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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 1. 1080p and 60FPS is so last-gen and your 2500K is fine
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Reports say that broadwell was pushed back to Q2 2015 instead of Q1 if I am not mistaken and Devil's Canyon will only be presented at computex with the actual chips being available at retail in September
Has that actually been confirmed by Intel?
michaelius
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Nodes are awesome - after seeing Node 804 I'm tempted to ditch my Raven 2 and make my next pc a fully water cooled m-atx build inside it
Prophet Steve
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I think so. I am waiting for benchmarks for Watch Dogs though, see how well the 2500K does. I think what happens is that hyper-threading is making a difference, and based on Ubisofts statements they are saying: "See, everything was true, you need an i7 for this!"
While that was only for the highest settings. The trouble is the 4670K isn't all that more powerful so if even that wouldn't run the game well, in a normal consumer range you would have only one CPU available that would run the game well. At that point I would blame the port rather than the configuration.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Computex is in just over a week's time. You should get the answers then.
michaelius
Banned
Sounds like serious bullshit - there's 10-15% diffrence in IPC to Haswell from Sandy. So if 2500k was dead than any i5 would be dead.
No its not! I have that one and run watch dogs at Ultra (also 8gb ram and r9280x) at 40/60fps. WD is a really bad optimized game, just looks at random problems with the game for the most people in that thread...
That thread is really fucking stupid.
Buy another (same if possible) 3x2GB kit so you maintain triple channel
adamantypants
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Ubisoft is just... don't trust their PC game ports of anything. I don't have the exact quote but I recall some Ubi rep saying that when their game wasn't running well they basically just threw more hardware at it instead of, you know, making it run better.
edit: found the link.
http://www.videogamer.com/pc/assass..._ac4_pc_optimisation_proud_of_pc_version.html
edit: found the link.
http://www.videogamer.com/pc/assass..._ac4_pc_optimisation_proud_of_pc_version.html
If you don't mind me asking, was there a particular reason to move from the Compact Splash? It looks like a neat case but if it's noisy I'd pass
Also because it's quite expensive, did you find it worth it? I'm wanting a small case to sometimes take to a lan but otherwise be as quiet as I can make it.
edit: oh nevermind, despite the website having them available, OCN says they're sold out :/
Is there a way to have the memory paging file on my second harddrive and not my SSD? I am still getting low memory errors and I am suspecting that it is because I have it practically disabled due to me not wanting to wear down my SSD. I've never had this issue before in my old computer with a HDD and I do the exact same thing as I did on that.
eso76
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that's a good start.
Same specs obviously, also same manufacturer ?
also, this is what my ram looks like, 3x
Type DDR3
Size 2048 MBytes
Manufacturer Corsair
Max Bandwidth PC3-10700H (667 MHz)
Part Number CM3X2G1600C8D
SPD Ext. XMP
Anything wrong with those numbers ?
Part number seems to indicate it's the corsair dominator kit, not sure because i bought this PC assembled from a friend
michaelius
Banned
Put it on SSD and stop pointlessly worrying about ssd wear
edit: Google for ssd endurance test because for some weird reason that website is banned.
eBay Huckster
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alternately just throw it into a url shortener
e: also yeah, the basic gist of that test is "you are almost certainly never coming close to writing enough to your SSD to legitimately need to worry about wear" (or at least never coming close before you replace the SSD entirely)
A card like that will be fine.
Refurb 7870 isn't that good a deal. Brand new R9 270 for $155 plus free games http://www.ncixus.com/products/?usa...=CGAX-R927614&manufacture=Club3D&promoid=1069
Any claims that the 2500K is "dead" are complete lies.
Sword Of Doom
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yeah like something out of Resogun
edit* Threw out the hard drive in my sister's computer and installed an SSD. Never realized most PC noise is from the hard drive.
Absolutely worth it.If you don't mind me asking, was there a particular reason to move from the Compact Splash? It looks like a neat case but if it's noisy I'd pass
Also because it's quite expensive, did you find it worth it? I'm wanting a small case to sometimes take to a lan but otherwise be as quiet as I can make it.
edit: oh nevermind, despite the website having them available, OCN says they're sold out :/
I'm putting it away because I'm lending my i7 to a friend and my splash isn't 'done' (still need parts for my full loop thus the hard drives sit loose inside) and the first run cases have paint that is easily scratched.
