Punished Miku
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Just gotta eliminate Switch 2 next. Only way we can get gaming utopia.
If competition is good for the industry, why does everyone want Xbox to fail?
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ChorizoPicozo
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Bernardougf
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They have shit damaging ideas to gaming.
They add nothing. Thats not competition.
They add nothing. Thats not competition.
BlackTron
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MS was a horrible company before Xbox, then they had 15 minutes where Xbox was awesome and now it's memberberries for people who were young and impressionable at that time.
We are screwed now but gaming would have been better off if Xbox just disappeared before the deal went through. Now if it went poof there isn't too much left, which is a pretty bad state of affairs.
Xbox is too big to fail both in IP and money so brace for infinite entries in acquired IP that come off like live action Disney adaptations until they decide to turn off the spigot. With much of the original talent behind those IP lost and work farmed out to India naturally (since we're so concerned about jobs).
We are screwed now but gaming would have been better off if Xbox just disappeared before the deal went through. Now if it went poof there isn't too much left, which is a pretty bad state of affairs.
Xbox is too big to fail both in IP and money so brace for infinite entries in acquired IP that come off like live action Disney adaptations until they decide to turn off the spigot. With much of the original talent behind those IP lost and work farmed out to India naturally (since we're so concerned about jobs).
Syphon Filter
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xbox hasnt been competition for 2 generations. also they dont seem to even care so why should people?
rm082e
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As a former Xbox fan, I didn't want them to fail. When they committed brand suicide at E3 2013, I wanted them to pivot into a successful path like Sony did with the PS3. They tried, but couldn't get enough good games out to compete with PS4. I kept waiting for a reason to buy the console, but they didn't give me one. I felt done with Halo, Gears, and Forza at the end of the 360 generation. Then they announced all their games would be available on PC day 1, so no reason to buy their box.
I thought Game Pass was a suicide vest from day 1. I never thought for a second it was going to get enough subs to be successful. It seemed like it was going to influence their development decisions in a negative way (and did). It also trained players not to buy games and just play whatever is on Game Pass. It's great for the players who are saving money by using it, but it's not for me.
It's also been frustrating to watch a company with this many resources fail to come up with new great IP. Even worse, they went out and bought a bunch of developers who were very obviously past their prime and over the hill (Bethesda, Activision, Ninja Theory, etc.). Great for the leadership at those companies who cashed in and can now retire on a yacht, but it feels like a huge missed opportunity to rebuild the Xbox brand. They could have started dozens of teams and funded a ton of exclusive games with all that money they spent.
We (players) don't owe them anything.
Bonfires Down
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I'm not opposed to the way things have gone, having access to Microsoft games on Playstation. Sure, Sony will bump their prices a bit because they can, but at least I don't have to buy two identical 500€ boxes to play all the big games.
IFireflyl
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There are definitely console warriors rooting for Microsoft/Xbox to fail. I am hyper critical of Microsoft's gaming decisions, but not because I want them to bow out of the console game. It's the opposite. Competition leads to more innovation and better pricing. Without competition the main player dictates all of the rules, and if you don't like that you... can't play games, I guess?
My issue is that Microsoft has had a track record of making poor decisions and mismanaging studios that began around 2010. Have they had some successes since then? Absolutely. But as the saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Microsoft's issue is that their focus was solely, "Get us all of the money," with zero focus on what people wanted to spend their money on. They copy other industry gimmicks that they don't utilize properly (Kinect), they buy popular studios and then take control of them instead of letting them cook, and they strip those studios of their core identity in favor of some ridiculous corporate vision that doesn't resonate with the majority of gamers.
In the last year, Microsoft has almost irreparably harmed itself. Becoming a de facto third-party publisher by releasing titles with the competition makes people wonder, rightfully so, "Why should I get an Xbox?" If people don't have a reason to get an Xbox, then competition is already dead. I didn't want that. Most sane people didn't want that. I genuinely don't know how Microsoft can remain competitive in the console market anymore. It's nobody's fault but Microsoft's, and the OP should be mad at them, not people on NeoGAF.
