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"I Need a New PC!" 2020. Ray Tracing. 120Hz-360Hz. Next-Gen Already.

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longdi

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Alright, folks. I have a particularly niche question.
I'm trying to wire the house for internet with Cat6a connections in a bunch of the rooms.

This is my current modem:


(Ignore the unpeeled plastic; it came in like an hour ago)

Question 1: Is this type of modem also a router?
Question 2: Do you think Cat6a will last for the next 10-ish years, or should I spend a gazillion dollars and get Cat7?
Question 3: If it is a router, will this work with a switch? Or do I need to get a separate router before the switch?

TL-DR - Can this setup work with just a switch, or do I need to buy a router first, then hook that up to a switch?

I have Comcast's Xfinity service.
I'm going to be calling Comcast to verify everything; but I also don't trust their customer-service. Those guys have proven themselves to be out of their league in the past.

Yes it looks like those integrated modem/wifi router because it has ssid, wps and mac id. You can test connecting your phone using the ssid.

cat6a is fine for home laying imo, my (oldish) office iirc use cat6 only.
gazilion dollars dont sound worth it. :eek:
 

I_D

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Yes it looks like those integrated modem/wifi router because it has ssid, wps and mac id. You can test connecting your phone using the ssid.

cat6a is fine for home laying imo, my (oldish) office iirc use cat6 only.
gazilion dollars dont sound worth it. :eek:

I can connect with my phone without a problem.
Any idea how to test if a switch would work, versus a router + switch?

I know all about building computers, but networking is beyond my skill level. :messenger_crying:
 

D.Final

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I can connect with my phone without a problem.
Any idea how to test if a switch would work, versus a router + switch?

I know all about building computers, but networking is beyond my skill level. :messenger_crying:

Try to see some guides online.
Even Youtube video
 

MEATER

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The new Nvidia cards will be releasing within a few months, and they're reportedly going to blow away what we have now. I'd definitely wait a bit to see what pops up.

Yeah, it was pretty much the plan to hold out until 2021 even just to see what the new consoles bring to the table. I'll look out for a deal on a 2060 Super under 400 EUR and see if I can get one before the new cards are at least announced. Maybe switch to play some older games in the meantime.

Imo save up increase your budget. Seems like your PC needs an overhaul, your cpu is 8 years now. What a soldier, consoles would have rrod. PC master :messenger_bicep:

Yeah, it really did well. I upgraded the GPU once frome the 660 I got when I build the system and when through 2 SSD upgrades but otherwise it did pretty well until the games showed up that really want more than 4 cores.

If I go from Nvidia to AMD GPU wise - will I have to make a clean install of windows? Or can I just remove the Nvidia drivers and install AMD? I guess the AMD GPUs are a little cheaper than Nvidias and besides the raytracing might be the better deal.
 

D.Final

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Yeah, it was pretty much the plan to hold out until 2021 even just to see what the new consoles bring to the table. I'll look out for a deal on a 2060 Super under 400 EUR and see if I can get one before the new cards are at least announced. Maybe switch to play some older games in the meantime.



Yeah, it really did well. I upgraded the GPU once frome the 660 I got when I build the system and when through 2 SSD upgrades but otherwise it did pretty well until the games showed up that really want more than 4 cores.

If I go from Nvidia to AMD GPU wise - will I have to make a clean install of windows? Or can I just remove the Nvidia drivers and install AMD? I guess the AMD GPUs are a little cheaper than Nvidias and besides the raytracing might be the better deal.

Clean all first
 

Hendrick's

If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
So I’m looking to build or buy a PC primarily for strategy games but would like to also play Game Pass games. I will need every components including monitor. I have a budget of about $1,000 USD. Any help getting me started would be appreciated.
 

longdi

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So I’m looking to build or buy a PC primarily for strategy games but would like to also play Game Pass games. I will need every components including monitor. I have a budget of about $1,000 USD. Any help getting me started would be appreciated.

Abit tough, but i guess something like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BRwZdm

But i will wait till Jun, lots of development coming in the next 2 weeks. :messenger_bicep:
 
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kiphalfton

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Sold my GTX 1070 Ti, was going to wait until ampere stuff was released, couldn't handle not having a graphics card for several months, and bought an asrock rx 5500 xt.

Paid $165 for it, and came with a $15 rebate. The plan is to sell the bundled games for $35 (resident evil 3, ghost recon breakpoints and 3 months game pass). So hopefully get the total price down to $115. Will sell the graphics card once ampere stuff comes out.