It's certainly a niche product but as you can see in the pics - way smaller than anything out there.
That said. Something like the Node or other small case might be better for LAN, unless you feel like taking the chances transporting a fully watercooled computer... It's also steel so pretty heavy.
#1 defender
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Help me PC Gaf!
I'm building what would presumably be a mid-range gaming PC as a gift for my 14 yo nephew. For the GPU i want to get either an FX-8320 or an I5 4670K. I would also like to include an 128GB SSD, but i'm on a tight budget and already went a good deal higher than i expected. Obviously the I5 costs a good deal more, so if i get that then the SSD is out of the question. For a PC that would mostly be used for gaming, should i rather take the I5 4670K, or the FX-8320 plus the SSD? Obviously the SSD won't mitigate any difference in processing power, but would faster loading times be a good trade off for whatever difference there is between these two processors?
I'm building what would presumably be a mid-range gaming PC as a gift for my 14 yo nephew. For the GPU i want to get either an FX-8320 or an I5 4670K. I would also like to include an 128GB SSD, but i'm on a tight budget and already went a good deal higher than i expected. Obviously the I5 costs a good deal more, so if i get that then the SSD is out of the question. For a PC that would mostly be used for gaming, should i rather take the I5 4670K, or the FX-8320 plus the SSD? Obviously the SSD won't mitigate any difference in processing power, but would faster loading times be a good trade off for whatever difference there is between these two processors?
Sword Of Doom
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IMO that case is way too expensive. It's pretty though
Go with the i5. You can always add an SSD later.
Mine is one of the first run (which were $100 cheaper) and part of the expense is buying the 'story'. I think of it as owning a piece of artisanal craft. I've had lots of contact with the designer and the case that I own was one of the ones that had full customization options.
In the end yeah a lot of cash. But it gives me something to talk about other than my kids
I'd unquestionably go for the 4670K. What's the budget for it?
Objectively Bad Opinion
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Watch_Dogs isn't even properly out yet and people are still calling it unoptimized.
There's a launch day patch for the game and driver update for both AMD and Nvidia still in store. So please save the vitriol until then. I get that people want to discuss it, but come on. Does nobody else feel that performance thread is a little premature?
There's a launch day patch for the game and driver update for both AMD and Nvidia still in store. So please save the vitriol until then. I get that people want to discuss it, but come on. Does nobody else feel that performance thread is a little premature?
Sword Of Doom
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Mine is one of the first run (which were $100 cheaper) and part of the expense is buying the 'story'. I think of it as owning a piece of artisanal craft. I've had lots of contact with the designer and the case that I own was one of the ones that had full customization options.
In the end yeah a lot of cash. But it gives me something to talk about other than my kids
So the maker doesn't customize per order anymore?
I have to keep trying to stay out of that thread. It's a painful read at times.
If there is a launch day driver update, sure.
Athreous
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Hi Gaf! I really need your help!
I'm having some slowdown problems playing Diablo 3 with my current setup...
When the screen is full with mobs and players using their skills, my fps drops to 20-10 even 2 fps...
But when i'm sitting in a place, or playing alone, it stays at 60-50 fps
I want to upgrade my PC so I can play it without any slowdown at all, no matter how many mobs/players are playing with me...
I have:
Phenom X4 965 BE 3.4ghz
Geforce GTX 680 2gb
8gb DDR 3 1333 Kingston
Corsair GS 700 Powersupply
120gb SSD Corsair
2TB Seagate HD
Windows 8.1 (I had the same slowdown problem with 7)
I'm having some slowdown problems playing Diablo 3 with my current setup...
When the screen is full with mobs and players using their skills, my fps drops to 20-10 even 2 fps...
But when i'm sitting in a place, or playing alone, it stays at 60-50 fps
I want to upgrade my PC so I can play it without any slowdown at all, no matter how many mobs/players are playing with me...