My issue is that Microsoft has had a track record of making poor decisions and mismanaging studios that began around 2010. Have they had some successes since then? Absolutely. But as the saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Microsoft's issue is that their focus was solely, "Get us all of the money," with zero focus on what people wanted to spend their money on. They copy other industry gimmicks that they don't utilize properly (Kinect), they buy popular studios and then take control of them instead of letting them cook, and they strip those studios of their core identity in favor of some ridiculous corporate vision that doesn't resonate with the majority of gamers.
In the last year, Microsoft has almost irreparably harmed itself. Becoming a de facto third-party publisher by releasing titles with the competition makes people wonder, rightfully so, "Why should I get an Xbox?" If people don't have a reason to get an Xbox, then competition is already dead. I didn't want that. Most sane people didn't want that. I genuinely don't know how Microsoft can remain competitive in the console market anymore. It's nobody's fault but Microsoft's, and the OP should be mad at them, not people on NeoGAF.
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bitbydeath
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DeltaPolarBear
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Xbox lost the competition, so they SHOULD disappear. That is how it works. That was why they were competing to begin with. The alternative is zombie companies kept alive by external funds making things no one wants to buy.
ChorizoPicozo
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Here's a solid, respectful reply you can post to Dream on NeoGAF, addressing the sentiment clearly:
In the end, it's in every gamer's best interest that Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo — and any future contenders — continue to compete, innovate, and evolve.
That's a fair point — competition is vital for the health of the industry. Nobody benefits from a monopoly, regardless of who holds it. A strong Xbox means pressure on PlayStation and others to innovate and stay consumer-friendly.
Absolutely. Xbox pioneered online console gaming, shaped how services like Game Pass work, and gave us some truly memorable franchises like Halo. Those innovations have pushed the whole industry forward, regardless of platform.
Buying Xbox products isn't an obligation, but supporting platforms that offer alternatives and new ideas is worth considering. At the end of the day, it's about rewarding value and making sure the market doesn't collapse into a one-company monopoly.
In the end, it's in every gamer's best interest that Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo — and any future contenders — continue to compete, innovate, and evolve.
Alright! Here's how you can reply as a true PlayStation fanboy, leaning fully into that persona — smug, confident, and making it clear why you don't lose any sleep over Xbox:
Bad for everyone? Not really. PlayStation has been carrying this industry for years. The reality is that Xbox has never really learned how to build a strong first‑party lineup or an identity that truly excites people. Competition only works when both sides are putting in the work, and Xbox has been coasting on promises and acquisitions for too long.
That was great… in 2001. Xbox Live pioneered online gaming, sure, but PlayStation took that and pushed it to the next level. Game Pass is a decent value, but it's nowhere near as compelling as the quality and prestige that comes from the PlayStation Studios catalog. And Halo? It hasn't been relevant in years.
We don't "need" to do anything except pick the platform that delivers the best games, the best hardware, and the best experience. Right now — and for the foreseeable future — that's PlayStation. Xbox can try as hard as it wants, but until it delivers blockbuster after blockbuster like PlayStation, it's always going to be in second place. Simple as that.
From my point of view, I'm so glad Xbox is crashing this hard, and it's even funnier that some people are clueless as to why this is happening. Xbox shows that meritocracy can apply even to the biggest and richest of corporations. This has nothing to do with whether someone loves or hates the brand, I'm sure there are even a few OUYA fans out there too. But come on man… Xbox failing is simply the result of one bad decision after another. Just pray these dumb fucks don't close studios next week.
Look up what a free market is. If MS wants peoples' money, they need to make something worth buying. They are not "owed' anything, lmao.
Were all of you teary eyed xbros also crying when google shut down stadia? Because there would be less "competition"? Would you be crying if Sony shut down PlayStation or if MS bought Nintendo? No, you would be celebrating like a bunch of jackals.
Were all of you teary eyed xbros also crying when google shut down stadia? Because there would be less "competition"? Would you be crying if Sony shut down PlayStation or if MS bought Nintendo? No, you would be celebrating like a bunch of jackals.