Did I goof?
 
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PhoenixTank

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What motherboard(s) are recommended now for Ryzen 7 3700x builds?
Depends what features you want on the board really, but all the recent boards will happily support that 8 core part.

Basic guidelines from a mix of hands-on experience and things I've read/watched:

Most MSI X570 boards at the mid-low end have poor VRMs, and should be avoided except Unify & (probably) Tomahawk. The higher end stuff (ACE & up, I think) is fine too if it ticks the right boxes for the price for you.
Gigabyte X570 boards are good on paper but have some weird BIOS/sleep/reset issues that are more of a problem at the low end. I like my Aorus Master, but I have no idea what they're playing at with their XMP defaults.
Asus X570 are apparently fine, particularly the TUF as a budget board, but slow with BIOS updates.
ASRock boards can be excellent value for money and there is plenty of love out there for the Taichi boards.

Looking at the imminently releasing B550 boards would be the cheapest option I'd personally go for.

Sold my GTX 1070 Ti, was going to wait until ampere stuff was released, couldn't handle not having a graphics card for several months, and bought an asrock rx 5500 xt.

Paid $165 for it, and came with a $15 rebate. The plan is to sell the bundled games for $35 (resident evil 3, ghost recon breakpoints and 3 months game pass). So hopefully get the total price down to $115. Will sell the graphics card once ampere stuff comes out.

Did I goof?
Depends how much you sold the 1070Ti for and how much you expect to get for the 5500 XT in a few months, I guess?
 

raduque

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Has anybody here put a Kraken G12 aio bracket on an evga rtx 2060 ko?

NZXT tells me it's compatible, but I haven't actually run across anybody who has done it.

I already have the bracket and AIO, I'm using it in my RX580 4gb, which isn't quite good enough for 1080p high settings anymore.
 

kiphalfton

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Depends what features you want on the board really, but all the recent boards will happily support that 8 core part.

Basic guidelines from a mix of hands-on experience and things I've read/watched:

Most MSI X570 boards at the mid-low end have poor VRMs, and should be avoided except Unify & (probably) Tomahawk. The higher end stuff (ACE & up, I think) is fine too if it ticks the right boxes for the price for you.
Gigabyte X570 boards are good on paper but have some weird BIOS/sleep/reset issues that are more of a problem at the low end. I like my Aorus Master, but I have no idea what they're playing at with their XMP defaults.
Asus X570 are apparently fine, particularly the TUF as a budget board, but slow with BIOS updates.
ASRock boards can be excellent value for money and there is plenty of love out there for the Taichi boards.

Looking at the imminently releasing B550 boards would be the cheapest option I'd personally go for.


Depends how much you sold the 1070Ti for and how much you expect to get for the 5500 XT in a few months, I guess?

Been wanting to check out AMD graphics cards for awhile, so this will hopefully scratch that itch. In any case, I sold the gtx 1070 ti for $300. Plan on selling the 5500 xt for $120 when I do sell it in a couple months.
 
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Soodanim

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I want to buy a 2nd monitor, I'm hoping someone can weigh in.
  • Will be used vertical, so I need those viewing angles. is IPS king here?
  • I don't strictly need above 1080p so I'm thinking 21" unless 1440p is worth it
  • Not for gaming, so high refresh isn't needed
My current monitor is a 24" 144hz AOC G2460PG (1080p TN), which isn't the best for reading or vertical. The new one is going to be used for productivity purposes (education) and general web use. Can anyone point me in the right direction, or perhaps just weigh in on why I should go for a higher resolution? Lots of sources seem to lean towards gaming or graphic design, so you end up with upper end recommendations. Lower end has no vertical.
 

longdi

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I want to buy a 2nd monitor, I'm hoping someone can weigh in.
  • Will be used vertical, so I need those viewing angles. is IPS king here?
  • I don't strictly need above 1080p so I'm thinking 21" unless 1440p is worth it
  • Not for gaming, so high refresh isn't needed
My current monitor is a 24" 144hz AOC G2460PG (1080p TN), which isn't the best for reading or vertical. The new one is going to be used for productivity purposes (education) and general web use. Can anyone point me in the right direction, or perhaps just weigh in on why I should go for a higher resolution? Lots of sources seem to lean towards gaming or graphic design, so you end up with upper end recommendations. Lower end has no vertical.

