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What monitor would you guys recommend for me?

Image quality, great color reproduction, no light bleeding and no IPS glow are of utmost importance. I don't care if it's a 60/75Hz monitor. No curved panels. Matte-coated and 2560x1440 panels only.

I have tested LG 27GL850-B 27" and AOC GAMING AG271QG 27" which both were garbage.
 
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Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
Well i am done searching. Snagged a pc today, It was extremely cheap, I am done with following pc tech shit.

2080ti
i9-9900K
water cooled
Intel Z390
2x 16GB ddr4 2666MHz
2x 512GB SSD raid 0
2TB HDD (who the hell cares)
wirless yada yada

Was waiting for the 3080ti.
But i managed to get this pre build pc (HP OMEN obelisk 875 1995 something) for freaking 1600 euro's

I said fuck waiting join now

only thing i want to add is a samsung evo 970 plus 1t and a 2tb 660p ssd

@Lawrence ‘Chunk’ Cohen gl with the wait

Bro i just thought you should know...your dick is out and you are waving it around.
 

Spukc

always chasing the next thrill
Bro i just thought you should know...your dick is out and you are waving it around.
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What monitor would you guys recommend for me?

Image quality, great color reproduction, no light bleeding and no IPS glow are of utmost importance. I don't care if it's a 60/75Hz monitor. No curved panels. Matte-coated and 2560x1440 panels only.

I have tested LG 27GL850-B 27" and AOC GAMING AG271QG 27" which both were garbage.
prolly an ips based dell ultrasharp series. They are solid screens. GL with the ips glow lottery
you win some you lose some, no ips screen is perfect But they can get pretty good.
 
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kiphalfton

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What kind of increase does going from an i7-6700k to i7-8700 (not i7-8700k) afford me? 2 extra cores and 4 extra threads, but besides that? Would have to remove my old mobo and cpu(z170 and i7-6700k), disconnect all the power, etc. and replace it with the b350 and i7-8700. Got the b350 and i7-8700 for cheap, otherwise I would have just waited for 11th gen intel stuff before upgrading.

Also gtx 1060 6gb vs rx 5500 xt 4gb? Which is the better one to sell, and the one to keep?
 
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Ascend

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What kind of increase does going from an i7-6700k to i7-8700 (not i7-8700k) afford me? 2 extra cores and 4 extra threads, but besides that? Would have to remove my old mobo and cpu(z170 and i7-6700k), disconnect all the power, etc. and replace it with the b350 and i7-8700. Got the b350 and i7-8700 for cheap, otherwise I would have just waited for 11th gen intel stuff before upgrading.

Also gtx 1060 6gb vs rx 5500 xt 4gb? Which is the better one to sell, and the one to keep?
Those two graphics cards are not far away from each other... I'd stick with the 1060 since it has more VRAM.
As for that CPU, it's more energy efficient, and the additional cores might smoothen out your gaming. Not much else really.
 

kiphalfton

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For whatever reason there is a shit load of lint and dust in my apartment. Always have to clean the case fans and intake area of my case. My case is an old cooler master HAF case, and I'm thinking the thing just has piss poor filtration.

It's a problem as now my heatsinks is caked in dust. Is removing it and soaking it in water with soap a bad idea? Would only be submerging the fins (probably by place the heat sink upside down), and obviously not while the thing is installed.
 
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longdi

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For whatever reason there is a shit load of lint and dust in my apartment. Always have to clean the case fans and intake area of my case. My case is an old cooler master HAF case, and I'm thinking the thing just has piss poor filtration.

It's a problem as now my heatsinks is caked in dust. Is removing it and soaking it in water with soap a bad idea? Would only be submerging the fins (probably by place the heat sink upside down), and obviously not while the thing is installed.

I soak in water before, didnt find anything bad afterwards.
I used a hairdryer for quicker drying, just dont touch it while blowing and let it cool down :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 

D.Final

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What monitor would you guys recommend for me?

Image quality, great color reproduction, no light bleeding and no IPS glow are of utmost importance. I don't care if it's a 60/75Hz monitor. No curved panels. Matte-coated and 2560x1440 panels only.

I have tested LG 27GL850-B 27" and AOC GAMING AG271QG 27" which both were garbage.

Best resolution possible.
 

Ascend

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For whatever reason there is a shit load of lint and dust in my apartment. Always have to clean the case fans and intake area of my case. My case is an old cooler master HAF case, and I'm thinking the thing just has piss poor filtration.

