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"I Need a New PC!" 2020. Ray Tracing. 120Hz-360Hz. Next-Gen Already.
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Kazza
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Are second hand GPUs reliable, or is it a risky move?
Regarding the new ones, which card is generally thought of as best value for money (a nice balance between power and price)? The 3060 or 3070 seem like sweet spots.
Anki
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At the moment I have ryzen 1200, gtx 970, 16Gb ram 3200 dual channel, m2 ssd and msi b450 gaming mb and recently got 155hz 1440p monitor with freesync. So i want to upgrade my gpu because 970 cannot really play at 1440p resolution.
I am thinking to get msi 5700xt and maybe ryzen 3600 so i can play newer games at 1440p. I know new stuff is coming out but i am never buying latest and greatest so i would upgrade maybe in 2 years (ryzen 4000 and rtx 3000 series). Is this a good plan?
I am thinking to get msi 5700xt and maybe ryzen 3600 so i can play newer games at 1440p. I know new stuff is coming out but i am never buying latest and greatest so i would upgrade maybe in 2 years (ryzen 4000 and rtx 3000 series). Is this a good plan?
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i hate the pins on them but yeah people bend the pins and think it's broken. you just bend them back up carefully. as long as they aren't completely broken off you have a good chance it will still work.Damn, just "fixed" a "broken" Ryzen 8-Core CPU, I love how AMD designed their socket leading numerous people to bend their pins, basically got a free 8-Core Ryzen CPU. Thanks AMD
a 3600 + 5700XT would be a great upgrade. if you want to keep your RAM then that's totally fine but i would suggest selling them towards 32GB RAM as 16GB is pretty much the minimum for games now.
i have a RTX 2080 which is about the same as a 5700XT and i have a 1440p 165hz monitor (i run it at 144hz though) and does just fine at that level of resolution/frame rate. of course for high frame rates a fast processor is needed (i have a 9900k) but the 3600 will be more than enough
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GHG
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Get 2 16gb 3200mhz sticks.
That way you'll get dual rank memory, you'll have 2 slots free for future upgrades if necessary and there's less chance of something going wrong with 2 sticks vs 4.
Edit: nevermind, I see you have the ram already. Ignore me!
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Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
3600 is a good choice but if you're spending up to $400 on a GPU this late in the game I'd at least get an RTX card to have modern features as well as DLSS 2.0 which is gaining support.
JohnnyFootball
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Rikkori
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sounds great dude, 5700xt is absolutely unbeatable in terms of value. don't let the ppl brainwashed by nvidia marketing fool you, dlss is a niche thing & barely has game support, and if you really want to upsample there's other options that get you almost there with the same performance even if not 100% as good. I'd be more worried about lack of DX12 Ultimate support in the long run, but if you upgrade again in 2-3 years when the post-Ampere generation releases, you'll be gucci. games won't start to really push those features immediately anyway so you'll be just in time.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Its hard decision, on one hand 5700xt is faster and cheaper then rtx 2070 by 120euros but it doesn have dlss 2
If you were upgrading again in a year, IMO 5700 would be fine, but since you're going 2-3 years you'd be stuck 2-3 years without the next-gen features. RTX is already fully DX12 Ultimate compliant for next-gen.
Performance difference between 5700 XT and 2070 is small. 2070 Super is faster.
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kiphalfton
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The 3070 will probably be the card most people want, for the price and performance. The nice thing about the 980 Ti/1080 Ti/ 2080 Ti, is they released it and there weren't any better versions of it released ~1 year down the line or whatever, so you didn't feel like you got gypped. That was the problem with the 2070 and 2080, is they were released, everybody was disappointed with how little they were improved over their 1000-series counterparts, and then they released the 2070 Super and 2080 Super for the same respective prices.
teezzy
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I buy everything new when I can, but most PC parts are damn reliable secondhand. I'm having trouble of thinking of something I wouldn't trust. Like a GPU may have been used for bitcoin mining, but that's probably it. Just try to avoid anything that looks sketch af on ebay, etc.