I have:
Phenom X4 965 BE 3.4ghz
Geforce GTX 680 2gb
8gb DDR 3 1333 Kingston
Corsair GS 700 Powersupply
120gb SSD Corsair
2TB Seagate HD
Windows 8.1 (I had the same slowdown problem with 7)
Sword Of Doom
Member
Yeah it is premature and even after the game launches they'll have issues they'll patch out like they did with AC4
IIRC Diablo 3 has slowdowns like that in most setups.
michaelius
Banned
I remember general advice for Diablo 3 was to instal it on SSD if it's not there already.
Long story. Only the first 50 were able to be ordered customized. Of that 50, 20 were made by one manufacturer but it ended up taking too long/cases arrived damaged so he had to move to a different manufacturer for the rest.
So to help pay for the problems with the original 50 another batch of 50 were ordered but instead of each individual case being customizable (colour, io, fillport, etc) the options were limited (three colours instead of any, limited availablilty on the different models). The second run was more expensive but way better built and powder coat painted instead of spray painted and other such stuff.
The case isn't perfect. But what it was designed to do (cpu+Gpu water loop in the smallest possible formfactor) it does very well - to the point that air cooling performance is sacrificed.
It'd be worth overclocking your CPU if you haven't done so already too.
Sword Of Doom
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Ok I see. It's pretty neat to be able to actually have a water system for such a small PC
Yep. And that's the whole point of the case
Adding a few questions to my pervious unanswered questions. I have Windows 7 is it necessary to upgrade to 8? Also, is PCPartPicker the place to go to find the cheapest deals or should I do some leg work and manually look at Newegg, amazon and tiger direct?
If you already have windows 7 it isn't really worth upgrading right now. Pcpartspicker is ok but yeah still worth manually searching.
Edit. Make sure you are signed up for new eggs flyer. They email promo codes that aren't always relayed at other places.
Help PLZ.
This is the build I'm going with minus the CPU, I'll be waiting for the new ones.
but it says most cases I chose are not compatible cause they do not have front USB ports. is it due to the the z97 motherboard? can anyone tell me if this is a good case or can find a better one.
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Qejf
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Qejf/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Qejf/benchmarks/
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($223.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.94 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($158.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.23 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Tri-X Video Card ($549.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Grey ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX750B BRONZE 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1162.11
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-25 13:55 EDT-0400)
This is the build I'm going with minus the CPU, I'll be waiting for the new ones.
but it says most cases I chose are not compatible cause they do not have front USB ports. is it due to the the z97 motherboard? can anyone tell me if this is a good case or can find a better one.
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Qejf
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Qejf/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Qejf/benchmarks/
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($223.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.94 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($158.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.23 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Tri-X Video Card ($549.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Grey ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX750B BRONZE 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1162.11
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-25 13:55 EDT-0400)
Perfect Cha0s
Member
Thanks. I got some more details so I've had to change some things around. We're trying to keep the budget around $550, but he needs a monitor and keyboard as well. He said he's not really looking to max anything out, so I'm thinking this 19" 1600x900 paired with an R7 250 will be alright. I might change some things around and go up to a 260X, but I don't think it's necessary at that resolution.
Nostremitus
Member
Edit: misread your post.
Case is fine. It's probably just because most cases are now starting to have only USB3.0 ports on the front and no USB2.0, which is likely flagging PCPartPicker as not having any ports. The board has front USB3.0 support so no worries
crazepharmacist
Member
Do Nvidia/AMD typically announce new cards at Computex? Think we'll be seeing GTX 800 then?
It's really not worth dropping below a 260X.
At that budget would this card be worth considering, sapphire 7950 for $165 in the buy sell thread.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=113378047
scoobs
Member
Hey guys wondering if any of you have run into an issue I've been having
Getting a lot of BSOD's lately (win 8.1) and finally today it wouldn't even boot, just BSOD on loop. I removed one of my memory sticks (2x8gb dual-channel g-skill), and slid the other into DIMM 1 and to my surprise it works perfectly fine again.
Any idea why dual-channel memory would cause kernel error BSODs??
Getting a lot of BSOD's lately (win 8.1) and finally today it wouldn't even boot, just BSOD on loop. I removed one of my memory sticks (2x8gb dual-channel g-skill), and slid the other into DIMM 1 and to my surprise it works perfectly fine again.
Any idea why dual-channel memory would cause kernel error BSODs??
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