It's a problem as now my heatsinks is caked in dust. Is removing it and soaking it in water with soap a bad idea? Would only be submerging the fins (probably by place the heat sink upside down), and obviously not while the thing is installed.
Try a compressed air can first.

 

Soodanim

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Finally found a mouse that fits my 1-3-1 fingertip style and is so lightweight I cannot feel anything! Razer viper ultimate
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I didn’t know mice went this complex, but I’m intrigued to know more. I have a Logitech G502 and it feels like I’m always holding it at an angle. I think that’s because I have large hand and it’s the only grip that will get the top and side buttons. I want a wireless mouse, but I want to find one that is the right fit for me.
 

kiphalfton

Member
Try a compressed air can first.


I have one of those DataVac electric dusters, but it hasn't helped. I think I have canned air somewhere though, which I'll try. Maybe just a matter of getting in there closer when I uninstall the heatsink.
 

PhoenixTank

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I have one of those DataVac electric dusters, but it hasn't helped. I think I have canned air somewhere though, which I'll try. Maybe just a matter of getting in there closer when I uninstall the heatsink.
I'd be surprised if canned air does any better then if it is caked on? A stiff brush might do the job. What is your cooler? Easier if we can see it rather than just guess if water will damage it or anything like that.
 

longdi

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Damn son. $110 for 1tb fast pcie ssd with 5 years warranty.

If my PC werent full of nvme already, stealth brag :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 

Ribi

Member
Building my friend a new pc he has a PSU already

Originally i wanted to go with a B450 tomahawk but its out of stock and so the new motherboard i got wasnt compatible with the NZXT case so had to redo that. Theres a note about needing to update the BIOS maybe? In case the chip doesnt work with board? How common is that issue?

 

kiphalfton

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I'd be surprised if canned air does any better then if it is caked on? A stiff brush might do the job. What is your cooler? Easier if we can see it rather than just guess if water will damage it or anything like that.

Cryorig R1 Universal

May try a tooth brush as the dust seems to be thickest near the tip of the fins.

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Well shit. Toothbrush didnt really help and submerging it in about 1/4" of water didn't do anything either.

Probably gonna try one of these...

jMIyyWD.jpg


If that doesnt work, will probably try a Waterpik.
 
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V1LÆM

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Cryorig R1 Universal

May try a tooth brush as the dust seems to be thickest near the tip of the fins.

Edit:
Well shit. Toothbrush didnt really help and submerging it in about 1/4" of water didn't do anything either.

Probably gonna try one of these...

If that doesnt work, will probably try a Waterpik.
i had the Cryorig R1 too. as long as you blow a shit load of compressed air in the heatsink you'll be fine. you'll still see the dusty fan outline but don't worry about it.
 

PhoenixTank

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Building my friend a new pc he has a PSU already

Originally i wanted to go with a B450 tomahawk but its out of stock and so the new motherboard i got wasnt compatible with the NZXT case so had to redo that. Theres a note about needing to update the BIOS maybe? In case the chip doesnt work with board? How common is that issue?

Unsure what you mean about case compatibility. ATX is ATX, mATX is mATX, ITX is ITX, unless there is something exotic going on? EATX excluded.

Just dealt with the B450 CPU support side of things. The boards needs certain minimum BIOS versions to support newer CPUs, but for a 3600 on that ASUS board, you need Version 2301 (or newer) released on 2019/05/15. Has been ~13 months, they should be shipping with that version, but you can ask ASUS support if unsure. As long as you don't get really old stock you should be fine, and that seems very unlikely right now.
You can get a boot kit from AMD if it really hasn't been updated. I don't know how much of a faff it is in practice but you can't start the process until you have all the parts in hand. Alternative is to have an Athlon 200GE on hand yourself, just in case. None of this matters on boards that have BIOS Flashback.

FWIW, don't expect a speedy update to support Ryzen 4000 on ASUS B450 boards, perhaps at all. In case that was the plan.
Alternatives aren't very good though with what looks like all the MSI B450 boards out of stock. Got a Microcenter near you? Not American but I hear legendary tales of such places.

Cryorig R1 Universal

May try a tooth brush as the dust seems to be thickest near the tip of the fins.

Edit:
Well shit. Toothbrush didnt really help and submerging it in about 1/4" of water didn't do anything either.

