I'm genuinely impressed by Sony's decision to make their PS5 First-Party Games exclusive to Next-Gen only! (Positive Vibes ITT)
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Knitted Knight
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This is what next-generations have always been all about. Pushing the envelope to the next stage of hardware performance.
That MS has forced fed a narrative on a bunch of fanboys that it's ok to be otherwise and that such stance is pro-consumer and all that other nonsense lmao. They're living on their own island.
That MS has forced fed a narrative on a bunch of fanboys that it's ok to be otherwise and that such stance is pro-consumer and all that other nonsense lmao. They're living on their own island.
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Grand Theft Scratchy
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I would be more impressed if they remade some older IP like Jet Moto, Syphon Filter or SOCOM. Another Souls game when we already have Elden Ring to look forward to? I don't get it.
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Umbral
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Yes to all those, but also give me Demon's Souls.
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When will Spider Man be available on PS5? Is it day one? What if someone has PS4 discs but buys the PS5 Digital Edition because it's cheaper? Plus, will PS5 be backwards compatible with all the discs or is it just digital only? Some stuff, Sony simply hasn't made crystal clear. All they keep saying is that BC is progressing.
I loved Spider Man and all the DLC so I wouldn't mind 30-40 hours for Miles Morales. Just give me a great main story, some good side stories and cutout the crimes and collectibles.
Rock And Roll
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I'm from Canada so unfortunately that would probably be $499. I doubt Eb Games will be giving us more than $150 for our ps4 trades (and that's being extremely generous).
Even still, I wouldn't want to go digital. Games are only getting larger in size so it would fill up the SSD that much quicker. As long as physical gaming is an option, I'm going to go that route. Uses far less storage space and also I can sell the game when I'm done with it.
Bryank75
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Just to be more constructive than dunking on gamepass...... I would prefer if PlayStation followed Nintendo more closely. Stay away from streaming or keep it very limited as a tertiary service.
I would be happy if they got some cheaper games to be exclusive also... like Genshin Impact and that Pokemon clone Temtem.
I would be happy if they got some cheaper games to be exclusive also... like Genshin Impact and that Pokemon clone Temtem.
Grinchy
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Microsoft couldn't time out some next-gen games and everyone bought so hard into this idea that a new generation console doesn't come with new generation games. It's crazy how well PR works.
Jtibh
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Be patient. Games will come. What was shown are games 3 or more years in development.
I have many tvs in my house but i stopped at 80 4k samsung.
I just have a soundbar cuz everyone is bitching if things are too loud. Most of the time i just use the tv speakers as i only get to play at night at which point my daughter sleeps and wife gets ready for night shift.
This new 3d thing is very welcome i can finally get my youth back with the propper head phones
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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I think it's because Demon's Souls was the first game that started this trend of SoulsBorne games that came after it.
It developed a strong cult following and it's only exclusive to the PS3, but now just like Dark Souls, it will be available to play for a new generation of gamers.
Jtibh
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Ok lets break it down.
Going to the movies three of us with pop and popcorn almost 60 bucks.
Thats for 2 hours.
Going to some disgusting indoor playground with lunch and arcade again at least 60 bucks. All while some punk ass kids shit their pants right next to you so you gag your way out of there.
Going away for a weekend skiing or camping gas food equpiment camp feea or hotel a few hundred bucks for the 3 of us.
Consoles give lots of value in a weak economy and the content nowdays is almost for free with gamepass and psnow plus the cheap ass sales we have lately.
Grand Theft Scratchy
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Damn, you're right. But I want my high-octane Jet Moto remake that plays like MotorStorm. Just thinking about such a game running on PS5 with the graphics of Gran Turismo 7 would get me so hyped.
Batiman
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I would be happy with that decision if the games looked completely next gen. People said making games exclusively for ps5 would make them take full advantage of the hardware with no compromises. Sony's showing didn't blow me away graphic wise at all besides 2-3 games. The rest look ps4 level so far.
If you are fine with Sony's way of arbitrarily excluding games from PS4 to push PS5 console sales that's fine. Nothing that was shown Thursday couldn't be made to work on PS4, but it makes those who plan to purchase a PS5 "feel" good that the new Astro Bot can only be played on PS5.
Microsoft just wants to support their prior console for a few more years. There is no harm in that.
Microsoft just wants to support their prior console for a few more years. There is no harm in that.
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Jtibh
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I still have it on my ps3.
I heard a lot of rave about it in the past and then it was free on psn .
I got hooked right away. I didnt know jack shit kept dying etc. and it was the challenge that kept me going.
Its been a while and after this sekiro shit pfuii
i cant wait to play a propper souls game again.
And yes once again sony took the risk ans started something fresh that turned into this massive franchise.
They did the same with david cage dude and look at that unthankful bastard turning its back.
Bottom line sony is alwasy open to the unknown like death stranding and thats why i will always go sony first cuz i know it will have variety and crazy weird shit that no one else wants to touch.
I am glad microsoft noticed that single player story games are not a waste of money and they try it their way with hb2 medium and many more to come.
The difference though between the 2 is that if microsoft looses money they drop the ball asap where as sony will continue to support new and weird ideas.
