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[PanzerAzel]

Hey folks,

Looking to upgrade, $3k budget. Anyone want to suggest me a good build? Thinking about buying prebuilt also, what are some good sites?

 

[rofif]

Hey folks,

Looking to upgrade, $3k budget. Anyone want to suggest me a good build? Thinking about buying prebuilt also, what are some good sites?

3k is extremely high budget. Normally I would recommend 3700x but with that budget You can get 10xx intel.
For gpu, it's a good idea to wait for rtx 30xx

 

[Ascend]

I'm thinking about building a new PC. How far away are RDNA2 graphics cards from hitting the mainstream market? I thought about using a Radeon RX 5700 XT card, but if new cards arrive in 3 or 4 month, that wouldn't make much sense.

October/November-ish

 

[GenericUser]

October/November-ish

OK, so I'm gonna wait then. I don't exactly need a very good GPU (mostly interested in emulation, playing older PC games and programming), but I guess prices for current cards will drop significantly then.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Hey folks,

Looking to upgrade, $3k budget. Anyone want to suggest me a good build? Thinking about buying prebuilt also, what are some good sites?

Wait until Novmeber.

 

[PanzerAzel]

3k is extremely high budget. Normally I would recommend 3700x but with that budget You can get 10xx intel.
For gpu, it's a good idea to wait for rtx 30xx

$5k is actually my entire budget. Typically I've built $1k rigs in the past but I want to future proof, and as MSFS 2020/CP2077 are arriving this will be a treat to myself towards the high end and will cover all accessories as well I need for the former (good quality HOTAS, pedals and Track IR, and I'm also in the market for a good 4k display as I'm still playing 1080). I'm honestly not expecting to spend anywhere near $5k, it's only what I've managed to save.

Wait until Novmeber.

Why? Don't even know if my current rig will survive that long. My 1070 is clinging on for dear life, I believe its fan is on the fritz. System shuts down periodically when I attempt anything even remotely taxing. Upgrading is approaching a point of necessity and I don't want to spend on repair when I can upgrade.

 

[rofif]

$5k is actually my entire budget. Typically I've built $1k rigs in the past but I want to future proof, and as MSFS 2020/CP2077 are arriving this will be a treat to myself towards the high end and will cover all accessories as well I need for the former (good quality HOTAS, pedals and Track IR, and I'm also in the market for a good 4k display as I'm still playing 1080). I'm honestly not expecting to spend anywhere near $5k, it's only what I've managed to save.
Why? Don't even know if my current rig will survive that long. My 1070 is clinging on for dear life, I believe its fan is on the fritz. System shuts down periodically when I attempt anything even remotely taxing. Upgrading is approaching a point of necessity and I don't want to spend on repair when I can upgrade.

You can't futureproof.
And with that budget, You can just get anything that is best currently. 2080ti, new intels, whatever

 

[GHG]

PanzerAzel

3950x
X570 MSI Unify motherboard
32-64GB RAM (2 sticks of 16GB or 2 sticks of 32GB)
Sabrent Rocket pcie 4.0 nvme or Gigabyte Auros pcie 4.0 nvme
Nvidia 2080ti

That's the best rig you can get right now, then when the 3xxx series launches later this year just sell the 2080ti and get a 3080ti.

Same thing with the 3950x, get a 4950x whenever that releases if the performance increase is worth it.

Don't invest in anything without pcie 4.0 capabilities unless you're willing to do a whole new system build again within the next couple of years.

 

[Strider Highwind]

Ordering it now when 3080 is just around thr corner?

Yeah its for the wife, i'll upgrade my own when the 3xxx or Big Navi hits. Gotta flip her 2060 now, it just came in https://ibb.co/kyZtrTT

 

[PanzerAzel]

PanzerAzel

3950x
X570 MSI Unify motherboard
32-64GB RAM (2 sticks of 16GB or 2 sticks of 32GB)
Sabrent Rocket pcie 4.0 nvme or Gigabyte Auros pcie 4.0 nvme
Nvidia 2080ti

That's the best rig you can get right now, then when the 3xxx series launches later this year just sell the 2080ti and get a 3080ti.