Probably gonna try one of these...

jMIyyWD.jpg


If that doesnt work, will probably try a Waterpik.
I misread the label on the image at first. That aside, I must admit I was thinking something stronger - a wirey brush that goes with a decent sturdy dustpan. Or a pipe cleaner might do it?
Looks to be aluminium aside from the nickel plated copper base, so clean water should be fine.
 

Ribi

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Unsure what you mean about case compatibility. ATX is ATX, mATX is mATX, ITX is ITX, unless there is something exotic going on? EATX excluded.

Just dealt with the B450 CPU support side of things. The boards needs certain minimum BIOS versions to support newer CPUs, but for a 3600 on that ASUS board, you need Version 2301 (or newer) released on 2019/05/15. Has been ~13 months, they should be shipping with that version, but you can ask ASUS support if unsure. As long as you don't get really old stock you should be fine, and that seems very unlikely right now.
You can get a boot kit from AMD if it really hasn't been updated. I don't know how much of a faff it is in practice but you can't start the process until you have all the parts in hand. Alternative is to have an Athlon 200GE on hand yourself, just in case. None of this matters on boards that have BIOS Flashback.

FWIW, don't expect a speedy update to support Ryzen 4000 on ASUS B450 boards, perhaps at all. In case that was the plan.
Alternatives aren't very good though with what looks like all the MSI B450 boards out of stock. Got a Microcenter near you? Not American but I hear legendary tales of such places.


I misread the label on the image at first. That aside, I must admit I was thinking something stronger - a wirey brush that goes with a decent sturdy dustpan. Or a pipe cleaner might do it?
Looks to be aluminium aside from the nickel plated copper base, so clean water should be fine.
It was having to do with usb 3.0 connections and the original board not having enough connections or something. Also I cant seem to find any board below 115 thats in stock for a ryzen 3600. Dand ASUS and Tomahawk are all either out of stock or increased in price well above 200$
 

kiphalfton

Member
i had the Cryorig R1 too. as long as you blow a shit load of compressed air in the heatsink you'll be fine. you'll still see the dusty fan outline but don't worry about it.

Words of wisdom.

Used vinegar/water mixture and submerged the front of the heat sink in about 1/4 inch of solution. That didn't help get rid of the caked on dust, and ended up leaving a black line where the mixture was submerged up to.

Just gonna throw it back in my pc at this point, after it gets a chance to dry out.
 
I am currently waiting for either Zen 3 or Tiger Lake. Was going to do a Comet Lake build to hold me over but turns out you can't actually buy the chips anywhere in the US. Great work, Intel.

Also, power supplies are just absolutely sold out or unavailable. Really frustrating.
 

kiphalfton

Member
What exactly are the upcoming intel desktop CPUs? It's confusing as hell trying to figure out what's coming up as it shows mobile.
 
What exactly are the upcoming intel desktop CPUs? It's confusing as hell trying to figure out what's coming up as it shows mobile.

Supposedly Tiger Lake is slated for late 2020 or early 2021. Still 14nm but with an improved architecture and IPC. Supposedly.

EDIT: Sorry, not Tiger Lake. Rocket Lake. Tiger Lake is mobile and on 10nm.
 
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Sophist

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Just ordered a GXT 144 Rexx, a vertical gaming mouse from Trust. Always wanted to see if vertical is better or not. Right now i am using a Qpad 5K which has by far the best ergonomics of all mouses i have put my hand on.

prdhigh_22991-i2nzk5r.png
 

Kenpachii

Member
Lol only thing u need to do is keep your wrist and arm straight, exactly as on the first picture. already using a mouse for over 20+ years every day 8 hours at least no issue's. The moment i start to hover my arm cramps after a while.
 

kiphalfton

Member
Just ordered a GXT 144 Rexx, a vertical gaming mouse from Trust. Always wanted to see if vertical is better or not. Right now i am using a Qpad 5K which has by far the best ergonomics of all mouses i have put my hand on.

prdhigh_22991-i2nzk5r.png

I had a Logitech MX vertical mouse for like a week, as I had sprained my wrist and it hurt to slightly bend my wrist, but I hated it. Luckily was able to return it.

Maybe that's a better mouse, and I'm sure you'll get used to it if you use it long enough, but reminded me of holding a cup in my hands and sliding it back and forth.
 