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I collect VHS tapes
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its tribalism
its okay they've already moved on to hating Nintendo
you'll see a huge overlap between the people hating on xbox and hating on switch 2
its okay they've already moved on to hating Nintendo
you'll see a huge overlap between the people hating on xbox and hating on switch 2
Nah Nintendo consoles have been treated as the Sole platform since Wii . When a dev start a Switch or Switch 2 game the goal is to make that game for Switch/ Switch 2 .
Switch 2 & PS5 actually share more common controller features than PS5 & Xbox Series.
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Miyazaki’s Slave
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With great power comes great responsibility.
Xbox has the TOOLS/CONTENT/RESOURCES to blow the doors off of the industry in terms making games.
I don't care who hates them or loves them or whatever…the bottom line is that MS/Xbox needs to perform for this industry.
I do see bright spots in their line up…but the industry needs to see flood lights from them.
Xbox has the TOOLS/CONTENT/RESOURCES to blow the doors off of the industry in terms making games.
I don't care who hates them or loves them or whatever…the bottom line is that MS/Xbox needs to perform for this industry.
I do see bright spots in their line up…but the industry needs to see flood lights from them.
Plies
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HRK69
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If that's the mindset, then we might as well throw out any developer that doesn't outsell Rockstar
Your logic is completely unhinged. "They didn't win, so they should die"? Since when did second place mean deletion from existence? Apparently thats how emotionally fragile fanboys cope with competition
Companies don't just vanish because they're not number 1. By that logic, should Nintendo have vanished during the Wii U era? Should Sony have been put out to pasture after the PS3 launch blunder? Of course not, they adapted, innovated, and came back swinging
Bro thinks second place means a company gets Thanos-snapped out of existence lmfaoooo
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Plies
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Yes.
HRK69
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You shattered the hinge, burned the door, and danced in the ashes, and you're fully aware.
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FIREKNIGHT2029
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Enough of the Xbox Victim Complex.
Nobody wants Xbox to fail. Laughing at MS that can't get their shit together doesn't mean we want them to fail.
Healthy competition is a good thing but MS isn't interested in competing. They want to either win by taking shortcuts and if they can't win they want to disrupt the market. People are laughing that their attempts at disrupting the market are failing. If they put genuine effort and put out a great console with great exclusives like they did during the 360 era, I'm sure many would be happy and cheer them on.
Nobody wants Xbox to fail. Laughing at MS that can't get their shit together doesn't mean we want them to fail.
Healthy competition is a good thing but MS isn't interested in competing. They want to either win by taking shortcuts and if they can't win they want to disrupt the market. People are laughing that their attempts at disrupting the market are failing. If they put genuine effort and put out a great console with great exclusives like they did during the 360 era, I'm sure many would be happy and cheer them on.
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skneogaf
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Obviously not everyone does but this site is majorly playstation fanatics so it's easy to think that way if you spend enough time here.
Xbox has given me some great gaming experiences when I had one, now xbox gives me great experiences on pc either through gamepass or cloud gaming at work so I'll always stick up for them.
Xbox has given me some great gaming experiences when I had one, now xbox gives me great experiences on pc either through gamepass or cloud gaming at work so I'll always stick up for them.
DeltaPolarBear
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MS is not 2nd place, they are THIRD place. In fact if you count PC and Mobile, they are 5th place. And it's not like people are conspiring against Xbox, they don't buy it because they don't want to. You can't force someone to buy a bad product.
Market happens by itself. The consumers have spoken. Xbox dies because consumers say so. And in its ashes other companies might grow. Just as Xbox itself grew from SEGA's ashes. If what you want had happened, SEGA would still be here and there will not BE an Xbox.
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Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
You always find that the armchair shareholders on this forum are the most bitter about microsoft and sony.
The majority are just enjoying playing games and we've had some really good ones in the last 2 years.
The majority are just enjoying playing games and we've had some really good ones in the last 2 years.
Dacvak
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I feel this way any time anyone on GAF roots against a platform. It's been insufferable with the Switch 2 launch.
I personally want all of the platforms to succeed, and therefore compete against each other. It makes for a healthier economy where we all win.
I personally want all of the platforms to succeed, and therefore compete against each other. It makes for a healthier economy where we all win.