The 3070 will likely be the card to shoot for price/performance, but it really all depends what you're willing to spend and what you want to play. My 2070 has more than enough power to run everything I need at 1440p with most setting on ultra/high... I'm not planning to upgrade any time soon. If I had a 2080, I'd delay upgrading even longer. People are still running 1080s , 1070s, and 1060s though.. you get that little extra oomph and longevity the further you go up the chain. But hell, some people really don't mind medium settings. The current RTX 20__ series ain't no slouch just because another line is coming out.
Hope that helps.
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MR ARCADE FOREVER
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My 1080 ti died last week. I got a 1660 super until I fully upgrade my pc next year. I'm surprised by the 1660 super performance though it's pretty decent for a midlow range card.
Kazza
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Thanks, it does.
I'm planning on buying a 1440p 144Mhz monitor to go with it, so I hope that going 1440p rather than 4k (as the next-gen consoles are aiming for) will give the GPU some extra breathing room. When paired with whatever the next Ryzen equivalent to the Ryzen 3700 is (which I understand hits the value/power sweet-spot for CPUs right now), I'd be happy so long as it gives me High settings at 60 fps for current games. Maybe this is being overly optimistic, but I'm aiming for the build to last me the entire upcoming console generation. Seeing that my requirements are relatively modest, I don't think that is impossible.
This will be my first build in a very long time, and I have always cheaped out before, so I think I'll just buy brand new stuff this time. Looking at it from the other angle, it's nice to know that I can still get something for my GPU in a few years from now, if I do decide to upgrade.
Type_Raver
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I sold off my RTX 2060 and as an Interim I got a GT 710. Seconds per frame level performance!
I can live without a gaming gpu for now, my Switch has my gaming fix sorted.
teezzy
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Sounds like what I did. FPS over resolution, always. 1440p is gorgeous imho.
Make sure you get something that also does G Sync too. Total game changer. Free Sync works with Nvidia cards now as well, but there's a few extra steps IIRC, but I have no personal experience.
I bought myself two 1440p 144hz monitors recently. Two 27" with G Sync, and have been super pleased. Snagged both my Dell S2716DGR and Acer XB270HU USED on Ebay - paid about $440 for both of 'em shipped. It's a lot of screen and performance for the price.
I don't see myself getting rid of these any time soon.
Kazza
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I don't know why, but monitors would be the thing I would be most nervous about buying 2nd hand. It's because of their fragility, I guess. Sounds like you lucked out with the deal you got though.
Does running two screens at once have a negative affect on performance? I have a 1080p screen that I could keep around after getting a 1440p one, but not if it slows things down too much.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Got myself a load of old stuff. Been searching and meaning to build win98 pc for a long time.
Back in 1997 in december, Parents got me pentium ii 200, s3 4mb, sound blaster pc and few months later I've added voodoo and 333mhz pentium to it.
Started tracking down some old stuff recently. The crt I've posted here before but now I've also got 5 (5!) late 90s machines. These are from old autoshop storage or something.
I've got around to launching 2 units so far since other require 6 din keyboard and mouse?!
-IBM 300pl - pentium 2, 350mhz. No addons. Integrated stuff. Someone installed XP on it and it barely runs. Does not detect keyboard too and I don't have ps2 keyboard atm so I will install 98 when I can
-Toshiba 3100m -Celeron 500, intel 810 chip with integrated ac97 (aureal vortex sound blaster 16 emulation). This one just works ! Have win98 installed on it, everything runs. I am surprised to see that even games work. The integrated stuff even is 3d accelerated which is very surprising. Duns duke3d, quake and all other stuff no problem but also runs nfs3 great and even Turok (with slowdowns). So it's a mid 99' pc which runs 97-98 stuff great.
