If competition is good for the industry, why does everyone want Xbox to fail?

I honestly think the XBox community are the primary reason Microsoft cannot compete and while it's Microsoft's fault as well, I blame the community more. They do not buy or support games and this has been going on well before Gamepass. Can't blame Gamepass for FF16's failure. Microsoft made some good decisions as well, yet it seems like the community just doesn't care.

Then again, Microsoft for years didn't have the most desirable exclusives, didn't do enough to set it apart from PlayStation and made other peculiar decisions as well and the Blizzard/Activision deal was probably the worst move in video game history which essentially destroyed the XBOX brand which lead to multiplatform games, layoffs, price increases, etc.

Lastly, brand loyalty I'm guessing. A lot of gamers do seem to want Sony to dominate because of familiarity, history, reputation and loyalty I suppose, but give PlayStation gamers some credit. If it wasn't for PlayStation, third party developers would most likely be SCREWED and would not make near as much money without Sony.
 
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It's just like team sports. They are on the blue or red side and want to see green get crushed. Simple, really. Like the simple smooth brain of a fanboy.
 
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Simply put, they don't know what's good for them. Even if you don't play on another console or platform, there's nothing wrong with wanting them to do well. It works out better for everyone if all companies are succeeding because then they have to compete with each other to get our money. This typically means more competitive pricing and offers etc.

Console warring is just retarded and something I'd expect to see in a school, not an enthusiast forum.
 
Fair competition is good for makret
Thowing billions of dollars coming from server, cloud and OS business on Gamepass and acquisitions just to kill competitors is not fair competition.
 
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- Overpriced consoles with weak performance

- Buying Bethesda with the intent to take the games away from rivals

- Buying Activision with the intent to take the games away from rivals

- Killing physical media

- Devaluing games with Gamepass

- Not producing a great AAA game since Gears of War 3

I loved the 360 and it was my main through most of that generation, but since then I've given up on them returning to that greatness. Now I'm just sitting laughing at them crash and burn.
 
I don't want them to fail, I want them to stop being shit. I loved their efforts up and until the Xbox 360, but after that they have barely made one single good decision. If they can't do better, they deserve to fail.
 
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The problem with this graph is that 70 percent of that playstation pie chart is everyday people just wanting to play games and enjoy them.

Then 10% of that graph are the people we have on here. The extreme sony fans that have shut down any positive conversation around xbox. As soon as you say something positive there's a pile on from the usual suspects.

The numbers are dwindling. It seems every week another is permed so maybe we will see some balance return.
 
I think their attempt of trying to kill most of the industry by trying to replace the most common business model in consoles and PC of paying for games for a Netflix-like where a gamesub (or a few of them) was a cancer to exterminate. Same goes with them wanting to buy everybody.

Same goes with signing exclusivities of IPs that were more popular in other platforms.

I think it's also an awful idea to use Windows for consoles instead of a more optimized OS.

And well, I don't like companies who work for the military and sign deals with multiple intelligence agencies to spy their customers. And with execs who have private Sting concerts the day they fire thousands of people.

I think gaming will be better not having them as platform holder. Competition is good, but when the competitors have good faith, compete in a fair way and add positive things to the medium. Not the case of MS at all.

I think consoles will be more than fine with Sony and Nintendo only. Who knows, maybe a new 3rd major console maker appear, but let's hope isn't another radioactive one.

P.S.: I think both for their gaming business and for the industry it will be very positive to kill the Xbox consoles and transition to become a 100% multiplatform publisher with Windows as their home platform. Specially if they stop including big games day one in non GPU tiers.
 
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Nintendo having basically no direct competition is already bad enough.
PS5 was already kinda bad, only a PS4 Pro 2.0, actual next gen games barely manifested - Returnal or Crack in Time 2 did not really push anything-, Sony wasted a lot of dev time and money playing around with stuff no one expected from them. PS6 drops that initiative hopefully, only greenlights gaas stuff that already works in a prepre alpha stage and gets back to more variety beside over the shoulder third person games. But without MS forcing them, they practically can do whatever they want, like Nintendo. meh outlook
 
DR3AM said:
MS's Xbox is an American company and we need to keep jobs here in the US. For some reason everyone here wants MS to fail and make PS the only player in the console market. This would be extremely bad for everyone.