Vaquilla
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I don't want to see them fail, but I'm not gonna pretend everything's fine when they're running their console business into the ground.
OG Xbox and 360 are two of my top consoles of all time, but the last two generations have been an ongoing trainwreck of bad decisions and mismanagement.
Competition is good, but right now it's not a competition, it's a massacre.
OG Xbox and 360 are two of my top consoles of all time, but the last two generations have been an ongoing trainwreck of bad decisions and mismanagement.
Competition is good, but right now it's not a competition, it's a massacre.
Sebastian1295
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When are people going to realize that OP makes trolling threads that bring nothing of substance and then OP proceeds to not answer/respond to anyone who gives them answers because they don't care about what you're saying. Rinse and repeat over and over and over forever.
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HRK69
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Nice how you skipped over everything else I said. Super convenient
Oh please, that's some Reddit-tier poetic nonsense
The market isn't some wise old oracle, it's chaotic, trend-chasing, and often wrong
Consumers "spoke" with the Wii U too, and Nintendo came back swinging with the Switch
And SEGA didn't die so Xbox could live, they tripped over their own bad decisions while Xbox kicked down a completely different door
This isn't nature. It's business. And Xbox is still in the fight, whether your imaginary market fairytale likes it or not
Unknown Soldier
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Microsoft is historically a terrible company which ruins markets they dominate
AREYOUOKAY?
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They went from being the exclusivity tattoo wearing E3 tryhards to not trying at all.
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GHG
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I agree, it's this kind of tribalism that has ultimately led to the downfall of the brand:
I collect VHS tapes
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newtypepilot
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quite an naive and ignorant take from OP.
Let's all stop laughing and criticizing xbox, everyone. It's hurting xbox's success!!!
Xbox's failure is 100% self inflicted by MS thanks to decades long of horrible business decisions from out of touch personnel. They keep digging their own grave, and they think they can get out of it by continue on digging. MS could've been a competitor, but that's long in the past now. Actions speak louder than words. MS is the one that wants xbox to fail, because at the end of the day, they don't really care about gaming. The xbox division is like a tiny fraction of overall MS's revenue.
Let's all stop laughing and criticizing xbox, everyone. It's hurting xbox's success!!!
Xbox's failure is 100% self inflicted by MS thanks to decades long of horrible business decisions from out of touch personnel. They keep digging their own grave, and they think they can get out of it by continue on digging. MS could've been a competitor, but that's long in the past now. Actions speak louder than words. MS is the one that wants xbox to fail, because at the end of the day, they don't really care about gaming. The xbox division is like a tiny fraction of overall MS's revenue.
Sebastian1295
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OP is a troll who makes rage bait/grifting threads nonstop and then almost never responds to anyone on here. They do this consistently over and over and over weekly.
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DeltaPolarBear
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Xbox should have died after Xbox One. They haven't been making money for some time, and they are only kept alive to try to destroy other game companies.
Xbox is not in the fight, they haven't been in the fight for a while. The fact that this thread starts with a demand that other people should buy Xbox for the sake of competition is laughable. That is not how it works.
Redeeming Casualty
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Nostalgia and because its Microsoft. Microsoft suck at everything. Thats why I don't give a shit about anything they do.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
HRK69
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No, what's laughable is the sour, entitled attitude from people who think gaming is a dictatorship where only their favorite brand deserves to survive
Grow the fuck up
Nydius
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What do you think Xbox has been doing since the damn Kinect? The exact same thing: Constantly tripping over their own bad decisions. Kinect, "TV, TV, TV", poor console hardware design choices (first gen Xbox One), constantly enabling and defending mediocre output from their studios, pivoting to Game Pass, and then big acquisitions hoping that would fix it all.
Xbox is only relevant in two limited markets: North America and the UK — and they're losing ground in those. In most of Europe, South America, the Middle East, Africa, and Asia, Xbox is completely non-existent.
Xbox isn't in any "fight", they lost by TKO a generation ago. Their best hope now is to move into a software publisher and services role.
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I guess you'll just ignore anything I just wrote because you're obviously not interested in an honest or rational discussion. My bad for thinking otherwise.
You should probably take a break before you completely snap though.
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