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"I Need a New PC!" 2020. Ray Tracing. 120Hz-360Hz. Next-Gen Already.

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Leonidas

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yeah i was thinking of upgraded the cpu i have a 144hz monitor and i want to get better frames for it.


yeah i have a 144hz monitor and i really want the frames.


yeah i want more frames for my monitor but i really want to upgrade something soon.

thanks y'all

If you upgrade CPU and stick with the 2060 Super your FPS average will remain basically the same in most games.

If you're playing modern demanding games at max settings you will see a bigger FPS increase by getting a better GPU. 2060 Super is not enough for 1080p144 max settings in a number of recent games...
 
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If you upgrade CPU and stick with the 2060 Super your FPS average will remain basically the same in most games.

If you're playing modern demanding games at max settings you will see a bigger FPS increase by getting a better GPU. 2060 Super is not enough for 1080p144 max settings in a number of recent games...
Ohh ok and sorry I forgot I have a 1440p 144hz monitor so it would be better for me to get an rtx 2080
 

Durask

Member
Wow, looks like most online retailers are sold out of cheaper Ryzens (between $150-180) and cheap Ryzen motherboards.

People upgrading their PCs en masse because of covid lockdown?
 

DeaDPo0L84

Member
I have a 2070 Super paired with a 17-9700k, I am wanting to get whatever the top tier card is in the 3000 series, is it safe to assume it will pair fine with my current cpu?
 

Pantz

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Weird question, I have kind of an older PC with a GTX 1080 and I'm wondering what would happen if I bought a 3440 X 1440 120Hz monitor. Would I be able to run games on it maybe at a 2560 X 1080 resolution and have a good time with it or would it be a waste? It feels really hard to save up enough to buy one of these cool monitors and a new PC at the same time so that's why I'm wondering.
 

//DEVIL//

Banned
I am currently building a PC right now. I have already got my i5 9600k along with 32G Ram . AIO cooler and good motherboard along with 5 fans. all corsair RGB. which is great. now i just need a video card. my question is.

Would you buy a 2080 Super used for 600$ ( thats the price i can find online these days ) or wait for 3080/3070 ?

the problem is next week they will talk about Ampere. but when the cards will be out ? should i just grab something stupid like the RX 580 used and wait on that card for a while till i get a better 3000 series card or just buy 2080 super and call it a day.

Wish i know how powerful next gen cards gonna be. because depending on their power i will decide if i should buy Xbox Series X or just a graphics card.

PS5 is a lock buy even if it has PS4 pro graphics. i buy that console for its games anyway.
 
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GreatnessRD

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Weird question, I have kind of an older PC with a GTX 1080 and I'm wondering what would happen if I bought a 3440 X 1440 120Hz monitor. Would I be able to run games on it maybe at a 2560 X 1080 resolution and have a good time with it or would it be a waste? It feels really hard to save up enough to buy one of these cool monitors and a new PC at the same time so that's why I'm wondering.
What's the rest of your specs?

//DEVIL// //DEVIL// I'd at least wait till the reveal. And if the wait for the release is too long for you, then go grab a 2080.
 
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longdi

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i5 4690K 3.50 GHz
8GB DDR3 1600MHz
750W Corsair CX750M

It's 5 years old. Almost time to send it to live at the farm.

a good new monitor can last you long. Sadly monitor tech is stuck with either high refresh rates but shitty panels, or good panels but shitty refresh rate.
To get the 'ultimate' monitors today, you need to spend a lot.
your specs wont get you 120hz in modern games though.
 
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Mista

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a good new monitor can last you long. Sadly monitor tech is stuck with either high refresh rates but shitty panels, or good panels but shitty refresh rate.
To get the 'ultimate' monitors today, you need to spend a lot.
your specs wont get you 120hz in modern games though.
My monitor is 1440p/165hz. IPS panel
 

Mista

Banned
probably tiny 27", low grade IPS, 6+2bit frc, no hdr. :messenger_poop:
or expensive.
27” isn’t “tiny” and its perfect for competitive games. Like if HDR is implemented well on PC? Its garbage but it still has HDR

 

longdi

Banned
Please enlighten me with a good monitor since you seem to know it all

I dont think there are any for now. Monitors are shit.
This will like cost almost as much as Apple xdr.

