreme
Processor - Intel Core i7 3930K 3.20GHz Socket 2011 12MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Graphics card - Asus GTX TITAN 6GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
RAM - Kingston Hyper X 32GB 2133MHz DDR3 CL11 DIMM (Kit of 4) XMP Beast Series
Drive - Asus Bluray BD Combo SATA BC-12B1ST Black
Water cooler - Corsair Hydro Series H100i Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
SSD - Neutron Series Gtx 240gb 2.5 Inch Sata 3 6gb/s Solid State Drive x 2 (480 GB - will raid 0 it)
SSD #2 - Corsair Storage Solutions 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk Drive Force Series GS (SSD) 560MB/s Read 535MB/s Write fast Toggle NAND
Hard drive - Seagate 3TB Barracuda Hard Drive - 3.5" SATA-III - 7200RPM 64MB Cache
PSU - Fractal Design Tesla 1000W 80 Plus Gold PSU
Case - NZXT Phantom 820 Matte Black Case ---- images of the top ---- direct image of the two sides on the top
Total: £2984.74 ($4528.45).
Images of the case (from Google):
This is what I bought (each is linked to the page where I bought it from with full specs):
Motherboard - Asus Rampage IV Extreme
Processor - Intel Core i7 3930K 3.20GHz Socket 2011 12MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Graphics card - Asus GTX TITAN 6GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
RAM - Kingston Hyper X 32GB 2133MHz DDR3 CL11 DIMM (Kit of 4) XMP Beast Series
Drive - Asus Bluray BD Combo SATA BC-12B1ST Black
Water cooler - Corsair Hydro Series H100i Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
SSD - Neutron Series Gtx 240gb 2.5 Inch Sata 3 6gb/s Solid State Drive x 2 (480 GB - will raid 0 it)
SSD #2 - Corsair Storage Solutions 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk Drive Force Series GS (SSD) 560MB/s Read 535MB/s Write fast Toggle NAND
Hard drive - Seagate 3TB Barracuda Hard Drive - 3.5" SATA-III - 7200RPM 64MB Cache
PSU - Fractal Design Tesla 1000W 80 Plus Gold PSU
Case - NZXT Phantom 820 Matte Black Case ---- images of the top ---- direct image of the two sides on the top
Total: £2984.74 ($4528.45).
Images of the case (from Google):
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Got a new FW prompt for my 840 pro, I know it's recommended to backup data but it's not necessary correct?
I thought the data migration SW would help but it's only good for SSD to SSD transfer.
I thought the data migration SW would help but it's only good for SSD to SSD transfer.
Pump top - You simply connect the pump to the top. There are combo res/tops like the X-Res that I linked. If you go with the bay reservoir, then you have a tube that goes from the reservoir out to the pump top inlet. The reservoir needs to be above the pump top as the D5 pumps need gravity in their favor to work properly.
This is a bit pricey, which is why I was suggesting the XSPC stuff as a good alternative. The Raystorm D5 kit comes with everything. It has cheap fans and the tubing is bleh, but at $300 it's still a crazy good deal.
The Noiseblocker eLoops are pretty much the bees knees when it comes to fans. I mean, look at the beauties.
The Corsair cables only work with Corsair PSUs. The other cables you are looking at are simply extensions, which means you plug them into the end of the standard cables that come with your PSU. You can not plug extensions into the PSU itself.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Welp, don't know how I never put that together, lol. Guess the PSU will be going right back onto a marketplace somewhere. I don't want to have a lot of bunched up extra cable underneath. Now I get it - Looks like Corsair it is - unless you have another recommendation. From your post last night, though, it seems the Corsair is your best bet unless you want to drop serious coin.
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Those fans are gorgeous. Yeah, I saw your BLD log and assumed they must be great. If they're really good - I'll probably pull the trigger tonight on a seven of them. 3x for radiator on top; 2x for eventual radiator on front, 1x for exhaust, and 1x as a spare.
I do like that XSPC Raystorm kit's price tag. In your honest opinion, am I missing out on much quality. Doesn't sound like it, but I want to be sure. I would, though, replace the tubing & compression fittings - and the fans - in an effort to keep my theme going. Haven't crunched the numbers on the net savings after doing that.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Went ahead with a backup and then update on my 840 pro. Some of the best results I've had since I got the drive. Especially in the reads....