Also, Xbox gave us Xbox Live, GamePass and Halo. Without those, who knows where we would be.

Competition for a good and we need to buy Xbox products.
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If there is no competition, people have the assurance that they made the right choice. They can feel validated and rest easy. Accepting that you made a mistake, and that making mistakes is normal, is not something many people can integrate into a healthy selfimage. Choice validation, when paired with low self esteem, can be a powerful force.
 
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Wasn't until long after I posted and literally slept on it that I realized I had seen that Jigglypuff before and fallen for its song again.
 
No one really wants them to fail. It's just they that self fail all the time it's hard not to laugh.

Everything they have done since 2013 has been throwing pieces of shit at a wall hoping something will stick and it hasn't.

But let's break apart ops post

They gave us Xbox live, gamepass and halo lol
1) Xbox live may have standardised online on consoles but Dreamcast and PS2 had network features and online that was free before Xbox game along and of course pc.
So great they made paying for something that was free else where become standard, bravo.

2)gamepass their attempt to change and destroy the industry. All they did was destroy their own brand and condition Xbox players not to buy games, even 3rd games that don't release on gamepass, bravo. Also it's gone expensive and just isn't that great.

3)halo what exactly did it Revolutionise? Limiting guns to 2 on console lol? Half life 1 did everything halo did and better and that came before it.
 
People want competition, they tell Microsoft « do better » and Microsoft (or at least, the Phil S/Matt Booty/Sarah Bond gang) is like « nah, let's take shortcuts instead ».

« Make your console appealing »
« No, let's release everything on PC day one and you don't have to pay games, just give us 1$ we can refund you anyway »
« Release more games »
« Nah, take this controller instead »
« Release better games »
« Nah, let's buy 3rd party devs instead»
« Be honest »
« Nah, it's only 4 games »

You have lateral thinking, and you have let's throw everything at the wall to see what sticks
 
I don't want Xbox to fail, but they are certainly not giving me (yes, me personally) a reason to get one either.
Their games immediately come out to PC, so why would I ever buy an Xbox?

I replay a lot of my games so I don't care for gamepass where games leave from time to time. I can't be bothered investing time in games that could just disappear. And if their only way to get us to gamepass is charging €70 - €80 I might as well just wait till the prices are back to normal. To give you an example: that's exactly what I'm doing with Doom the Dark Ages and Avowed.
 
I think its cuz.. instead of getting alot of goodwill from pleasing gamers and establishing an identity, MS just decided to just flex their money and buy up studios instead and kept on chasing short term fads (remember Kinect?). And they aren't even handling that buyout in a good way. 360 era gave them the opportunity to establish themselves, but they ruined it more and more. They are losing their identity by going for the "anything is an Xbox" thing and now, they're just trying to siphon off Steam's success because IMO they're thinking all they have going for them is Windows.

TL;DR - Xbox didn't understand the assignment.
 
It's probably how they conduct themselves in that role. Also that they don't seem to be very good at being 'the competition', but still occupy the position enough to prevent anyone else doing it. Maybe someone else could do it better, but we won't find out because Microsoft will neither shit or get off the pot.

I think if they had succeeded in their intent to use their financial dominance to convert the industry ('our' part of it) to a subscription model under their control, it would have been a disaster for gaming. Gamepass in the 'take over the market' phase is not representative of how Gamepass would be in the 'taken over the market' phase.
 
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Keep living in your dream world .

If PlayStation was the only option devs could actually take advantage of the features & wouldn't be stuck in the year 2000 gameplay wise.
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So fucking true.

Imagine the difference in the new Last Of Us remake if Playstation was the only option, or how much better the Days Gone remaster would be. Such a waste

/s

Sony Is stuck regardless of competition, their output is awful and that won't change until the people running the show change, regardless of competition
 
calico said:
It's probably how they conduct themselves in that role. Also that they don't seem to be very good at being 'the competition', but still occupy the position enough to prevent anyone else doing it. Maybe someone else could do it better, but we won't find out because Microsoft will neither shit or get off the pot.

I think if they had succeeded in their intent to use their financial dominance to convert the industry ('our' part of it) to a subscription model under their control, it would have been a disaster for gaming. Gamepass in the 'take over the market' phase is not representative of how Gamepass would be in the 'taken over the market' phase.
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I think there is scope for someone like Apple to step in now.