Same thing with the 3950x, get a 4950x whenever that releases if the performance increase is worth it.

Don't invest in anything without pcie 4.0 capabilities unless you're willing to do a whole new system build again within the next couple of years.

Thanks for the suggestion, I’m trying to stick to Intel though. I think I’m going to try to hold off until the new cards hit so the current ones will drop in price, just don’t know if my rig can endure.

I’m considering buying pre-built this time, I know all pros and cons of each approach but really don’t feel like putting in the effort. I’m ok paying a bit more for the convenience.

 

[benno]

Same thing with the 3950x, get a 4950x whenever that releases if the performance increase is worth it.

What performance increase in gaming are you expecting from a CPU upgrade when games are GPU bound? - Assuming you aren't going to be trying to hit 200+fps @ 720p

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

You can't futureproof.

Amen, man. So much this. The idea of futureproofing a PC is a bit idealistic. I basically look at every build as a "in what performance tier do I end up with for next 24 months"-build. After that, it's impossible to say how your machine will perform.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Thanks for the suggestion, I’m trying to stick to Intel though. I think I’m going to try to hold off until the new cards hit so the current ones will drop in price, just don’t know if my rig can endure.

I’m considering buying pre-built this time, I know all pros and cons of each approach but really don’t feel like putting in the effort. I’m ok paying a bit more for the convenience.

Rocket Lake will offer PCIE4, probably this December/January. However, I personally think that 4.0 - at least for hard drives - won't be really important in the coming years if we're looking at gaming only.. This has been completely overblown, especially since Sony decided to hype their SSD up beyond belief. I agree that Intel is the more stable/safer route. I'm currently building an Intel rig after two disappointing AMD Ryzen systems.

 

[GHG]

What performance increase in gaming are you expecting from a CPU upgrade when games are GPU bound? - Assuming you aren't going to be trying to hit 200+fps @ 720p

Literally in my post which you quoted:

if the performance increase is worth it.

Fundamentally it depends on what games he is/wants to play and whether they are CPU bound or not.

 

[Rbk_3]

$5k is actually my entire budget. Typically I've built $1k rigs in the past but I want to future proof, and as MSFS 2020/CP2077 are arriving this will be a treat to myself towards the high end and will cover all accessories as well I need for the former (good quality HOTAS, pedals and Track IR, and I'm also in the market for a good 4k display as I'm still playing 1080). I'm honestly not expecting to spend anywhere near $5k, it's only what I've managed to save.
Why? Don't even know if my current rig will survive that long. My 1070 is clinging on for dear life, I believe its fan is on the fritz. System shuts down periodically when I attempt anything even remotely taxing. Upgrading is approaching a point of necessity and I don't want to spend on repair when I can upgrade.

If you want to future proof you're better off building a $1500 rig today and then build again in 3 years for $1500 than spend $3k now.

 

[dave_d]

Rocket Lake will offer PCIE4, probably this December/January. However, I personally think that 4.0 - at least for hard drives - won't be really important in the coming years if we're looking at gaming only.. This has been completely overblown, especially since Sony decided to hype their SSD up beyond belief. I agree that Intel is the more stable/safer route. I'm currently building an Intel rig after two disappointing AMD Ryzen systems.

If you don't mind me asking what sort of problems did you have with Ryzen? Just curious since I was thinking of putting together an AMD rig around the time the RTX 3000 series comes out since the new Ryzens should be out by then as well.(I've been putting off my PC build until finances look more stable which they are.) But sometimes I think I should just go to Microcenter and pick up a 10700k and motherboard since we actually have one in Massachusetts and Intel is reasonably priced there.(Normally I wouldn't bother since traffic in Cambridge sucks but with covid traffic hasn't been anywhere near that bad in the city.) Yes, I've heard there's issues with some RAM with AMD chips. Just curious what other gotchas there are with AMD.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

If you don't mind me asking what sort of problems did you have with Ryzen? Just curious since I was thinking of putting together an AMD rig around the time the RTX 3000 series comes out since the new Ryzens should be out by then as well.(I've been putting off my PC build until finances look more stable which they are.) But sometimes I think I should just go to Microcenter and pick up a 10700k and motherboard since we actually have one in Massachusetts and Intel is reasonably priced there.(Normally I wouldn't bother since traffic in Cambridge sucks but with covid traffic hasn't been anywhere near that bad in the city.) Yes, I've heard there's issues with some RAM with AMD chips. Just curious what other gotchas there are with AMD.