Or this, fo $3.5K. Seems only Asus and Acer are releasing such high end monitors, all with their share of bugs, for the last 3 years.

Oled seems good value but too big for near field PC.
 
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Mista

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OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
I dont think there are any for now. Monitors are shit.
This will like cost almost as much as Apple xdr.

Or this, fo $3.5K. Seems only Asus and Acer are releasing such high end monitors, all with their share of bugs, for the last 3 years.

Oled seems good value but too big for near field PC.
God this is true. 99% of monitors are dogshit for iq. The ones that are good are 2500 plus. You can geta 65 inch oled or qled for that price that will be superior in almost all respects. It's really frustrating.
 
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What's the consensus of monitor resolution for gaming in 2020?

1080p vs 1440p

The price difference is massive, but I also don't want to have a notably worse experience. :/
 

Pantz

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a good new monitor can last you long. Sadly monitor tech is stuck with either high refresh rates but shitty panels, or good panels but shitty refresh rate.
To get the 'ultimate' monitors today, you need to spend a lot.
your specs wont get you 120hz in modern games though.
This one seems to be getting solid reviews for a while.
And Amazon doing no questions asked returns on ones with defects helping the score.
 

Ascend

Member
I am currently building a PC right now. I have already got my i5 9600k along with 32G Ram . AIO cooler and good motherboard along with 5 fans. all corsair RGB. which is great. now i just need a video card. my question is.

Would you buy a 2080 Super used for 600$ ( thats the price i can find online these days ) or wait for 3080/3070 ?

the problem is next week they will talk about Ampere. but when the cards will be out ? should i just grab something stupid like the RX 580 used and wait on that card for a while till i get a better 3000 series card or just buy 2080 super and call it a day.

Wish i know how powerful next gen cards gonna be. because depending on their power i will decide if i should buy Xbox Series X or just a graphics card.

PS5 is a lock buy even if it has PS4 pro graphics. i buy that console for its games anyway.
Why you would go for a 9600k today is beyond me. But in any case... In my opinion, get a placeholder card for now and skip the RTX 2080S, especially second hand. Competition seems to be brewing on the horizon, and most likely you'll get much better deals in the later part of this year.
 

GreatnessRD

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What's the consensus of monitor resolution for gaming in 2020?

1080p vs 1440p

The price difference is massive, but I also don't want to have a notably worse experience. :/
That is entirely up to you, however, a lot of people are moving towards 1440p. I plan to make the move to 1440p when the new GPU's are released. I'm currently on 1080p with the ability to get 144hz, but my 1060(3gb) can't handle that work.
 

DGrayson

Mod Team and Bat Team
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What's the consensus of monitor resolution for gaming in 2020?

1080p vs 1440p

The price difference is massive, but I also don't want to have a notably worse experience. :/


Here is my advice. First consider screen size. Smaller than 25"? Probably you would be fine with 1080p.

Second, do you already have a 1080p monitor that you are happy with? I had a 1080p monitor that I loved. i had some cash so I upgraded to 1440p. Of course 1440p looks better but 1080p looked great.

Also consider other things about monitors not just resolution like - what kind of Panel (TN, IPS, VA), adaptive sync technologies, refresh rates etc.

My point is that dont get caught up in the resolution wars. 1080p on a smaller screen with a super fast IPS panel or a super fast and good looking TN panel with a suepr high refresh rate is a great setup, and you wont need to spend as much on a GPU.
 
Here is my advice. First consider screen size. Smaller than 25"? Probably you would be fine with 1080p.

Second, do you already have a 1080p monitor that you are happy with? I had a 1080p monitor that I loved. i had some cash so I upgraded to 1440p. Of course 1440p looks better but 1080p looked great.

Also consider other things about monitors not just resolution like - what kind of Panel (TN, IPS, VA), adaptive sync technologies, refresh rates etc.

My point is that dont get caught up in the resolution wars. 1080p on a smaller screen with a super fast IPS panel or a super fast and good looking TN panel with a suepr high refresh rate is a great setup, and you wont need to spend as much on a GPU.

Thx.

