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Killzone: Shadow Fall Multiplayer Discussion
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What do they do? They're description doesn't make sense to me.
TimeEffect
Member
I assume quick throw stickies?
TimeEffect
Member
You know the problem? Revive= automatic free grenade refill. Quite nonsense
MADGAME
Member
From my observation, they seem to be more powerful than fraggers with a smaller blast radius. Much more accurate too.
Hey guys. Haven't been keeping up with this thread, but are there many Gaf games happening? Getting this with my PS4 when it's out here on Friday, in the UK. Seems like the kind of game that's improved vastly by playing as a team, so I'd love to get in on any group stuff going around.
I don't really understand what the point of the Supply Box is when the game auto-regenerates health anyway within seconds and seems to resupply ammo when being revived.
Am I missing something? I'm never going to be able to complete the challenges that require 10, 50, but especially over 100 teammates to resupply.
GG either needs to greatly drop the challenge requirements for them, or buff the hell out of them. Or make it so reviving doesn't magically give ammo back.
Interesting, thank you.
Am I missing something? I'm never going to be able to complete the challenges that require 10, 50, but especially over 100 teammates to resupply.
GG either needs to greatly drop the challenge requirements for them, or buff the hell out of them. Or make it so reviving doesn't magically give ammo back.
Interesting, thank you.
ref
Member
Most nights there's a group (or two, depends on how many people online) around 6-8pm PST and usually last 3-5 hours. Doesn't appear like it's going to stop soon either, so you'll be able to find people to play with pretty easily.
Grinchy
Banned
Wow, I didn't know that. They definitely need to take that away if that's the case. In the meantime, I'm going to spam grenades when I revive.
schwabdizzle
Banned
Played Friday night with some fellow GAFers. Had a blast. that game takes teamwork and our W/L ratio was proving that. Online is what makes this game. I do wish they would bring back VIP mode and the Saboteur class though.
Not only that, but it reloads your weapon as well...
Personally, I like that, because it is impossible to find ammo sometimes.
JetSetRadio
Banned
Is there a hardcore mode in MP?
MADGAME
Member
Had my first experience with the Support class supply box last night. A group of us were defending a search & destroy target near our base in Penthouse (the one at the bottom of the steps). Myself and another Assault player set up shields and were gunning/grenading down those attempting to set the charge.
There was a Support player who kept leaving a supply box near us...I don't run out of ammo often, but I do use my grenade and the 3 grenades in my Rumbler. Defending behind a shield with pretty much unlimited grenade refills was pretty damn sweet. Thanks, whoever you are.
So basically, Support class supply boxes are pretty clutch if you end up in a defensible or spawn camp position.
There was a Support player who kept leaving a supply box near us...I don't run out of ammo often, but I do use my grenade and the 3 grenades in my Rumbler. Defending behind a shield with pretty much unlimited grenade refills was pretty damn sweet. Thanks, whoever you are.
So basically, Support class supply boxes are pretty clutch if you end up in a defensible or spawn camp position.
Grinchy
Banned
Wow. This whole time I've been refusing a revive b/c I was out of ammo when I died.
Played a few hours of the Multiplayer on this game and damn it is boring. Feels like every match play out exactly the same. I will admit I have not put a lot of time into looking into the different game types. I was just playing the default game type which is Warzone I think.
Reckless Onion
Member
So is there a lot of input lag in the MP?
silver.tongue
Member
Just droppin by to say I hate you guys.
(I'm so jealous!)
I made a request to implement proxy chat (being able to hear/chat with the enemy team based on AOE) like KZ2. Can you guys sign in with you're PSN accounts and lend three votes to the cause?
https://feedback.killzone.com/forum...052810-please-bring-back-kz2-s-proximity-chat
Looks like clan support, better hip fire, and Team VOIP will be a sure thing. All are the top suggestions ATM. Also believe fixing the scoreboard and better sized MP icons/text is already in the works.