MS are taking a pretty severe step back, starting last year and now reducing focus in key markets like central Europe.

Give it a few more years and someone can step in I think.
 
Rhazer Fusion said:
I honestly think the XBox community are the primary reason Microsoft cannot compete and while it's Microsoft's fault as well, I blame the community more. They do not buy or support games and this has been going on well before Gamepass. Can't blame Gamepass for FF16's failure. Microsoft made some good decisions as well, yet it seems like the community just doesn't care.

Then again, Microsoft for years didn't have the most desirable exclusives, didn't do enough to set it apart from PlayStation and made other peculiar decisions as well and the Blizzard/Activision deal was probably the worst move in video game history which essentially destroyed the XBOX brand which lead to multiplatform games, layoffs, price increases, etc.

Lastly, brand loyalty I'm guessing. A lot of gamers do seem to want Sony to dominate because of familiarity, history, reputation and loyalty I suppose, but give PlayStation gamers some credit. If it wasn't for PlayStation, third party developers would most likely be SCREWED and would not make near as much money without Sony.
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MS want me to buy GamePass, I get alot of content on it with everything day 1.

How the fuck is it my fault I don't buy games? MS give me all the games I need.

CoD? Comes with my sub, FIFA even comes if you wait a few months.

They are the only games most gamers buy in the UK!
 
Realisticly Xbox does not offer anything different than what Sony already provide with the PS5, both even use the same APU vendor so from a technology perspective they are both the same. At one point Microsoft actually had technology made Xbox stand out (Kinect, TV Integration, Party Chat and multitasking) which they abandoned which left the platform without an USP. And of course, first party titles are everything to entice players to your platform. Personally I liked the approach where Microsoft both supported Windows and Xbox simultaneously, but being consumer friendly does not mean you will win. There was a reason Microsoft kept some of their games console exclusive during the 360 era.
 
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a. I am not an American, not everyone is.
b. Aside from the small forum bubble, I have not heard anyone actively wanting Xbox to fail. Please go out more.
c. Without the Xbox, entertainment would still be fine. In fact, the Xbox brand is not a thing in the grand scheme of things.
d. No, we don't need to buy anything, they need to show me their product is worth purchasing. Competition exist with or without whichever brand you support.
 
Politics, the purple site talks about politics if you want to know.

History of acquisitions. Historically, acquisitions happen mostly to prevent the natural causes that let great contents to happen for whatever reason, games like Schedule I would happen easily a 100 times in the 90s & 00s.

As a former Xbox OG hater, I hated it cause it's more expensive than ps2, the duke controller, 90% for unknown reasons to be fair "I hate stuff cause I didn't know anything about it, kids logic", but that haven't stopped my curiosity from seeing it's mysterious and complex look and what it is capable of running.

Not a %100 sure about this reason but I see it's significance. Having decades of background from Sega, PlayStation, Nintendo, Atari makes me look at Xbox as a threat to other consoles for the wrong reasons.
 
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The problem with this graph is that 70 percent of that playstation pie chart is everyday people just wanting to play games and enjoy them.

Then 10% of that graph are the people we have on here. The extreme sony fans that have shut down any positive conversation around xbox. As soon as you say something positive there's a pile on from the usual suspects.

The numbers are dwindling. It seems every week another is permed so maybe we will see some balance return.
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Well, I was just trying to say that it's natural for NeoGaf's user composition to roughly reflect PS's and Xbox's market share.

i think there was like a big drama (PS centric fans getting banned) when PS started to put their game on PC and then, after Xbox's business update also a lot Xbox people just left/went into hiding mode.

Regarding the "positive conversation around Xbox"… that's kind of hard to frame because I don't know what that would look like without someone coming across as completely out of touch with reality. I think people can have positive sentiments around a brand or game, but usually the issue arises when those sentiments are used to create and frame a distorted, misleading , disingenuous/ignorant position and reality...like this very thread.
 
My personal take? The way Xbox and Microsoft are managed, they are not good competition. If they were any other company, and didn't have all the money in the world, they would've been forced out of the industry a long time ago with their countless failures and fuck ups. Even Sony, I think if they had gone through the last 15 years that Xbox has...we might not be seeing PlayStation anymore.