Can you recommend both a good 1080p and 1440p monitor? Ideally the most affordable ones that still have all the basic features (144Hz, low response time, good colors, etc) :eek:
 

D.Final

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I dont think there are any for now. Monitors are shit.
This will like cost almost as much as Apple xdr.

Or this, fo $3.5K. Seems only Asus and Acer are releasing such high end monitors, all with their share of bugs, for the last 3 years.

Oled seems good value but too big for near field PC.

Cool
 

//DEVIL//

Banned
Why you would go for a 9600k today is beyond me. But in any case... In my opinion, get a placeholder card for now and skip the RTX 2080S, especially second hand. Competition seems to be brewing on the horizon, and most likely you'll get much better deals in the later part of this year.
Well for starters it was a dead cheap brand new ( 120$ Canadian which is like 80 or 90$ US ? )
What cpu should I have grabbed ?
 
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Arun1910

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I have a 2070 Super paired with a 17-9700k, I am wanting to get whatever the top tier card is in the 3000 series, is it safe to assume it will pair fine with my current cpu?

I think that's fine. You have 8 Cores and 8 Threads there and you can overclock up to 5Ghz too.

This CPU is actually one that I am thinking of upgrading too...that or the i7 10700k 8 Cores 16 threads just because I will upgrade in June.

I have a 2080Ti at the moment and I'm running an i7 7700, no overclock that is 4 cores and 8 threads. I am on a 1440p monitor too.

I actually have no issue at all with my CPU unless it is certain games such as Assassins Creed Origins or Odyssey, but those games are unoptimsed as hell.

So yeah, TL:DR, I think your CPU is fine.
 
what size?

The reasonable minimum? :i I guess 24 inch for 1080p and 27 inch for 1440p, right?

Btw it's really hard deciding which 2070 Super gpu to choose. It must fit my thermaltake core v1 case and ought to be as quiet as possible. But pcpartpicker doesn't help here. Maybe someone here coincidentially knows?
 

OmegaSupreme

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The reasonable minimum? :i I guess 24 inch for 1080p and 27 inch for 1440p, right?

Btw it's really hard deciding which 2070 Super gpu to choose. It must fit my thermaltake core v1 case and ought to be as quiet as possible. But pcpartpicker doesn't help here. Maybe someone here coincidentially knows?
I can give a reccomend for a 27 inch 1440p monitor. The lg gl850 I believe is the model number. Ips. 1440p. 144hz. Great color reproduction. Freesync/gsync compatible. Mediocre contrast ratio but most of these gaming panels are like that. It's about 499 new if you can find one.
 

DGrayson

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The reasonable minimum? :i I guess 24 inch for 1080p and 27 inch for 1440p, right?

Btw it's really hard deciding which 2070 Super gpu to choose. It must fit my thermaltake core v1 case and ought to be as quiet as possible. But pcpartpicker doesn't help here. Maybe someone here coincidentially knows?

Im not sure you should think of it in that order.

If I were you I would look at screen sizes and pick a size you want (regardless of resolution). You should also think of a budget (in a range) and finally research a bit between TN and IPS panels. Quick version is TN Panels are usually faster but image isnt as good and degrades and an angle. IPS is usually better looking but not quite as fast (athough that is changing), they look better at an angle but sometimes you can get a bit of IPS "glow". Most people say that if you arent super serious about fast twitch games like FPS or Fortnight or something IPS is really preferred. I personally have TN just because I do play a lot of FPS and I like fast panels and I have a second screen which is IPS for movies or something. TN are also cheaper.

Once you have an idea of size, budget and if you have a preference of TN or IPS THEN come back and I can give some recommendations for both 1080p and 1440p
 
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Alrite.
I've decided I need a new monitor to go with my new build. In the absence of a Monitor OT, I i figured I'd ask here.

As a reference point, at the moment I'm using a 9yr old LG 25" LED TV (TN Panel, 1080p). I'm aware probably anything new will be an improvement. Because of my specs I'm sticking to Full HD @ 75hz monitors.

I'm looking at the IIyama GB2530HSU which is a 24.5" TN panel, 1080p @ 75hz with freesync. I can get that for £125

Or, the Acer BW257 which is a 25" 16:10 IPS panel 1200p @ 75hz with freesync. I can get that for £165

Or there are two Acer Nitro (VG240y and RG240Y) which are 23.8" IPS Panel, 1080p@75hz with freesync. £140 for those.