Yes go with 8bit IPS and yes 1440p > 1080p. Avoid IPS that states 6bit+FRC.
You wont go wrong with either Dell Ultrasharp, Samsung or LG.
The 2nd tier being Asus Benq or Acer.
 
That one is a TN screen! Not great for wor. Just making sure you know what you're buying. Ips would be a better choice for work AND gaming since theres plenty high refresh ips screens available now. Like this one for example: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E168240...g_gl850-_-24-025-955-_-Product&quicklink=true
 

benno

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Looking to get an i9 10900x (it'll be in a dual boot music production/gaming PC) in the next month or so. The thing is it needs to go in a 4u rackmount PC case so fans are limited.

Would my current Corsair H60 be ok if I don't overclock? Or what single fan liquid/low profile air cooler would be best?
 

psorcerer

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Question 1: Is this type of modem also a router?
Question 2: Do you think Cat6a will last for the next 10-ish years, or should I spend a gazillion dollars and get Cat7?
Question 3: If it is a router, will this work with a switch? Or do I need to get a separate router before the switch?

1. Yep
2. Yep. Cat6 is enough
3. Yep it will work with a switch. In fact it's a dual-port switch already. I would suggest an access point though. Will extend the WiFi range "for free".
 

I_D

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1. Yep
2. Yep. Cat6 is enough
3. Yep it will work with a switch. In fact it's a dual-port switch already. I would suggest an access point though. Will extend the WiFi range "for free".

Thanks. I got it all worked out. I finally managed to get into contact with a person at Comcast (after about 2 hours of holding) and figured out that this router will work with a switch.

I'm currently half-way through wiring the whole house with Cat6a, and I'll finish the rest of the house some time this week.
 

Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Looking to get an i9 10900x (it'll be in a dual boot music production/gaming PC) in the next month or so. The thing is it needs to go in a 4u rackmount PC case so fans are limited.

Would my current Corsair H60 be ok if I don't overclock? Or what single fan liquid/low profile air cooler would be best?

It's fine with a stock 10900K, the world's fastest gaming CPU. Though you might have to edit some settings in BIOS to make sure your board is actually running it at stock, as some boards come pre-overclocked with MCE at auto settings.

10900X (HEDT) I'm not too sure about.
 

Dr.D00p

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What’s a good cpu cooler that’s not so expensive that I can oc my i7-9700k

I have a BeQuiet Dark Rock 4 ($50-60) which is keeping my 9900K cool at 5Ghz (1.33vlts) and when I disable Hyper Threading, effectively turning it into a 9700K, its good enough to keep it cool at 5.2Ghz, which most 9700K's can overclock to.

Highly recommended, and it looks far nicer in all black, than the Noctua coolers...IMO, of course.
 

Thank you I’ll look into that cooler


8 years later still using it dh14 only on a 9900k cools like a boss.
Dang that’s awesome 😮


I have a BeQuiet Dark Rock 4 ($50-60) which is keeping my 9900K cool at 5Ghz (1.33vlts) and when I disable Hyper Threading, effectively turning it into a 9700K, its good enough to keep it cool at 5.2Ghz, which most 9700K's can overclock to.

Highly recommended, and it looks far nicer in all black, than the Noctua coolers...IMO, of course.
Yeah the one I’m using right now is the Corsair hydro series h100i pro rgb aio liquid cpu cooler 240mm and I don’t know if I can use the one I have to oc
 

longdi

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You can also be fine with a single tower like thermalright power140 or noctua u14s.

makes it cleaner and easier installation.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Yeah I have dark rock pro4 with 3700x and fixed it fan speeds 120mm to 900 and 140 to 800. It is silent
 

benno

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It's fine with a stock 10900K, the world's fastest gaming CPU. Though you might have to edit some settings in BIOS to make sure your board is actually running it at stock, as some boards come pre-overclocked with MCE at auto settings.

10900X (HEDT) I'm not too sure about.

Sneaky gits. Thanks.

10900X (High End DeskTop) or 10900K (Mainstream)? I think we could recommend you something better than the X unless you have very specific reasons for wanting that platform.

Yeah, I just thought the X was the same as K but with more PCIe lanes and memory. Didn't realise it was a different socket until I looked more in to it.

As for something better, my current 6700k is holding up fine in gaming but starting to show it's age in my music production. If anything I need more cores but need really low latency in audio. There was a bit of a "heads up" warning in the pro-audio world about using earlier AMD Ryzen CPU's with Cubase, they worked fine mostly but some reported poor DPC latency, so I want to be safe.