FW update went without a hitch and everything is normal.
FW update went without a hitch and everything is normal.
First Benchmarks of GTX 780 are out.
Looks like Titan is better by ~10fps in Farcry 3 at least.
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-benchmarks-unveiled-20-improvement-geforce-gtx-680/
Looks like Titan is better by ~10fps in Farcry 3 at least.
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-benchmarks-unveiled-20-improvement-geforce-gtx-680/
Wafflecakes
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Hey all.
So I am kind of a PC noob. I had a friend build me a PC a little over a year ago (all AMD.... he is a fan). I am looking to add a SSD since my PC feels sluggish (even after a full reset and windows re-install).
Is there a "for dummies" guide to doing so? Any advice on a specific SSD I should get? I am not looking for anything too high end, just enough to improve performance.
So I am kind of a PC noob. I had a friend build me a PC a little over a year ago (all AMD.... he is a fan). I am looking to add a SSD since my PC feels sluggish (even after a full reset and windows re-install).
Is there a "for dummies" guide to doing so? Any advice on a specific SSD I should get? I am not looking for anything too high end, just enough to improve performance.
Pick one of the ones from the OP. Do a fresh install. Follow the SSD tweaks in the OP.
Wafflecakes
Member
Pick one of the ones from the OP. Do a fresh install. Follow the SSD tweaks in the OP.
Yeah read that. Just nervous since I NEVER work on PC's. Not sure how idiot proof the stuff in the OP is.
Wafflecakes
Member
Yeah I did the re install.
Good to know that it is a fairly simple process. Will give it a shot.
Alright, I'll see what size PC I end up with and go from there. There will be a FedEx near where I'm staying anyways; just hope shipping internationally doesn't kill me ha.
Wafflecakes
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Last question (for now) in the OP it lists the Samsung 830 SSD drive. I assume it is alright to go with the 840?
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
The 840 is actually a step back from the 830 in terms of longetivity - but for the average consumer, it probably won't make much of a difference. The 840 Pro though is technically better.
Yeah, Corsair AX660/760/860 are the same PSUs as Seasonic X660/760/860. I have a proposal for you, though. I'll PM.
Welp, don't know how I never put that together, lol. Guess the PSU will be going right back onto a marketplace somewhere. I don't want to have a lot of bunched up extra cable underneath. Now I get it - Looks like Corsair it is - unless you have another recommendation. From your post last night, though, it seems the Corsair is your best bet unless you want to drop serious coin.
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Those fans are gorgeous. Yeah, I saw your BLD log and assumed they must be great. If they're really good - I'll probably pull the trigger tonight on a seven of them. 3x for radiator on top; 2x for eventual radiator on front, 1x for exhaust, and 1x as a spare.
I do like that XSPC Raystorm kit's price tag. In your honest opinion, am I missing out on much quality. Doesn't sound like it, but I want to be sure. I would, though, replace the tubing & compression fittings - and the fans - in an effort to keep my theme going. Haven't crunched the numbers on the net savings after doing that.
*edit*
Also, I'd say EK and XSPC are right on par in terms of quality. Like almost everything in the watercooling world, it's simply a choice of aesthetics.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
PM replied to!
Alrighty - I'm gonna take a thorough look tonight/tomorrow. Hopefully by the end of the weekend I can have a good list ready to go and you can tell me what you think.
Fatal Futanari
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Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Just got a text that UPS dropped this big ol' box off a few moments ago.
*fap fap fap fap*
Pre mature fapulation. Supposed to fap to all the gratuitous unpacking photos!
Goodbye Lightnings . Dem feels
why is this not opened
. Dem feelsJust got a text that UPS dropped this big ol' box off a few moments ago.
why is this not opened
Hawk269
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Just got a text that UPS dropped this big ol' box off a few moments ago.
Man I remember when I first started my Water Cooling adventures with Mkenyon constantly helping via PM's. I think I was getting packages from FrozenCpu once a week because I kept ordering more and more things. Love opening those boxes.
And Mkenyon, those Eloop fans are fantastic. I moved to them a few months ago and love them.
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