Back in 1997 in december, Parents got me pentium ii 200, s3 4mb, sound blaster pc and few months later I've added voodoo and 333mhz pentium to it.
Started tracking down some old stuff recently. The crt I've posted here before but now I've also got 5 (5!) late 90s machines. These are from old autoshop storage or something.
I've got around to launching 2 units so far since other require 6 din keyboard and mouse?!
-IBM 300pl - pentium 2, 350mhz. No addons. Integrated stuff. Someone installed XP on it and it barely runs. Does not detect keyboard too and I don't have ps2 keyboard atm so I will install 98 when I can
-Toshiba 3100m -Celeron 500, intel 810 chip with integrated ac97 (aureal vortex sound blaster 16 emulation). This one just works ! Have win98 installed on it, everything runs. I am surprised to see that even games work. The integrated stuff even is 3d accelerated which is very surprising. Duns duke3d, quake and all other stuff no problem but also runs nfs3 great and even Turok (with slowdowns). So it's a mid 99' pc which runs 97-98 stuff great.
PhoenixTank
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Sorry for your loss
Any idea on the cause of death, or what was going wrong before it happened?
b0uncyfr0
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Hmm so the 5700Xt still hasn't caught up to the 2070 super, really... ? AMD cards usually start pulling ahead after a while. I will be buying a new card in a years time, my 1080 can survive another year at least and hopefully by then AMD have some kinda DLSS + RT running optimally.
Dont forget ppl, the first cards to introduce a feature are always a stepping stone. I have no doubt AMD will make RT better next year so i'm very hesitant to buy now.
Dont forget ppl, the first cards to introduce a feature are always a stepping stone. I have no doubt AMD will make RT better next year so i'm very hesitant to buy now.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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I was my mistake. I bought it from a guy that used it for mining for a decent price, it lasted for 6 monthsSorry for your loss
Any idea on the cause of death, or what was going wrong before it happened?
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Got myself a load of old stuff. Been searching and meaning to build win98 pc for a long time.
Back in 1997 in december, Parents got me pentium ii 200, s3 4mb, sound blaster pc and few months later I've added voodoo and 333mhz pentium to it.
Started tracking down some old stuff recently. The crt I've posted here before but now I've also got 5 (5!) late 90s machines. These are from old autoshop storage or something.
I've got around to launching 2 units so far since other require 6 din keyboard and mouse?!
-IBM 300pl - pentium 2, 350mhz. No addons. Integrated stuff. Someone installed XP on it and it barely runs. Does not detect keyboard too and I don't have ps2 keyboard atm so I will install 98 when I can
-Toshiba 3100m -Celeron 500, intel 810 chip with integrated ac97 (aureal vortex sound blaster 16 emulation). This one just works ! Have win98 installed on it, everything runs. I am surprised to see that even games work. The integrated stuff even is 3d accelerated which is very surprising. Duns duke3d, quake and all other stuff no problem but also runs nfs3 great and even Turok (with slowdowns). So it's a mid 99' pc which runs 97-98 stuff great.
Nice, man. Setting up a super powerful Windows 98 machine with a CRT monitor has always been kind of a dream of mine. I should start seriously looking into it.
TriSuit666
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I’ve got a 1660 Super too, I think a really overlooked card by the MR. Does 1440p at decent framerates fine, and will do medium RTX at a push.
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teezzy
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Nothing that I've noticed. I'll be honest, I'm not anal enough to run performance monitors etc while playing. I adjust my settings and play. Having two monitors at once hasn't affected anything to the point of me noticing though, whether I have the secondary monitor on or off.
Having dual monitors is really cool though, even if you keep your 1080 around as a back up. Like a non-gaming, Discord/video/GAF screen thing. I fucking love it dude.
As far as I'm concerned:
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I don't even want super powerful. Out of the ones in the picture, two are booting and these are:
IBM pentium 350 with s3 trio3d integrated gpu and integrated sound card. Surprisingly solid for most games up to late 1998 but only software. no accelerated stuff.