DrAspirino
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Spiderman: Miles Morales should be released on both consoles (PS4 and PS5) because it's simply a spin-off of the first game. It's like releasing Uncharted 4 on PS3 and then the spin-off in PS4.
The rest of the games? I think it's risky, given the current economic and political situation we're all living in (yeah, the rest of the world also faces a global economic meltdown).
We'll just have to "wait and see" how this develops...
The rest of the games? I think it's risky, given the current economic and political situation we're all living in (yeah, the rest of the world also faces a global economic meltdown).
We'll just have to "wait and see" how this develops...
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Jtibh
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My ps4 is still well supported wirh 2 massive aaa blockbuster games on the way and my never ending backlog of ps4 games i yet have to touch.
Its the right move for sony to put everything on ps5 only.
For microsoft well they have to prove to their core audience that they can support their system long therm or people will think they will be left out in 3 to 4 years adter release ans it will be another 3rd party only machine.
Xbox had no exclusives this year and nothing is coming till the end of the year if it even will happen.
Umbral
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If I were to guess, launch day for Spiderman: Miles Morales
That would be foolish to buy the digital edition knowing you have tons of games on disc. I would recommend the person wait until they can afford the disc model. It's likely to be at most a $50 discount anyway.
They would be crucified if backwards compatibility was digital only. I think they've been very clear on how it works, but some people missed it. PS5 will run all PS4 games in a legacy mode, just like PS4 Pro runs all PS4 games despite being twice as powerful. The top 100 games they're testing is for using the actual power of the PS5 for the game. They don't need to test PS4 games to run on PS5 as they are, because it's built into the system design.
Im glad your happy about sony boning ps4 owners out the spiderman dlc because they are afraid of the cross generation label. Im sorry just because Sony has exclusive dlc does not avoid the cross generation label for me. Sony should of not talked shit and embraced it with more remakes and spider man dlc without boning ps4 users. Unless it is the dreamcast all consoles need content at first instead of being stuck up about it and hurting everyone it could be a win for everyone. There needs to be games while horizon 2 finishes.
Umbral
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Ratchet and Clank. Your argument is null.
DaleinCalgary
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Microsoft...the king of 1st party game support!
digital_ghost
I am a closet furry. Don't you judge me.
Seriously though, us Sony guys aren't anything compared to EA. Releasing the same Madden NFL video games for years with very little changes.
Until Spiderman comes out for PS5 we can't really say how much new content it has.
DeltaPolarBear
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Which is why I never actually believed it was an intentional decision; I interpret it as the game studios not able to make near launch, so MS decided to market it as being pro-consumer.
If MS wanted they could have promised cross gen 1st party games for 2 years or more. But they only promised one year from launch. Why so short a time? Too short to really make anyone happy. So to me it is just smokescreen to hide their ineptitude.
I am just surprised how well it worked. Almost everyone seemed to be fooled. I always make fun of MS marketing, but this time around I take my hat off for such a masterful lie.
You must have forgotten how good Ratchet and Clank looked on PS4. Go compare you are going to be surprised. Yes the teleporting to different areas is new, but those were linear levels not open world.
lastmessiah
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Well, Scorn is only playable on XSX. Game engines are still what they've always been so it makes perfect sense to release games for both platforms. There will still be a significant difference in performance and visual fidelity. "Next gen" is not really what people make it out to be.
DarthFeanor
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That is mostly Sony PR talking.
The number of full next-gen exclusives and cross gen will be basically the same as this Gen transition.
Third party developers are going be the ones that will control when this generation is going to die.
The number of full next-gen exclusives and cross gen will be basically the same as this Gen transition.
Third party developers are going be the ones that will control when this generation is going to die.
quickwhips
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Thats a fair staement. I have no problem with rachet and clank and that make sense for a nee game. Just so torn on the spiderman.
Seriously though, us Sony guys aren't anything compared to EA. Releasing the same Madden NFL video games for years with very little changes.
Until Spiderman comes out for PS5 we can't really say how much new content it has.
Hawking Radiation
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As crazy as it sounds, i think this may be a very good idea. The PS4 userbase being as large as it is with a brand as big as Spider-Man's and a follow up to last year's blockbuster Spider-Man title, a follow up for both PS5 and PS4 will do record numbers i'm sure.
quickwhips
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I mean bc should make this playable on ps5 if its a ps4 title. I didnt mean to derail thread.
DrAspirino
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That's because consoles, right now, are just "slimmed down" x86 PCs: no new architecture, no new CPU instruction set, no new way of storage (yes, SSDs are different, but the concept is the same).
Next-gen XSX and PS5 are just "beefed up" current-gen consoles: if they release new games or don't is, from an architectural and technical point of view, irrelevant.
digital_ghost
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Thanks for being a reasonable guy. Some people here are hard to reason with or are argumentive. I'm kinda torn on Spiderman as well. I'm hoping a true sequel comes sooner than later.