I'm leaning towards the Acer given the extra pixels and the extra real estate that 16:10 brings with it. But in the interest of saving money.... The Iiyama looks a good choice and £40 is quite a saving. I'm guessing that a modern TN panel will blow a 9yr old one out the water, but still come up short against an IPS option.

The Acer's are a halfway house, IPS panel but less screen estate.

Thoughts?
 

DGrayson

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Alrite.
I've decided I need a new monitor to go with my new build. In the absence of a Monitor OT, I i figured I'd ask here.

As a reference point, at the moment I'm using a 9yr old LG 25" LED TV (TN Panel, 1080p). I'm aware probably anything new will be an improvement. Because of my specs I'm sticking to Full HD @ 75hz monitors.

I'm looking at the IIyama GB2530HSU which is a 24.5" TN panel, 1080p @ 75hz with freesync. I can get that for £125

Or, the Acer BW257 which is a 25" 16:10 IPS panel 1200p @ 75hz with freesync. I can get that for £165

Or there are two Acer Nitro (VG240y and RG240Y) which are 23.8" IPS Panel, 1080p@75hz with freesync. £140 for those.


I'm leaning towards the Acer given the extra pixels and the extra real estate that 16:10 brings with it. But in the interest of saving money.... The Iiyama looks a good choice and £40 is quite a saving. I'm guessing that a modern TN panel will blow a 9yr old one out the water, but still come up short against an IPS option.

The Acer's are a halfway house, IPS panel but less screen estate.

Thoughts?


LG IPS are recommended as well ...
 
Im not sure you should think of it in that order.

If I were you I would look at screen sizes and pick a size you want (regardless of resolution). You should also think of a budget (in a range) and finally research a bit between TN and IPS panels. Quick version is TN Panels are usually faster but image isnt as good and degrades and an angle. IPS is usually better looking but not quite as fast (athough that is changing), they look better at an angle but sometimes you can get a bit of IPS "glow". Most people say that if you arent super serious about fast twitch games like FPS or Fortnight or something IPS is really preferred. I personally have TN just because I do play a lot of FPS and I like fast panels and I have a second screen which is IPS for movies or something. TN are also cheaper.

Once you have an idea of size, budget and if you have a preference of TN or IPS THEN come back and I can give some recommendations for both 1080p and 1440p

I won't but able to go to a big tech store to look at sizes, but i've got an old 32 inch hd ready-tv here, so really 24-27 seems good in terms of size. Naturally I'd choose the higher res for 27, the lower res for 24 inch.

Budget depends on resolution. I'm willing to pay up to 500 Euro for a good 1440p monitor. For a 1080p monitor, I'd expect to pay half or less, as saving money would be my main reason to choose that one.

Panel definitely should be IPS. I'll play Counterstrike or Team Fortress 2 sometimes, but casually, not competitive. Mostly playing singleplayer rpgs or story-focused games, some rts, too. There's VA displays, too, which see to be in-between TN and IPS. Anyway, a fast IPS monitor with 1440p, g-sync and hdr is probably what I'm looking for. Ought to have an hdmi-in, too, so I could use it for an Xbox or switch if i choose to.

Hope that narrows it down a bit.
 

DeaDPo0L84

Member
I think that's fine. You have 8 Cores and 8 Threads there and you can overclock up to 5Ghz too.

This CPU is actually one that I am thinking of upgrading too...that or the i7 10700k 8 Cores 16 threads just because I will upgrade in June.

I have a 2080Ti at the moment and I'm running an i7 7700, no overclock that is 4 cores and 8 threads. I am on a 1440p monitor too.

I actually have no issue at all with my CPU unless it is certain games such as Assassins Creed Origins or Odyssey, but those games are unoptimsed as hell.

So yeah, TL:DR, I think your CPU is fine.

Thanks for the reassurance, this was my first PC build and still not super knowledgeable about what works with what.
 

DGrayson

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I won't but able to go to a big tech store to look at sizes, but i've got an old 32 inch hd ready-tv here, so really 24-27 seems good in terms of size. Naturally I'd choose the higher res for 27, the lower res for 24 inch.