I had a 1xxx and a 3xxx system, both of which produced strange W10 errors where I can't definitively say what caused them in the end. My suspicion is that a lot of mainboard manufacturers still haven't gotten to the point where they can comfortably design an AMD board and be sure that everything's rock solid and stable. With the second system I'm pretty sure it was the combination of CPU and RAM, altough my RAM was listed on the official hardware support list from the manufacturer. The first system just gave me random blue screens in W10, not unlike the ones the OP was seeing, however I'm sure it wasn't due to shitty software or OS version (tried different things). I feel like everyone got surprised by the sudden success AMD was seeing and manufacturers weren't prepared for it. I'm sure in the future parts will mature and eventually become stable. My experience with AMD so far, however, has been so bad that I won't be making any experiments for the foreseeable future. Before my first Ryzen build, I had a 2500K that never had any issues (my best build overall so far). I'm going straight back to Intel after this experience, got my 10700K ordered already.

 

[GHG]

If you don't mind me asking what sort of problems did you have with Ryzen? Just curious since I was thinking of putting together an AMD rig around the time the RTX 3000 series comes out since the new Ryzens should be out by then as well.(I've been putting off my PC build until finances look more stable which they are.) But sometimes I think I should just go to Microcenter and pick up a 10700k and motherboard since we actually have one in Massachusetts and Intel is reasonably priced there.(Normally I wouldn't bother since traffic in Cambridge sucks but with covid traffic hasn't been anywhere near that bad in the city.) Yes, I've heard there's issues with some RAM with AMD chips. Just curious what other gotchas there are with AMD.

X570 motherboards are finicky.

You need to make sure you get a good board, set it up correctly and make sure the RAM and SSD (if your're going the nvme route) are actually compatible and configured correctly.

Let me know what parts you are considering for a Ryzen build and I'll let you know if they will be compatible and what pitfalls you might need to look out for.

Having put together my X570 build recently and seeing common issues other people run into I'd say Intel is a lot easier if you are not an experienced system builder and aren't tech savvy. Intel and the Z490 platform is a lot more "plug and play" friendly.

Up to you ultimately if you don't think you will need pcie 4.0 either now or in the near future, in particular if you are going to be doing any I/O sensitive work on your system. If you are unsure then there is no harm in waiting, we will have a better idea of what the I/O requirements will be for next gen games later this year and whether the top end cards coming out from Nvidia and AMD benefit from pcie 4.0. If you want to be on the safe side then do a pcie 4.0 AMD build or grab an Intel z490 motherboard that has pcie 4.0 support for the next generation of intel chips (the mid-high end Gigabyte z490 motherboards are pcie 4.0 ready).

 

[Celcius]

I had a 1xxx and a 3xxx system, both of which produced strange W10 errors where I can't definitively say what caused them in the end. My suspicion is that a lot of mainboard manufacturers still haven't gotten to the point where they can comfortably design an AMD board and be sure that everything's rock solid and stable. With the second system I'm pretty sure it was the combination of CPU and RAM, altough my RAM was listed on the official hardware support list from the manufacturer. The first system just gave me random blue screens in W10, not unlike the ones the OP was seeing, however I'm sure it wasn't due to shitty software or OS version (tried different things). I feel like everyone got surprised by the sudden success AMD was seeing and manufacturers weren't prepared for it. I'm sure in the future parts will mature and eventually become stable. My experience with AMD so far, however, has been so bad that I won't be making any experiments for the foreseeable future. Before my first Ryzen build, I had a 2500K that never had any issues (my best build overall so far). I'm going straight back to Intel after this experience, got my 10700K ordered already.