And Toshiba celeron 500 with Intel 810 chipset with integrated software/hardware accelerated stuff!! Even turok work somehow (not too great).
I just need to get my hands on some proper 3dfx vodoo1 and I am golden
Myths
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32 will certainly not be overkill especially with current and upcoming demands. 64 would’ve been the hot spot, that’s where I’m at.
PhoenixTank
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Ah sorry to hear that - thought it was a bit premature for a normal part at that age. Thanks for the info!
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Nice it's better than what I expected!
SupremeHoodie
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I’m tempted to go 64, atm it’s 32gb dual channel. But I’m gonna wait until most games start pushing the system. Right now it looks like it’s just Minecraft with mods, AC Odyssey and Tomb raider only. Latter two only barely scratching the limits of people with 16gb rigs.
I don’t do any form of rendering or video editing so I should be fine for a few years. Or at least a couple.
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Kazza
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Isn't the Xbox Series X only 16GB (and that is shared with the GPU)? With a discreet GPU with its own RAM, surely 16GB will still be enough. Personally, I don't believe all the console hype about their SSDs being so amazing that PCs will need a massive amount of RAM to compensate. Horizon Zero Dawn is the only game I can see on Steam which has a recommended RAM of more than 8 (16GB in Horrizon's case).
Mista
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I feel like AMD still didn’t discover that “formula” that makes them compete with Nvidia. They have been doing more than a magnificent job with CPU’s and hopefully they’ll reach to the same point with their GPU’s. We need a competitor for Nvidia otherwise their prices will always be absurd.
Ascend
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As soon as DirectStorage comes to PC (it will be included in DX12U), whatever the console SSDs can do, the PC can do as well, with the exception of hardware decompression. That will still need to happen through the CPU. But you won't need much RAM compared to consoles, because it will bypass all the layers that are currently in place for storage access.
888
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So finished the build for my 4th gaming rig for the house. Decided to go AMD this time and pulled over a 1070 from a 4670k build I’ve had laying around forever.
Built with a Gigabyte Auros Ultra x570, 3x500 GB NVME drives. 3x SSD and a 3700x.
Got into windows and bam blue screen. Then another and a few more over and over. Seemed to figure it out fairly quickly that there is an issue with the Auros RGB controller software and the A2000 NVME drives. This wasn’t just RGB fusion but Aura also. Icue is fine.
Then I had issues with one of the SSDs. Could create a Partition but not a volume. Removed the disk and bam virtual disk service broke and couldn’t get into disk management. Decided to do a bios update. Rebooted and reinstalled windows. Then I got raid disk errors in EV. At this point I was like wtf is going on and started to regret this build.
Went back to bios and checked disk config and it’s not setup for raid. Looked at bios rev and it’s still at R11 and not the new R20. Start to suspect dual bios but didn’t feel like messing with it so unplugged the box. Shorted the clear cmos jumpers and said screw it. Installed windows and everything seemed fine. Get my stuff installed.
Next morning the PC was asleep. Hit the keyboard and it comes up fresh. Even tho I had been working on some stuff. Didn’t think about it too much. Same thing happens later in the day. Looked at Event Viewer and found crash dump errors. Was referring to storage again which was strange. The time of the log was always right after waking back up from hibernating. So I disabled hibernate.
Ran prime 95 for a while with no issues. CPU only hit 66c with the wraith cooler (first air cooler I’ve used in a decade +) which I thought wasn’t bad at all. Then did my overclock on the GPU and benched that for a few hours. Everything’s been stable since but dear lord. I build often for myself and others but I’ve never had so many finicky issues with any of the Intel builds I’ve done. I’ve got 3 intels currently in the house and I’ve probably built 10+ for others. I’ve only built 2x Ryzen systems and probably a handful of older AMD systems. Idk if it is just this Auros board but this was a pain.