Current PC is 6700k, 2080Ti, 5x SSD drives and 750w PSU. I'm assuming the PSU will hold up with the new CPU and hopefully with the eventual 3080Ti upgrade when it's released. Also the DDR4 memory is still compatible?
 

PhoenixTank

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Yeah, I just thought the X was the same as K but with more PCIe lanes and memory. Didn't realise it was a different socket until I looked more in to it.
You aren't the first to confuse them and won't be the last! :)
If you're not convinced, go look at the difference in performance between the 10900K & X on the performance graphs. The K stomps in gaming, while the X ties or loses to the Ryzen 3000 parts and in production gets stomped by the cheaper 3900X and platform. You really have to want those lanes to justify it.

Current PC is 6700k, 2080Ti, 5x SSD drives and 750w PSU. I'm assuming the PSU will hold up with the new CPU and hopefully with the eventual 3080Ti upgrade when it's released. Also the DDR4 memory is still compatible?
Wattage is likely fine but depends on the quality of the PSU, I'd say. Brand & rating? How much of the warranty has already played out? They do degrade over time.
DDR4 is still current, yes, but speeds/latency might be poor compared to new kits?

As for something better, my current 6700k is holding up fine in gaming but starting to show it's age in my music production. If anything I need more cores but need really low latency in audio. There was a bit of a "heads up" warning in the pro-audio world about using earlier AMD Ryzen CPU's with Cubase, they worked fine mostly but some reported poor DPC latency, so I want to be safe.
It has been forever since I touched Cubase, in fact I think CPUs were still single core :messenger_tears_of_joy:
The Avisynth community reported something similar with the 2000 & earlier chips but my experience with a 3950X has been great - checked for general latency back when I set up Avisynth again and didn't encounter anything out of the ordinary.
I can't say with any authority how well and how wide audio production scales out to cores, though I get the impression tracks scale out in that respect.

Assuming you're not gaming at 4K, 10900K might well be the best of both worlds since you're on top of the range GPUs (?) and, as you say, a safer bet. I do suspect though that you'd be fine with Ryzen 3000 chips too.

Found some info from general googling, but nothing hyper specific.
Fella using a 3900x for audio prod with buffer tests and the like. Shows performance versus his older 6c/12t 5820k system too.

OP was initially underwhelmed by performance but ends up impressed with a 3600 coming from a 4c/4t 4690k

General info you probably already know but I think the takeaway from this is that the system needs to be looked at as a whole:



Not here to convince you to see the AMD light or anything, just that the 10900X is traaaash and almost anything is a better fit.
 
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benno

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You aren't the first to confuse them and won't be the last! :)
If you're not convinced, go look at the difference in performance between the 10900K & X on the performance graphs. The K stomps in gaming, while the X ties or loses to the Ryzen 3000 parts and in production gets stomped by the cheaper 3900X and platform. You really have to want those lanes to justify it.

Yeah, I think the audio will be the priority over the gaming, the worst thing that can happen in gaming is that I drop a couple of frames, while in audio, buffer under-runs aren't a good thing and will make or break everything.

Wattage is likely fine but depends on the quality of the PSU, I'd say. Brand & rating? How much of the warranty has already played out? They do degrade over time.
DDR4 is still current, yes, but speeds/latency might be poor compared to new kits?

Corsair if I recall, about a year old after my last one blew and took out my old mobo and 2080Ti. I was lead to believe all DDR4 mem stock ran at 2666 but the quality of the chips allowed either overclocking or underclocking the speeds, hence why we get sold different values. Whether that's true or not I haven't a clue.

It has been forever since I touched Cubase, in fact I think CPUs were still single core :messenger_tears_of_joy:

I think it may have changed a little bit. I started on the Atari ST. :)

The Avisynth community reported something similar with the 2000 & earlier chips but my experience with a 3950X has been great - checked for general latency back when I set up Avisynth again and didn't encounter anything out of the ordinary.
I can't say with any authority how well and how wide audio production scales out to cores, though I get the impression tracks scale out in that respect.

Read a bit more into it and I believe it may actually be Cubase which favours Intel.

Also (and it's a bit old)

Assuming you're not gaming at 4K, 10900K might well be the best of both worlds since you're on top of the range GPUs (?) and, as you say, a safer bet. I do suspect though that you'd be fine with Ryzen 3000 chips too.