If you don't mind me asking what sort of problems did you have with Ryzen? Just curious since I was thinking of putting together an AMD rig around the time the RTX 3000 series comes out since the new Ryzens should be out by then as well.(I've been putting off my PC build until finances look more stable which they are.) But sometimes I think I should just go to Microcenter and pick up a 10700k and motherboard since we actually have one in Massachusetts and Intel is reasonably priced there.(Normally I wouldn't bother since traffic in Cambridge sucks but with covid traffic hasn't been anywhere near that bad in the city.) Yes, I've heard there's issues with some RAM with AMD chips. Just curious what other gotchas there are with AMD.

Just wanted to chime in and say that last month I upgraded to a 10700K cpu + z490 mobo and it's a great platform if you do go this route. My experience has been very smooth & positive.

 

[Okamiden]

Guys, does anyone know why on userbenchmark website there is still no price for 10th gen of intel processors and as a result no value score?

 

[kiphalfton]

Amen, man. So much this. The idea of futureproofing a PC is a bit idealistic. I basically look at every build as a "in what performance tier do I end up with for next 24 months"-build. After that, it's impossible to say how your machine will perform.

The gtx 780 ti (i.e. the highest end 700 series graphics card) will no longer be competitive with even the lowest tier nvidia GPU next gen (and I'm talking about whatever the ampere equivalent to gtx 1600 series is). Pretty impressive it took 3+ generations to fall off the map. Next on the chopping block will be the gtx 980 ti.

 

[GHG]

The gtx 780 ti (i.e. the highest end 700 series graphics card) will no longer be competitive with even the lowest tier nvidia GPU next gen (and I'm talking about whatever the ampere equivalent to gtx 1600 series is). Pretty impressive it took 3+ generations to fall off the map. Next on the chopping block will be the gtx 980 ti.

Yeh I got 7+ years out of my previous system platform (motherbaord/cpu/ram) before it really started to show it's age in games. The 980ti I put into it in 2015 also only started to really show it's age towards the end of last year, but that was partly because I jumped from 1080p/60hz to 1440p/120hz (along with the option of 4k/60hz).

It's absolutely possible to "future proof" if you buy smart, but it requires you building an "overkill" system for whatever your requirements are at the time. For example if you think you need 32gb ram today then get 64gb, if you think you need a 3070 then get a 3080ti, etc.

As long as you can afford it of course.

 

[dave_d]

I had a 1xxx and a 3xxx system, both of which produced strange W10 errors where I can't definitively say what caused them in the end. My suspicion is that a lot of mainboard manufacturers still haven't gotten to the point where they can comfortably design an AMD board and be sure that everything's rock solid and stable. With the second system I'm pretty sure it was the combination of CPU and RAM, altough my RAM was listed on the official hardware support list from the manufacturer. The first system just gave me random blue screens in W10, not unlike the ones the OP was seeing, however I'm sure it wasn't due to shitty software or OS version (tried different things). I feel like everyone got surprised by the sudden success AMD was seeing and manufacturers weren't prepared for it. I'm sure in the future parts will mature and eventually become stable. My experience with AMD so far, however, has been so bad that I won't be making any experiments for the foreseeable future. Before my first Ryzen build, I had a 2500K that never had any issues (my best build overall so far). I'm going straight back to Intel after this experience, got my 10700K ordered already.

Oh god, I hate those kind of errors. I know, not unique to AMD and pretty much everything in IT likes to give error codes and you hope there's any documentation on what it means. I'm also coming from a intel setup. (i5-3570 in my case) Originally I was figuring I'd go AMD but like I've written earlier given the price in Microcenter for a 10700k and the fact the traffic in Cambridge isn't too bad these days it's making me consider going that route. (Since if I buy both a motherboard and CPU I'd get another $20 off.) Thanks for the info though.

 

[dave_d]

X570 motherboards are finicky.

You need to make sure you get a good board, set it up correctly and make sure the RAM and SSD (if your're going the nvme route) are actually compatible and configured correctly.