Built with a Gigabyte Auros Ultra x570, 3x500 GB NVME drives. 3x SSD and a 3700x.
Got into windows and bam blue screen. Then another and a few more over and over. Seemed to figure it out fairly quickly that there is an issue with the Auros RGB controller software and the A2000 NVME drives. This wasn’t just RGB fusion but Aura also. Icue is fine.
Then I had issues with one of the SSDs. Could create a Partition but not a volume. Removed the disk and bam virtual disk service broke and couldn’t get into disk management. Decided to do a bios update. Rebooted and reinstalled windows. Then I got raid disk errors in EV. At this point I was like wtf is going on and started to regret this build.
Went back to bios and checked disk config and it’s not setup for raid. Looked at bios rev and it’s still at R11 and not the new R20. Start to suspect dual bios but didn’t feel like messing with it so unplugged the box. Shorted the clear cmos jumpers and said screw it. Installed windows and everything seemed fine. Get my stuff installed.
Next morning the PC was asleep. Hit the keyboard and it comes up fresh. Even tho I had been working on some stuff. Didn’t think about it too much. Same thing happens later in the day. Looked at Event Viewer and found crash dump errors. Was referring to storage again which was strange. The time of the log was always right after waking back up from hibernating. So I disabled hibernate.
Ran prime 95 for a while with no issues. CPU only hit 66c with the wraith cooler (first air cooler I’ve used in a decade +) which I thought wasn’t bad at all. Then did my overclock on the GPU and benched that for a few hours. Everything’s been stable since but dear lord. I build often for myself and others but I’ve never had so many finicky issues with any of the Intel builds I’ve done. I’ve got 3 intels currently in the house and I’ve probably built 10+ for others. I’ve only built 2x Ryzen systems and probably a handful of older AMD systems. Idk if it is just this Auros board but this was a pain.
Myths
Member
I see I see, yeah I’m heavy on the video editing and graphics design. Just can’t wait until the next major release. Gotta stay at the top.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
And last pics after cleaning and restoring before bringing it back to basement. I live in an apartment on last floor (3rd) and cellar is on floor 0... so hope it won't get stolen too fast!
It's way too hot now and my flat is too small to have all of this around so it will have to wait for winter
It's way too hot now and my flat is too small to have all of this around so it will have to wait for winter
JohnnyFootball
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It's really impossible to argue how much better a deal an AMD 5700XT is right now vs the 2070 Super and 2060 Super.
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Geez that is a sick deal. I have a 2080 and a part of me would rather sell it and pick this up right now.Newegg Promo Code | (EXTRA 35% Off COUPON) | May 2021
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It's really impossible to argue how much better a deal an AMD 5700XT is right now vs the 2070 Super and 2060 Super.
JohnnyFootball
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Help! I bought an Asrock Z490M motherboard and I noticed that it required the usual 8-pin 12V, which my power supply has, but it does not have the 4-pin 12V. Right now the PC will boot. Is the additional 12V 4-pin necessary for basic use. Its not going to be overclocked or anything crazy.
Any suggestions? We would prefer to not have to replace the power supply.
Any suggestions? We would prefer to not have to replace the power supply.
PhoenixTank
Member
It'll be fine with just the 8 pin.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
My understanding is that the extra 4-pin is really only needed for overclocking. He plans to do some gaming at some point.
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PhoenixTank
Member
Correct. You can always GPU & CPU stress test at the same time if you don't want to take anyone's word for it.
GHG
Gold Member
I read a lot about this over the last month or so when deciding whether I should get a new PSU for my new build since the motherboard I got has 2 8 pin CPU connectors.
The following is an important read as it will give you some insight as to what's going on when you connect 1 connector vs all of the connectors available on your motherboard:
Yes one connector will work "fine" but it will put more strain on that single connector to deliver the power necessary and will lead to increased current going through a single connector which leads to more heat. And that's even at stock settings:
Using all of the power connections available spreads the load which reduces the strain on a single connector which is better for the long term health of both your motherboard and PSU. The images above are why you will sometimes read horror stories of people with burnt out (or melted) power connectors on their motherboard, that's where all the heat gets dumped and these connectors are made out of plastic.