Budget depends on resolution. I'm willing to pay up to 500 Euro for a good 1440p monitor. For a 1080p monitor, I'd expect to pay half or less, as saving money would be my main reason to choose that one.

Panel definitely should be IPS. I'll play Counterstrike or Team Fortress 2 sometimes, but casually, not competitive. Mostly playing singleplayer rpgs or story-focused games, some rts, too. There's VA displays, too, which see to be in-between TN and IPS. Anyway, a fast IPS monitor with 1440p, g-sync and hdr is probably what I'm looking for. Ought to have an hdmi-in, too, so I could use it for an Xbox or switch if i choose to.

Hope that narrows it down a bit.


Just get this - https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07XVYGWSM/

LGs are good monitors, price is right, very fast IPS, HDR support etc etc.
 

GHG

Gold Member
Why would I need a 4K monitor? I’m sorry but 4K gaming is dumb. 1440p is the sweet spot for me and I’d take higher fps on 1440/1080 than play on 4K

I agree but the monitor market has really stagnated in recent years and for some reason you can't get a monitor with high quality colour reproduction and real HDR and high refresh rate and freesync for a reasonable price.

Like OmegaSupreme OmegaSupreme mentioned, if you want all of those things then a recent generation mid-thigh end QLED or OLED panel if your only choice since they all do 1440p @ 120hz, they do real HDR and you don't miss out in any other critical areas. Not everyone will be willing to (or want to) use a panel of that size for their daily PC driver though.

Personally I love my Q70r, my productivity has also gone through the roof since pairing it with my PC. I was going to get one of those 49 inch super ultrawide monitors but then I realised for less money I could get a better panel that's the same width but with more vertical space.

I don't know why the PC monitor market has become what it has become in recent years but it very much resembles the situation we had with CPU's for a long time. Stagnation.
 
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DGrayson

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Looks good, but reviews seem to imply the ips glow with that one is severe :(

Thx anyway!


One thing I learned is that dont let 3 bad reviews offset 500 good ones. I tend to do that as well.

The second thing is that there is no prefect monitor or perfect montior tech. THere will always be something, IPS glow, bad viewing angles/not as good colors with TN, shitty HDR implementation. So you will have to make sacrifices somewhere. Also you have a panel lottery, so one panel with IPS glow for someone may not have the same IPS glow for someone else.

Unfortunately you just have to compromise somewhere with monitors.

Or do like me and you have 1 TN for gaming and 1 IPS next to it for movies :D


EDIT - Getting something perfect is impossible but for the best you have to pay. TFT Central is the definitive gaming monitor review website. Check their "recommended" monitors here - https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/awards.htm


Here is another LG, approved by TFT, above 500 though. Again you see some people have IPS glow but thats just the tech, it happens.

 
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PhoenixTank

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I usually recommended the 3600 with a 400 series board (which was made obsolete by AMD today).
I see a lot of upset people online because they unknowingly bought a dead-end AM4 platform since AMD kept that info secret till today...

That is a reason to have buyers remorse. Anyone who took my recommendation on 3600 + 400 series last year is forced to buy a new MOBO and CPU whenever they want to upgrade. Seeing a $120 CPU (3300x) + $100 MOBO (B550) with future upgradeability just makes my budget recommendation last year look even worse. I am embarrassed and ashamed. And if they don't feel buyer's remorse, I feel it for them.
Sorry for the delay here, but did want to respond.
For anyone with an X470 board this situation really sucks and I'm disappointed especially given how long B550 was delayed for.
The B450 situation isn't quite so bad - the cost delta between that and a decent X570 at the time probably leaves enough leftover for a B550 purchase. Not to excuse it but shouldn't be too awful to solve.
This is all something that should have been communicated way before now, but I really hope they find some sort of middle ground given the backlash.

You were working with the same information as the rest of us. You can't retroactively go back and change the choice when the reality is that these new parts weren't even available. I do lean into "wait if you can" but sometimes you've just got to buy. It is a burn for anyone making the purchase in the past few weeks, though, but don't feel bad.
 

DeaDPo0L84

Member
Looks good, but reviews seem to imply the ips glow with that one is severe :(

Thx anyway!

My wife has that monitor while I use the Asus 27" pg279q, trust me I am pretty anal when it comes to things and hers is great, no issues. Like the other guy mentioned, don't let a very few handful of negative mentions negate the swarm of positive ones.
 