Let me know what parts you are considering for a Ryzen build and I'll let you know if they will be compatible and what pitfalls you might need to look out for.

Having put together my X570 build recently and seeing common issues other people run into I'd say Intel is a lot easier if you are not an experienced system builder and aren't tech savvy. Intel and the Z490 platform is a lot more "plug and play" friendly.

Up to you ultimately if you don't think you will need pcie 4.0 either now or in the near future, in particular if you are going to be doing any I/O sensitive work on your system. If you are unsure then there is no harm in waiting, we will have a better idea of what the I/O requirements will be for next gen games later this year and whether the top end cards coming out from Nvidia and AMD benefit from pcie 4.0. If you want to be on the safe side then do a pcie 4.0 AMD build or grab an Intel z490 motherboard that has pcie 4.0 support for the next generation of intel chips (the mid-high end Gigabyte z490 motherboards are pcie 4.0 ready).

I didn't know the X570 was finicky. How are the B550? I am staying away from the B450 since I'd think that's going to be a bit more of a challenge than I'd like and require a bios upgrade to work with the newer Ryzen chips. Admittedly I figure it's going to be a couple months before I put something together. I think I'll probably end up going with what ever 3000 series board is the replacement for the RTX 2070. Thanks for the offer to give me some info. I guess I'll know more what I'm looking for but since the new Ryzens are a couple of months away it's kind of a waiting game.

 

[dave_d]

Just wanted to chime in and say that last month I upgraded to a 10700K cpu + z490 mobo and it's a great platform if you do go this route. My experience has been very smooth & positive.

Good to know it's been a good experience. The main knock I had against intel was just trying to get the chip and a decent price which you can't at the moment on-line. However going local completely changes that.(Which surprises me to be honest.)

 

[GHG]

I didn't know the X570 was finicky. How are the B550? I am staying away from the B450 since I'd think that's going to be a bit more of a challenge than I'd like and require a bios upgrade to work with the newer Ryzen chips. Admittedly I figure it's going to be a couple months before I put something together. I think I'll probably end up going with what ever 3000 series board is the replacement for the RTX 2070. Thanks for the offer to give me some info. I guess I'll know more what I'm looking for but since the new Ryzens are a couple of months away it's kind of a waiting game.

B550 is more mature and more streamlined than x570. It's a lot better for most people.

If you don't need the extra pcie lanes x570 offers then b550 will serve you well. Basically if you don't plan on having more than one GPU in your system at a time and no more than one pcie 4.0 nvme at a time then there is no need to bother with x570 over b550.

There's also a lot more choice in the lower/mid range b550 motherboard slave whereas most of the lower priced x570 boards are literal trash.

 

[PhoenixTank]

I am staying away from the B450 since I'd think that's going to be a bit more of a challenge than I'd like and require a bios upgrade to work with the newer Ryzen chips.

With B550 finally out - you are quite right to avoid - Nobody should really be buying new B450 boards for Zen 3.

 

[GaviotaGrande]

Looking to upgrade my RAM from 16 to 32 GB. Should I go for 4x8 or 2x16?

Any recommendations regarding specific brand / speed? I'm completely lost to be honest.

Appreciate your help!

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Looking to upgrade my RAM from 16 to 32 GB. Should I go for 4x8 or 2x16?

Any recommendations regarding specific brand / speed? I'm completely lost to be honest.

Appreciate your help!

I've always been under the impression that 2 sticks is better then 4 but who knows where I picked that up from and if it's true at all.

 

[dave_d]

B550 is more mature and more streamlined than x570. It's a lot better for most people.

If you don't need the extra pcie lanes x570 offers then b550 will serve you well. Basically if you don't plan on having more than one GPU in your system at a time and no more than one pcie 4.0 nvme at a time then there is no need to bother with x570 over b550.

There's also a lot more choice in the lower/mid range b550 motherboard slave whereas most of the lower priced x570 boards are literal trash.