Golgo 13
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If you understand technology, Sony's approach is definitely more exciting than cross-generational releases and an "all inclusive" ecosystem. So yes, it's awesome. Question is, will some of this shit be cross-generational? Miles Morales, HZD2, GT7, any of it? I think some of it will, because there's so much money on the table, and NOWHERE has Sony ruled out some of those titles coming to PS4 as well.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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If MedEvil was able to get a remaster, then there could be hope for Jet Moro and other cult-favourites from the PlayStation lineup.
Major_Key
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I don't think demon souls is more impressive than Halo, same for Spidey. Total objectivity.
So if XBOX come with cross gen games who took full advantage of next gen I don't see where is the problem
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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Did you get a chance to.see the in-game screenshots of Demon's Souls Remake?
They're gorgeous.
Major_Key
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Gamer79
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If they can speed up the GTA V online load times color me impressed. Good god it's awful
trapanesenyc
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I actually think its a bit messed up because I doubt any games coming out at launch is ground up built for next gen. A game like death-loop or spider-man which was built on the skeleton of games already out on current gen are fully capable of running on current gen, but won't be due to marketing. It's anti consumer to me because many people literally can't upgrade due to finances and won't be able to play certain games. If they game literally couldn't run on current gen thats one thing, but to intentionally just not put them out personally bothers me. I personally don't care that they will help Sony sell more PS5's at launch, thats not my concern as a consumer. I just want to play the games. It's like money hatting your own console.
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Bryank75
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They can't run on last gen.... that's the point.
Anyway, why feel sorry for last gen? We just got TLOU2 96 metacritic, Ghost of Tsushima is due next month and Cyberpunk and a load of 3rd party games like Watch Dogs Legion and AC Valhalla are due around winter.....
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DrAspirino
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Spiderman: Miles Morales technically can. It's the same f*cking engine and foundation!!! The only reason it's being thrown to PS5 is literally marketing. That's it.
trapanesenyc
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It would be an assumption to think they can't. I mean Halo infinite and Flight simulator can, but I have to assume Miles Morales can't? That's to big of a leap for me personally. I'm not feeling bad for last gen, also I''m buying both at launch so I won't be affected personally. But if you can launch a game for last gen but chose not too for marketing reasons, it makes sense business wise, but as a consumer it does bother me.
Bryank75
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Why don't people get angry with Nintendo for doing the same?
It's also been done every generation till now....
But because Xbox decide to do something, suddenly PlayStation have to too? Please.....
It's not anti-consumer because the people who have not bought PS5 are not PS5 consumers.
I mean if I buy a new OLED TV with hdmi 2.1 etc, should everyone with an old TV get all those features?
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trapanesenyc
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It is anti consumer when nintendo does it imo. If they said Zelda:BOTW isn't going to the wii u but is fully capable on running on it, thats messed up to me. If an old oled TV is capable of hdmi 2.1 via update but the company says nah thats also anti consumer. A lot is anti consumer but is good business so its about balance, but if you just take whatever a company throws at you at face value then we'd be screwed. Xbox is doing it because they did so much anti consumer moves early last gen they are making up for it almost a decade later. I'm sure they'd love to do the same if there were in a similar position to Sony.
DrAspirino
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Because they changed architecture, that's why. They changed the storage media, changed the CPU (from PowerPC to ARM), changed the form factor and even operating system (they now use FreeBSD).
But before the Switch, all Nintendo disc-based consoles were pretty backwards compatible (either officially or unofficially). The Wii could read Gamecube discs. The Wii-U could read Wii discs and, if you modded it, also Gamecube ISOs. Same with the portable ones: gameboy color was BC with original Gameboy. Gameboy Advance was BC with all the previous ones. Nintendo DS was compatible with Gameboy Advance cartridges, 3DS with DS and DSi cartridges...
As i said in another thread, PS5 and XSX runs the same hardware AND software architecture (x86+Windows on Xbox, and x86+FreeBSD on PlayStation) so there's literally no excuse to not scale down the engines for cross-gen games.
Bryank75
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And so what do people do when Ratchet goes into a portal and it takes 2 minutes to load instead of 2 seconds? They say 'F this crap game...it's broken' get a terrible experience and blame it all on Sony.....
Or Spider-man, so Miles is swinging so fast, the city doesn't load in.... it looks like the game is broken.... what now?
Or the new CPU allows so many enemies and new huge enemies in mech's etc.... but in the old version they can't do that and so it's just a load of normal enemies... that takes a load of manpower to decide which enemies to put in there instead and it's technically a different experience. A far inferior experience....
Snow deformity and other details would also be lost and when people see advertising they see a completely different game.... resulting in a huge controversy.
Vroadstar
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I LOL'd... and you must be living in a cave then because two triple AAA games is releasing to cap off a console that stomped the competition this gen. Might hear about it because one is soon to be GOTY and the other your a freaking samurai slash ninja!!!
DrAspirino
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Ratchet uses a different "skeleton" (although same engine), so it's justified its release exclusively on PS5, but Spider-man isn't. Spider-man is literally the same as GTA V: a previous-gen game that was ported to current-gen hardware, and both running at the same time.
True, X360/PS3 version of GTAV isn't as pretty as the PS4/Xbone version, but both are exactly the same game. Heck, they're even releasing it for XSX/PS5!!
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