I've rooted for them at times when they've done pro-consumer stuff like the good backward compatibility...but then they just stop doing that stuff. They claimed they couldn't do anymore BC Xbox games because of licensing, when there were plenty of Microsoft owned games they could have done, but didn't.

They are so heavily focused on game pass, and digital only that they are not appealing to me. Them releasing their games on other platforms also really sucks for people that support Xbox hardware. I don't give a fuck what anyone says, but exclusives are good things. You want people to feel they have a reason to own your hardware. When you own a PS5, and an Xbox, and the same game comes out on both platforms, you begin to question "Why did I buy this Xbox?"

Coming back to this idea of mismanagement, but Microsoft don't know a damn thing about releasing good games. They sometimes might buy a team that has talent, and then a good game might come out under the Microsoft banner because of a recent acquisition, but then we see situations where they try to dismantle good teams like they did with Tango before they were able to reform. Meanwhile, we got them constantly shoveling money into studios like 343 who have slowly killed the Halo franchise for over a decade. I have no faith in any of the projects that Microsoft has announced from other studios though. They don't know how to foster and help craft a great game from the ground up.

They want to run the industry by just constantly throwing money at things hoping it'll lead to greater market share. This initiative to make every thing an Xbox feels like them trying to spread a virus throughout the industry, but with the way things are at Microsoft, it feels like it would be a deadly virus. If they industry was controlled by Microsoft, it would be dead just like the Xbox console space is becoming.
 
RetroGamingUK said:
I loved the 360 and it was my main through most of that generation, but since then I've given up on them returning to that greatness. Now I'm just sitting laughing at them crash and burn.
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Imagine how petty one must be to actually sit at home and laugh at a company division that is failing.

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I looked at your post history, my friend. Jesus, you need to let it go. Get some air, enjoy your Playstation. It's just a console.
 
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DR3AM said:
MS's Xbox is an American company and we need to keep jobs here in the US. For some reason everyone here wants MS to fail and make PS the only player in the console market. This would be extremely bad for everyone.

Also, Xbox gave us Xbox Live, GamePass and Halo. Without those, who knows where we would be.

Competition for a good and we need to buy Xbox products.
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Are you expecting a reasonable and informative discussion with the overwhelming amount of fanboys on here?
 
I don't think there's an overwhelming desire for Xbox to fail, so much as that Xbox has become a clownshow of repeated mistakes, mismanagemnt, and inabiity to be an effective player in a relatively small space despite having a better hand than everyone else occupying the same space.

Xbox has aggressively acquired many of the largest publishers/developers/IPs that the industry has to offer, not to mention "homegrown" several huge IPs that, once upon a time, made them a power player. Yet despite all the advantages that Xbox has, it simply can't seem to manage any of them into a victory. Everything they do is a gaffe at this point. And even moves that are good for consumers, like Gamepass and porting titles to their competitors platforms, continue to undermine them.

We have three separate console platforms (Nintendo, Xbox, PlayStation) and effectively 3 competing PC storefronts (Steam, GoG, Epic Games Store). There are other players in the PC space but they're not much worth getting into.

Xbox as a platform is simply dying. No one is buying their hardware, and their software is not performing well because a great many leech it from Gamepass for a small amount of money rather than purchasing it at MSRP. Porting their titles to Nintendo and PlayStation will help them to get some sales, but their business model does not seem to be working as far as long term profit goes.

Rooting for Xbox's failure has traditionally been about getting them to get their shit together--much like Sony had to after the PS3 leadup/launch and Nintendo had to after the WiiU. Xbox does not seem capable of this. The platform has been in a steady decline for twelve years now. Some would argue more. Xbox dying as a platform at this point is a mercy killing. The don't have a future as a platform.