That's good to hear, thanks for telling me that. I wasn't going to bother with 2 gpus and I figure I'd have only one NVME drive so it sounds like I should go b550 if I go the AMD route. Actually is it true that x570 the motherboard needs to be cooled with fans? (I've heard that and it was one reason why I was leaning toward b550.)

 

[dave_d]

With B550 finally out - you are quite right to avoid - Nobody should really be buying new B450 boards for Zen 3.

I had heard that there's beta bios that in theory would let a b450 work but I have no idea how well that would even work. (I mean I read somewhere I'd need a Zen 2 to just upgrade the bios which I don't have.)

 

[GHG]

That's good to hear, thanks for telling me that. I wasn't going to bother with 2 gpus and I figure I'd have only one NVME drive so it sounds like I should go b550 if I go the AMD route. Actually is it true that x570 the motherboard needs to be cooled with fans? (I've heard that and it was one reason why I was leaning toward b550.)

The truth about the x570 active cooling is that it only comes into play if you are using lots of nvme and GPU's.

The top nvme and top pcie slot get their bandwidth from the CPU on x570 - the chipset is mostly idle if this is your configuration on x570. The only thing the chipset is taking care of in this scenario is a few USB slots (if you have them populated) and any sata drives (if you have them), neither of which are particularly taxing.

The only time the chipset comes into play is when you start populating multiple nvme slots and/or multiple pcie slots on your motherboard. The bottom nvme slots and bottom pcie slots on x570 motherboards all get their bandwidth from the chipset. So if you start hammering your computer with dual/triple SLI GPU's (if you do any rendering work for example) or get a motherboard with 3 pcie 4.0 nvme slots and populate all of them with 4.0 drives then the chipset will be put to work and heat up under load. In that scenario the chipset fan will start operating.

Generic X570 block diagram that illustrates the above:

I have an x570 unify and only have 1 gpu and 1 pcie 3.0 nvme (so far) and I've yet to see the chipset get hot enough for the fan to spin up. Even under a complete system stress test the max temp I saw for the chipset was around 50 degrees celcius which was predominantly down to the increase in ambient temps inside my case.

Basically unless you are a power user there's nothing to be concerned about as long as the board is decent overall.

 

[longdi]

yap x570 and b550 are not much different in reality. just avoid those ultra cheap boards if you value longetivity.

all pcie4 lanes come off the ryzen 3000, total it has 24 pcie4 lanes.
optimally you can only connect
1x16 pcie4 for gpu
1x4 pcie4 lanes for nvme
1x4 pcie4 to pch chipset.

the last item, the x570 chipset still need to split the 4 pcie4 lanes to other things connected off the pch as shown above.
at best you lose one pcie4 nvme off the shared pch

Get threadrypper if you want more nvme drives or sli gpu.

 

[longdi]

Looking to upgrade my RAM from 16 to 32 GB. Should I go for 4x8 or 2x16?

Any recommendations regarding specific brand / speed? I'm completely lost to be honest.

Appreciate your help!

If you using ryzen, 4x8 is better.

Ryzen Above: Best Memory Settings for AMD's 3000 CPUs, Tested

Is Ryzen 3000 optimized for DDR4-3200? What if we want more? We examine everything from frequency to rank count to nail down optimal settings.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[GaviotaGrande]

If you using ryzen, 4x8 is better.

Ryzen Above: Best Memory Settings for AMD's 3000 CPUs, Tested

Is Ryzen 3000 optimized for DDR4-3200? What if we want more? We examine everything from frequency to rank count to nail down optimal settings.

www.tomshardware.com

I'm using i7-8700K @ 3.70Ghz combined with 2080Ti.

EDIT: I honestly have no clue what I'm doing. I found these 2, are they any good?