PhoenixTank

Member
It was having to do with usb 3.0 connections and the original board not having enough connections or something. Also I cant seem to find any board below 115 thats in stock for a ryzen 3600. Dand ASUS and Tomahawk are all either out of stock or increased in price well above 200$
Oh. Not having enough USB connectors usually isn't the end of the world - though I suspect it might be USB-C on the front panel that you'd have missed out on. NZXT H510?
Yeah, sellers market right now but that Asus B450-F is probably your best bet until something else comes into stock. I think I saw some mATX B450 parts in stock, if you were fine with some reduced functionality.

Also, power supplies are just absolutely sold out or unavailable. Really frustrating.
Yuuup. Crazy times between the stimulus cheque and shipping capacity overloads - buying my 4th, 5th or 6th choice for a lot of parts over in Europe too.
 
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I have a huge question? can this psu EVGA SuperNOVA 750 B1, 80+ BRONZE 750W, Semi Modular run an rtx 2080ti or do I need to upgrade to a better one
 

kiphalfton

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First time with dual monitor setup (outside work). Pretty neat.

Have an Acer Predator XB271HU(1440p) and XB271H (1080p). Got the 1080p monitor for super cheap. Can definitely tell a difference sharpness wise and color wise, but mainly plan on continuing to game on the 1440p monitor and using the 1080p monitor to surf the web or whatever.
 

Ribi

Member
Oh. Not having enough USB connectors usually isn't the end of the world - though I suspect it might be USB-C on the front panel that you'd have missed out on. NZXT H510?
Yeah, sellers market right now but that Asus B450-F is probably your best bet until something else comes into stock. I think I saw some mATX B450 parts in stock, if you were fine with some reduced functionality.
so whats the reduced functionality when it comes to a microboard and a normal atx? Also which would you recommend to pair with a 3600?

currently looking at:

or


or


or really anything under 100

paired in a cheap case:

PCpartpicker seems to be alright with clearance know anything about it?
 
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PhoenixTank

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so whats the reduced functionality when it comes to a microboard and a normal atx? Also which would you recommend to pair with a 3600?
Usually mATX means you'll end up with less SATA ports, PCIE slots, m.2 slots, less fan headers, and potentially worse power circuitry including VRMs, just because there is less space to work with.

Recommend would be a very strong word for any of those boards you listed :messenger_sad_relieved:
And everything else that is better and still under $100 is out of stock it seems.

I'll let buildzoid summarise:


40m28s if the timestamp is broken.

Can you hold out for a better stock situation/save up a little more? If the 3300x comes back in stock at a sane price, swapping out the 3600 for that 3300x would give you more money to play with and mostly similar gaming performance, but then you'd need a very recent BIOS on your motherboard. A cheap B550 could end up the way to go in that situation but also allow for a nice Zen 3 upgrade later on.
Otherwise, roll your sleeves up and start watching like a hawk for the good parts to come back in stock :messenger_frowning_
 
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Kenpachii

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First time with dual monitor setup (outside work). Pretty neat.

Have an Acer Predator XB271HU(1440p) and XB271H (1080p). Got the 1080p monitor for super cheap. Can definitely tell a difference sharpness wise and color wise, but mainly plan on continuing to game on the 1440p monitor and using the 1080p monitor to surf the web or whatever.

Once you go multiple screens u can never go back its godly. doing two things at the same time or even more. 1 screen setups are criminal.
 

n64coder

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Any recommendations on a graphics card that support 2 4K displays? I'm replacing my 8 year old desktop with a new build. Probably going to go to AMD Ryzen. I use this for software development and playing Youtube videos. No gaming. What kind of refresh rate should I be looking for? 60Hz minimum?
 

DGrayson

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Any recommendations on a graphics card that support 2 4K displays? I'm replacing my 8 year old desktop with a new build. Probably going to go to AMD Ryzen. I use this for software development and playing Youtube videos. No gaming. What kind of refresh rate should I be looking for? 60Hz minimum?




Rtx 2060?
 