All of that said, I heartily look forward to Xbox completing its transition into the largest third party publisher in the industry. This means more games across more genres for more gamers. We need to stop talking about the death of Xbox as a platform as some terrible thing, and that somehow their folding magically allows PlayStation to completely take over the gaming industry. PC is a far larger competitor to PlayStation than Xbox has been for many years. The death of Xbox will have no effect on PC, and this fantasy that Sony will become some unstoppable Unicron of gaming is a paranoid fantasy of the highest order. Console gaming is not growing. It's contracting. There are more options out there now--not just in the form of PC and Nintendo, but the emerging handheld PC market and the continued explosion of mobile. Xbox as it currently stands has a smaller amount of the market each year. When its collapse as a platform is complete, all of the Xbox gamers don't suddenly become PlayStation gamers overnight. Many will migrate to PC. Others to Nintendo. Still others will just decide to call it quits and play their old games on old hardware. And yes, some will migrate to PlayStation. But it won't make Sony into the god emperor of gaming. Little will actually change. And not much will matter.
 
Xbox original and Xbox 360 were fantastic. Then they lost their way, hardware and software suffered across the board. They took their focus off gaming and tried to buy success with Activision purchase. It's easy to hate such a talentless company who consistently feeds on others success. Look at what they allowed to happen to Halo and Master Chief, their pride and joy. Unforgivable. Gamepass has reduced the quality of software as it's intended as subscription filler.

We do need ompeotition, no matter what it looks like. They've had their chance, time to bow out and move on. Let someone else become the third company, if it's even possible.
 
I just want that their actual business model to fail (buy studios to sell their titles primarily in a GAAS package) not that their entire gaming division to crumble
 
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DeltaPolarBear said:
The result of competition is that the loser gets phased out and replaced by new competition. That is why we don't have Atari Jaguar 3. Yes, competition is important, but once the competition is defeated they need to exit stage left for someone else.

Imagine if Olympic champions get lifetime right to compete in future Finals. Leading to every competition filled with geriatrics because new blood can't come in.
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Theres a difference between a competitor organically entering the market place and literally just wishing the only competition just dies because lol warrior agenda. If a serious competitor was going to enter the market it would be able to do so with or without xbox dying. If a competitor comes in right now that will replace xbox cool, but thats headfanon which leaves us nowhere with Sony completely shafting us. Sadly with how Xbox is going I can only pray a serious competitor comes in because its looking grim.
 
A Company that cannot develop their own games and it's good only in acquiring other companies because their studios cannot develop good games it's not something the industry needs
 
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DR3AM said:
MS's Xbox is an American company and we need to keep jobs here in the US. For some reason everyone here wants MS to fail and make PS the only player in the console market. This would be extremely bad for everyone.

Also, Xbox gave us Xbox Live, GamePass and Halo. Without those, who knows where we would be.

Competition for a good and we need to buy Xbox products.
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You listen too much Jez Corden.
 
I was wondering the same thing, do people really not understand that it gets worse when the competition goes away?

Of course there are many fanboys in both camps, but think 2 steps ahead. It will be worse for everyone, not better when the xbox disappeared.
 
Xbox is not competition. A competitor who keeps failing should fold out and leave the space for better newcomers.

But Xbox keeps getting bankrolled into awful decisions and terrible plans that make the whole industry worse.
Unfairly occupying a space that should've been available to others for decades now.
 
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Nobody wants Xbox to fail.

We all just want to be able to talk about them failing (which they are) without being labeled as haters who want it to fail.
 
Me, personally?

They went the woke route and most of their games are a bit shit, and any game that is good, I buy on the PC..

And now talk of dumping physical..?

So what's the point 🤷‍♂️
 
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Also, Xbox gave us Xbox Live, GamePass and Halo. Without those, who knows where we would be.
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Without Xbox Live we would probably still have free online play in consoles.
Without Gamepass people would still buy games on Xbox and their value wouldn't have been lost. It was Gamepass that literally put Xbox in this tough spot where they needed to go 3rd party.
And without Halo we would be...exactly where we are right now. The IP is irrelevant and has been for like 15 years.

Hope that helps.

Also people don't want Xbox to fail. They seem to do everything in their power for the brand to fail.
 
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I don't hate Xbox, but the brand itself has forced me to become a PS only gamer. They haven't innovated since the 360 in any meaningful way, and have only continued to try and brute-force the brand into every gaming crevice - which has only diluted their appeal.
 
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When you neglect, gaslight and astroturf general audience for two generations straight, don't act surprised when it does the same with your brand.

Nobody wants Xbox to fail more than Xbox leadership.
 
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