G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB DDR4 3600 MHz (2 x 16 GB) | bol

G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB DDR4 3600 MHz (2 x 16 GB). G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB DDR4. Component voor: Pc/server, Intern geheugen: 32 GB, Geheugenlayout...

www.bol.com

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro CMW32GX4M2Z3200C16 geheugenmodule 32 GB 2 x 16 GB DDR4 3200 MHz | bol

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro CMW32GX4M2Z3200C16 geheugenmodule 32 GB 2 x 16 GB DDR4 3200 MHz. Pc/server 32 GB DDR4 3200 MHz 288-pin DIMM 2 x 16 GB...

www.bol.com

 

[Anki]

My motherboard has one m2 slot which i use for m2 ssd for booting of windows. I really want to use one more m2 for games and i saw there are some pci cards where you can insert m2. Are they worth it? Is the speed of the ssd same or its slower? Should i just get sata ssd?

 

[longdi]

I'm using i7-8700K @ 3.70Ghz combined with 2080Ti.

EDIT: I honestly have no clue what I'm doing. I found these 2, are they any good?

G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB DDR4 3600 MHz (2 x 16 GB) | bol

G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB DDR4 3600 MHz (2 x 16 GB). G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB DDR4. Component voor: Pc/server, Intern geheugen: 32 GB, Geheugenlayout...

www.bol.com

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro CMW32GX4M2Z3200C16 geheugenmodule 32 GB 2 x 16 GB DDR4 3200 MHz | bol

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro CMW32GX4M2Z3200C16 geheugenmodule 32 GB 2 x 16 GB DDR4 3200 MHz. Pc/server 32 GB DDR4 3200 MHz 288-pin DIMM 2 x 16 GB...

www.bol.com

If you no need rgb, i am using crucial ballistx lt, cheaper and works as well.

 

[GHG]

I'm using i7-8700K @ 3.70Ghz combined with 2080Ti.

EDIT: I honestly have no clue what I'm doing. I found these 2, are they any good?

G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB DDR4 3600 MHz (2 x 16 GB) | bol

G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB DDR4 3600 MHz (2 x 16 GB). G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB DDR4. Component voor: Pc/server, Intern geheugen: 32 GB, Geheugenlayout...

www.bol.com

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro CMW32GX4M2Z3200C16 geheugenmodule 32 GB 2 x 16 GB DDR4 3200 MHz | bol

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro CMW32GX4M2Z3200C16 geheugenmodule 32 GB 2 x 16 GB DDR4 3200 MHz. Pc/server 32 GB DDR4 3200 MHz 288-pin DIMM 2 x 16 GB...

www.bol.com

In terms of ram brand hierarchy:

Crucial > gskill = team group > corsair

Good quality Crucial will get you Micron RAM which is top notch.

Get 2x 16gb ram sticks for dual rank benefits.

 

[GaviotaGrande]

In terms of ram brand hierarchy:

Crucial > gskill = team group > corsair

Good quality Crucial will get you Micron RAM which is top notch.

Get 2x 16gb ram sticks for dual rank benefits.

How about this one?

What the real difference between 3000 vs 3600 Mhz?

Crucial Ballistix Sport LT geheugenmodule 16 GB DDR4 3000 MHz | bol

Crucial Ballistix Sport LT geheugenmodule 16 GB DDR4 3000 MHz. Ballistix Sport LT. Component voor: Pc/server, Intern geheugen: 16 GB, Geheugenlayout...

www.bol.com

 

[SantaC]

I am using 4x8 DDR4 3600mhz

 

[GHG]

How about this one?

What the real difference between 3000 vs 3600 Mhz?

Crucial Ballistix Sport LT geheugenmodule 16 GB DDR4 3000 MHz | bol

Crucial Ballistix Sport LT geheugenmodule 16 GB DDR4 3000 MHz. Ballistix Sport LT. Component voor: Pc/server, Intern geheugen: 16 GB, Geheugenlayout...

www.bol.com

Check what the ram speed scaling is like for your processor to see whether the price difference is worth it for you. Based on what I know I don't think Intel is as sensitive as AMD to speed increases over 3000 Mhz.

One think that is consistent across the board though is that tighter ram timings is always a benefit.

That ram you linked looks good.

 

[longdi]

How about this one?

What the real difference between 3000 vs 3600 Mhz?

Crucial Ballistix Sport LT geheugenmodule 16 GB DDR4 3000 MHz | bol

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3600 is better, though it is very easily to overclock current memory from 3000 to 3600.