PhoenixTank

Member
Rtx 2060?
Quite likely overkill with no gaming involved.
Any recommendations on a graphics card that support 2 4K displays? I'm replacing my 8 year old desktop with a new build. Probably going to go to AMD Ryzen. I use this for software development and playing Youtube videos. No gaming. What kind of refresh rate should I be looking for? 60Hz minimum?
With no gaming, and presumably no 3D work, I think on the Nvidia side a 1650 with a couple of displayport outputs would do the job, if not something cheaper.
GT 1030 theoretically supports it, but seems to be trash. VRAM capacity/speed might be the issue. 1050 could be the sweet spot with the appropriate outputs, if a bit low on vram though they're probably not still on sale at sane prices.
Favour DisplayPort over HDMI wherever possible but If you're stuck with HDMI on your monitors make sure they're HDMI2.

On the AMD GPU side, should get away with a 4GB RX 560 or better. Would have to mix & match DP/HDMI unless stepping up to 570.
I also have to wonder if a 4000 series APU would handle it when they release (with an appropriate motherboard). Irrelevant if you have your heart set on a 12/16 core for development.
 

Celcius

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I had the itch to upgrade and I finally saw a 10700k in stock. I only play games so I don't think I'll miss the 2 extra cores of the 10900k, plus it will run cooler.

Before: 7700k + maximus ix hero
After: 10700k + maximus xii hero

Looking forward to playing with new hardware :)
 
Im a PC noob and the last PC i bought was a prebuilt in 2012 with a GTX 680 in it

is it worth it now to buy a prebuilt with a RTX 2080 or should i wait for the 3000 series (which is what I'm hearing alot of PC nerds suggest)

and no I'm not interesting in building my own, and yes i know its cheaper and as easy as legos, but I'm stupid and would rather someone else do it for me

same reason why I order pizza instead of making it myself
 

V1LÆM

Gold Member
Im a PC noob and the last PC i bought was a prebuilt in 2012 with a GTX 680 in it

is it worth it now to buy a prebuilt with a RTX 2080 or should i wait for the 3000 series (which is what I'm hearing alot of PC nerds suggest)

and no I'm not interesting in building my own, and yes i know its cheaper and as easy as legos, but I'm stupid and would rather someone else do it for me

same reason why I order pizza instead of making it myself
If you can hold off for the 3000 cards and are happy to spend more money then wait.

You will probably need to wait a while after the cards launch before you see them appear in prebuilt systems. Not only will these cards be more expensive but buying them part of a prebuilt will make it even more expensive.

That said...nothing wrong with current cards unless you want the best RTX performance.

I had the itch to upgrade and I finally saw a 10700k in stock. I only play games so I don't think I'll miss the 2 extra cores of the 10900k, plus it will run cooler.

Before: 7700k + maximus ix hero
After: 10700k + maximus xii hero

Looking forward to playing with new hardware :)
8 cores is more than enough for games. Intel only stuffed another 2 cores in to try save face against AMD who have released a 16 core CPU. The extra 2 cores do nothing for games and in some situations the 9900K (8 core) performs better.

You could probably have got away with a 6 core CPU. The main thing for games is how fast the CPU is not how many cores it has. Maybe in a few years we'll see more cores being used so having 8 is ideal.

4 cores - absolute minimum. only recommend if you play casually and have a small budget.
6 cores - the sweet spot. Best option for most people
8 cores - a bit overkill but more future proofed.
8+ cores - useless for gaming and only really for people who use their PC for heavy work loads.
 
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If you can hold off for the 3000 cards and are happy to spend more money then wait.

You will probably need to wait a while after the cards launch before you see them appear in prebuilt systems. Not only will these cards be more expensive but buying them part of a prebuilt will make it even more expensive.

That said...nothing wrong with current cards unless you want the best RTX performance.

yea, i'm not really that interested in RTX performance (which ultimately just result in realistic/detailed puddles/ real time lighting right?

correct me if I'm wrong, which i probably am

i just want a decent enough PC to play the new Half Life, a PC that will be able to keep up with the upcoming consoles and one that will maybe last me another 6 or so years (before i inevitably buy another prebuilt)
 
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watershoppe

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How does this build look?

I will be on using it with a Asus ROG Strix XG279Q monitor for 1440p gaming (mostly AAA games like Cyberpunk and RDR2 and various FPS games, but nothing competitive).

Not going to use it for streaming or video editing, and I will not overclocking. I will have a dual monitor setup, though.

My current build has lasted 5 years, so a similar time frame for this one would be preferable. I am not planning on upgrading hardware along the way, so future proofing isn't a priority.

Thanks for your time.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor ($294.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler ($35.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z490M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card ($499.99 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Best Buy)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1324.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-05 08:08 EDT-0400
 
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