My wife has that monitor while I use the Asus 27" pg279q, trust me I am pretty anal when it comes to things and hers is great, no issues. Like the other guy mentioned, don't let a very few handful of negative mentions negate the swarm of positive ones.

Yeah, I looked into it and seems ips glow is 'normal' for ips monitors.

I'll be getting this one or the one that Digital Foundry recommends. Not in a hurry.

DGrayson DGrayson Do you see the difference between your recommendation and this one? It's over 100 Euro more expensive , but I can't seem to find out why:

 
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Guileless

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I don't see anything here or on the front page about the Nvidia announcement, so is it safe to assume it was a total dud and waiting to build is fool's god?
 

MEATER

Member
I hope you guys can give me some quick advice:

I have a i5-3570k a 4GB 980 (non ti) and 16 GB RAM. I game at a 1080p 144hz screen.

What's a good upgrade for around 300 EUR?

Seems like the biggest problem atm is the 4GB GPU? Games I currently play are Division 2, Doom Eternal and Assassins Creed Odyssey. They seem to have decent ~60 fps at medium to high but suffer from stuttering/little freezes that I guess come from loading textures into the GPU RAM. So I guess I should look for a GPU with 6-8GB like the 1660ti or 2060 super?
 

I_D

Member
I hope you guys can give me some quick advice:

I have a i5-3570k a 4GB 980 (non ti) and 16 GB RAM. I game at a 1080p 144hz screen.

What's a good upgrade for around 300 EUR?

Seems like the biggest problem atm is the 4GB GPU? Games I currently play are Division 2, Doom Eternal and Assassins Creed Odyssey. They seem to have decent ~60 fps at medium to high but suffer from stuttering/little freezes that I guess come from loading textures into the GPU RAM. So I guess I should look for a GPU with 6-8GB like the 1660ti or 2060 super?

The GPU is definitely your biggest hindrance at the moment, though your CPU is also pretty old at this point.
You can get away with a new GPU to see some substantial results in today's world.
Once the new consoles release, though, you'll definitely want to upgrade the whole thing. A new CPU will be the primary concern.

Unfortunately, a new CPU also means new MOBO and RAM, which basically makes it a brand new computer.

You're also in an interesting point of time.
I really recommend not buying a new GPU at the moment.
The new Nvidia cards will be releasing within a few months, and they're reportedly going to blow away what we have now. I'd definitely wait a bit to see what pops up.












Alright, folks. I have a particularly niche question.
I'm trying to wire the house for internet with Cat6a connections in a bunch of the rooms.

This is my current modem:


(Ignore the unpeeled plastic; it came in like an hour ago)

Question 1: Is this type of modem also a router?
Question 2: Do you think Cat6a will last for the next 10-ish years, or should I spend a gazillion dollars and get Cat7?
Question 3: If it is a router, will this work with a switch? Or do I need to get a separate router before the switch?

TL-DR - Can this setup work with just a switch, or do I need to buy a router first, then hook that up to a switch?

I have Comcast's Xfinity service.
I'm going to be calling Comcast to verify everything; but I also don't trust their customer-service. Those guys have proven themselves to be out of their league in the past.
 

longdi

Banned
I hope you guys can give me some quick advice:

I have a i5-3570k a 4GB 980 (non ti) and 16 GB RAM. I game at a 1080p 144hz screen.

What's a good upgrade for around 300 EUR?

Seems like the biggest problem atm is the 4GB GPU? Games I currently play are Division 2, Doom Eternal and Assassins Creed Odyssey. They seem to have decent ~60 fps at medium to high but suffer from stuttering/little freezes that I guess come from loading textures into the GPU RAM. So I guess I should look for a GPU with 6-8GB like the 1660ti or 2060 super?

Yes 4GB vram and 4c/4t at 3.8ghz (assume no overclock) will cause stutters! Made worse if no SSD.

Imo save up increase your budget. Seems like your PC needs an overhaul, your cpu is 8 years now. What a soldier, consoles would have rrod. PC master :messenger_bicep:

Or yeah you could get a 8GB 5700XT, push your 3570K to 4.2ghz, i guess?
 
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