First port of call should be to check what your motherboard manual says. If it says to use all the power connectors available then go with that to be on the safe side. If you end up with a burnt out EPS connector and it turns out it was because you were only using one of the 2 connectors available then they will likely not be too kind with you in the event of any potential warranty claims should it go wrong.
So in summary, yes only using one connector will "work", but to be on the safe side (and for long term use) I'd recommend you find a high quality PSU that will allow you to plug both in if that's what your motherboard manual instructs you to do.
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JohnnyFootball
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At least I hope.
The CPU being used is a 10700 non-K model, so no overclocking will ever be done. In theory it's unlikely the CPU will be having any serious stress testing done.I read a lot about this over the last month or so when deciding whether I should get a new PSU for my new build since the motherboard I got has 2 8 pin CPU connectors.
The following is an important read as it will give you some insight as to what's going on when you connect 1 connector vs all of the connectors available on your motherboard:
Yes one connector will work "fine" but it will put more strain on that single connector to deliver the power necessary and will lead to increased current going through a single connector which leads to more heat. And that's even at stock settings:
Using all of the power connections available spreads the load which reduces the strain on a single connector which is better for the long term health of both your motherboard and PSU. The images above are why you will sometimes read horror stories of people with burnt out (or melted) power connectors on their motherboard, that's where all the heat gets dumped and these connectors are made out of plastic.
First port of call should be to check what your motherboard manual says. If it says to use all the power connectors available then go with that to be on the safe side. If you end up with a burnt out EPS connector and it turns out it was because you were only using one of the 2 connectors available then they will likely not be too kind with you in the event of any potential warranty claims should it go wrong.
So in summary, yes only using one connector will "work", but to be on the safe side (and for long term use) I'd recommend you find a high quality PSU that will allow you to plug both in if that's what your motherboard manual instructs you to do.
At least I hope.
GHG
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In theory it should be ok but if you ever want to relax the power limits in the bios to allow for the max turbo clocks then make sure that second power connector gets filled because that CPU can still come in hot:
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Nothing exotic (definitely no OCing) is going on and I "should be fine," BUT.....for piece of mind, do you think this would be safe?
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GHG
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Honestly I have no idea, I didn't even know they existed. It might be ok if it can supply sufficient power and the wiring/connectors are high enough quality, but then I've also heard of molex->sata adapters causing fires...
You'd need to do some research to know if going that route will be safe or not.
PhoenixTank
Member
...say goodbye to your data. My immediate reaction when seeing that cable too... the opposite of peace of mind.
JohnnyFootball
No real warnings or YOU MUST DO THIS language in the manual. Page 22. Hell it mentions 4pin in an "okay if that is all you have" kind of way (not that I suggest that either)
Yes, it says "please" for ATX12V2, but it also says please for a thunderbolt add in connector too. I'm reading as "please only connect".
Let's do some maths here.
18 gauge ATX12V wire is apparently rated for 7 amps. An 8 pin has four active cables, and four ground. 12v x 4cables x 7A = 336W. Easily surpasses that ~250W full system draw for a PL removed 10700. That MSI-related link (with the IR temperature images) confirms as much on the power delivery but crucially seems to centre around HEDT platforms i.e X299 and a 9980XE (18 cores on 14nm!). They're using 8+8+8 to allow for an extreme overclock on an 18 core processor. Not entirely surprised that considerations are made for a setup like that.
This all assumes a good PSU to begin with.
For full disclosure: Do I have 8+8 pins plugged into my X570 with a 3950X? Yes, yes I do. Does it need it? Good god no. They're only there because the PSU has them. Pretty sure I'd be fine using 8 Pin with PBO on too. Not apples to apples with the Intel parts, of course.
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