I am gaming @ 4k, which is why I need the 3080Ti to hurry up and be released. I do hit 60+- FPS on most games though I'm currently only getting 45fps on my heavily modded Dragon's Dogma @4k.

Not here to convince you to see the AMD light or anything, just that the 10900X is traaaash and almost anything is a better fit.

I've had a couple of AMD machines in the past. They didn't do anything wrong. But seeing I'm going to be spending £2-3k on the PC I want to get it right and be safe with it rather than take a chance to save a few quid and be sorry, which I've done before with AMD GPU's. I'll probably be looking at the 10900k then.

Is it worth spending more on motherboards? What difference will a £200 vs £450 have?
 
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Any word on when to expect new GPUs to become available? September?
 

MastAndo

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I hope you guys can give me some quick advice:

I have a i5-3570k a 4GB 980 (non ti) and 16 GB RAM. I game at a 1080p 144hz screen.

What's a good upgrade for around 300 EUR?

Seems like the biggest problem atm is the 4GB GPU? Games I currently play are Division 2, Doom Eternal and Assassins Creed Odyssey. They seem to have decent ~60 fps at medium to high but suffer from stuttering/little freezes that I guess come from loading textures into the GPU RAM. So I guess I should look for a GPU with 6-8GB like the 1660ti or 2060 super?
I had the same CPU and swapped it out for an i7-3770K for the extra threads, since I didn't really see the need for a complete system overhaul. It was a noticeable improvement, particularly in games where 4 threads wouldn't cut it - like Borderlands 3 for example. They can be found for around $100 on ebay, though I'm not sure your budget would allow for that and a decent GPU.

Also, it's worth mentioning that I'm on a 60 Hz TV, so I'm not bottlenecked as much by the CPU particularly when playing at 1440p and 4K - that will be more of an issue with you at a lower res and higher framerates. I still think it's something worth considering though.
 

Anki

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My monitor has arrived. I played some games on 1440p in 144hz and they looked pretty smooth. Later I switched to 60fps just to see how it looks and I couldn't believe that 60fps didn't feel good at all :D
Overall I am very satisfied.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Finally found a mouse that fits my 1-3-1 fingertip style and is so lightweight I cannot feel anything! Razer viper ultimate
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Spukc

always chasing the next thrill
Well i am done searching. Snagged a pc today, It was extremely cheap, I am done with following pc tech shit.

2080ti
i9-9900K
water cooled
Intel Z390
2x 16GB ddr4 2666MHz
2x 512GB SSD raid 0
2TB HDD (who the hell cares)
wirless yada yada

Was waiting for the 3080ti.
But i managed to get this pre build pc (HP OMEN obelisk 875 1995 something) for freaking 1600 euro's

I said fuck waiting join now

only thing i want to add is a samsung evo 970 plus 1t and a 2tb 660p ssd

JareBear: Remastered JareBear: Remastered gl with the wait
 
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Well i am done searching. Snagged a pc today, It was extremely cheap, I am done with following pc tech shit.

2080ti
i9-9900K
water cooled
Intel Z390
2x 16GB ddr4 2666MHz
2x 512GB SSD raid 0
2TB HDD (who the hell cares)
wirless yada yada

Was waiting for the 3080ti.
But i managed to get this pre build pc (HP OMEN obelisk 875 1995 something) for freaking 1600 euro's

I said fuck waiting join now

only thing i want to add is a samsung evo 970 plus 1t and a 2tb 660p ssd

JareBear: Remastered JareBear: Remastered gl with the wait

Nice rig!
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Well i am done searching. Snagged a pc today, It was extremely cheap, I am done with following pc tech shit.

2080ti
i9-9900K
water cooled
Intel Z390
2x 16GB ddr4 2666MHz
2x 512GB SSD raid 0
2TB HDD (who the hell cares)
wirless yada yada

Was waiting for the 3080ti.
But i managed to get this pre build pc (HP OMEN obelisk 875 1995 something) for freaking 1600 euro's

I said fuck waiting join now

only thing i want to add is a samsung evo 970 plus 1t and a 2tb 660p ssd

JareBear: Remastered JareBear: Remastered gl with the wait
great!
I think it would be a good idea to go with nvme drives though. I went with 1tb and 480 corsair mp510 drives but I don't need more space since I keep movies and stuff on usb3 2tb drive
 
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