Of the 3 models listed, i will take the gskill trident 3600 32gb if you buying from that store.

 

[PhoenixTank]

I had heard that there's beta bios that in theory would let a b450 work but I have no idea how well that would even work. (I mean I read somewhere I'd need a Zen 2 to just upgrade the bios which I don't have.)

There is indeed a beta BIOS planned but it may not be available with Zen3 launch. Really reserved for those who already own B450 and want a new CPU. BIOS flashback features woukd make it easier but it just doesn't make sense for a new Zen3 system.

 

[GaviotaGrande]

3600 is better, though it is very easily to overclock current memory from 3000 to 3600.

Of the 3 models listed, i will take the gskill trident 3600 32gb if you buying from that store.

That's the one I bought. I like how it looks, which is always a perk. Thanks!

I have another question. I need the best air cooling for my processor (i7-8700K). The one I have now gets quite loud.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

 

[PhoenixTank]

That's the one I bought. I like how it looks, which is always a perk. Thanks!

I have another question. I need the best air cooling for my processor (i7-8700K). The one I have now gets quite loud.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Overclocked or planning to?
For quiet... probably something from Noctua if you don't want to go for water cooling (fans are still very important there)

 

[Ascend]

Looking to upgrade my RAM from 16 to 32 GB. Should I go for 4x8 or 2x16?

Any recommendations regarding specific brand / speed? I'm completely lost to be honest.

Appreciate your help!

The answer is... It depends.
It can be hard to find RAM modules after the fact that work well together with older modules. So if you want to upgrade from 2x8 to 4x8, you have to make sure it's the exact brand with the exact timings and the exact same model.

As for 4x8 or 2x16...
The same issue as above arises. Do you want to upgrade again in the future, or are you set for now? If you don't think you'll need to upgrade the RAM until you get another new full system, 4x8 is typically fine. If you do want to upgrade, just take into account what I said above.

That being said, there really is no 'better' between the two configurations (4x8 or 2x16). The topology of your motherboard has a big influence on this. There are two main ones, which are T-topology and daisy chain. Short version; T-Topology is better for 4 sticks and daisy chain is better for two sticks. Just note that generally, you won't achieve as high memory clocks on T-topology as you would with daisy chain. That is not important unless you're into overclocking.

In case you're actually interested in understanding the topology of memory... Take a look at this video;

 

[dave_d]

The truth about the x570 active cooling is that it only comes into play if you are using lots of nvme and GPU's.

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I have an x570 unify and only have 1 gpu and 1 pcie 3.0 nvme (so far) and I've yet to see the chipset get hot enough for the fan to spin up. Even under a complete system stress test the max temp I saw for the chipset was around 50 degrees celcius which was predominantly down to the increase in ambient temps inside my case.

Basically unless you are a power user there's nothing to be concerned about as long as the board is decent overall.

Oh good. I'm definitely not a power user. Thanks for info. I didn't understand why a chipset might require active cooling but assuming I go AMD I'll almost certainly go B550.

 

[dave_d]

yap x570 and b550 are not much different in reality. just avoid those ultra cheap boards if you value longetivity.

Always good advice. (If something seems too cheap it probably is.)

 

[longdi]

That's the one I bought. I like how it looks, which is always a perk. Thanks!

I have another question. I need the best air cooling for my processor (i7-8700K). The one I have now gets quite loud.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Im a fan of Thermalright, good value/perf in the EU stocks.
True spirit 140?

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Arctic liquid freeze 2 is similarly good value/perf if you want AIO water.

Either brand, you are getting top end performance for cheaper than top end prices

 

[GaviotaGrande]

Im a fan of Thermalright, good value/perf in the EU stocks.
True spirit 140?

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Arctic liquid freeze 2 is similarly good value/perf if you want AIO water.

Either brand, you are getting top end performance for cheaper than top end prices

Thanks, I will check this brand out. Any recommendations for high end of air cooling spectrum?

Also a rather stupid question: do I need to change / add thermal goo when changing my cooling?