You can also suggest your own things. You have 7 points total to spend.
https://feedback.killzone.com/forum...052810-please-bring-back-kz2-s-proximity-chat
Looks like clan support, better hip fire, and Team VOIP will be a sure thing. All are the top suggestions ATM. Also believe fixing the scoreboard and better sized MP icons/text is already in the works.
You can also suggest your own things. You have 7 points total to spend.
EL CUCO
Member
Not at all. Feels very responsive.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Voted with 3 points, proximity chat rules.
STA_DMAmul
Neo Member
nope - haven't noticed any input lag.
Voted with 3 votes too, totally agree.
Confidence Man
Member
Anyone suggest a wider FOV?
Many Thanks. I'm surprised more games don't do it, and shocked that KZ dropped it the past two.
While it's fun to taunt the enemy, it even has it's tactical advantages. Hearing a blabber mouth enemy around the corner is always fun stuff.
If AOE proxy chat was the only implementation for Team Chat, I think I'd be ok with that too as long as party chat can work at the same time. Keep a direct line of chat with the party, and only to team mates who are working with you close by. Lots of room for useful tactics.
I'm sure full team chat is priority though.
That might effect game performance, right? Probably depends on where the cut off is for LOD and asset streaming?
You have my sword.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
I suggested that to @killzone a while back.
Grinchy
Banned
It's a pretty damn awesome MP game. You'll have it soon enough haha
There are a couple of hardcore Warzones, yes. Haven't checked them out personally though. Just been grinding away for those Trophies >_>
The classes are balanced with the objective modes in mind. Why don't you play the objective based modes? Your apparent focus on TDM/Assault class leads me to believe you do prefer vanilla mil shooters. I referred to the autonomous drone because you used it as an example..
I have. Made a lot of suggestions in a major GAF post and sent them to the devs. Both the official Twitter and the tech director thanked me and forwarded them.
Appollowexx
Member
Just started a new PSN account for my PS4 and wondered the same thing. UK Gaf here but happy to add anyone who will be up for some team games of KZ.
ID - Apollowexx
I really wish I could see an in-game list of all players that shows kills, deaths, assists and their current class. The in-game and in-between game UI is kind of terrible.
edit: Also, it should show each teams current score as a number in the Team Deathmatch Warzone's, rather than just the bars that fill in.
PSN: Mr_Jordoon
edit: Also, it should show each teams current score as a number in the Team Deathmatch Warzone's, rather than just the bars that fill in.
PSN: Mr_Jordoon
I actually like how the UI is setup, I think they just made some very unorthodox design decisions. For example, the scoreboard is not at all ideal, and not even being able to see my Kills/Deaths is very strange.
Does it not show K/D in deathmatch? They don't show it in Warzone because they don't want ppl to be distracted by K/D ratio in an objective game. Though I think they should show it at the end of the game.
The Tofunator
Member
Deathmatch is just Warzone with one mode and round, so it shows exactly the same information.
TimeEffect
Member
Aside from the obvious,
1) Hipfire buff (though I fear this would result in a need to rebalance weapons...so it will need to be thoroughly tested. I like the gun balance currently, but hipfire is literally useless in any situation)
2) There should absolutely be a way to knock out enemies when they are downed, like in past Killzone games. It's way too silly that enemies can lie on the ground forever until they are respawned. Or, at the very least, grenade blasts, in addition to brutal melees and headshots should invalidate their opportunity to revive. This may not be an issue at all if you fix #3, which I find to be the culprit.
3) Revives should NOT resupply ANY ammo!! Especially grenades. It makes Supply boxes absolutely useless...
4) Supply boxes need to be visible on map. They need to be a much more viable support ability, but it will never be used with how contradictory the current health regeneration and "revive and resupply" is. On top of all this, actually bothering to go through the animation of getting ammo and health is much too inconvenient. In Killzone 2/3, resupply boxes were all around the map in fixed positions, allowing players to gear up before engaging. But by making it portable in Shadow Fall, people aren't going to bother in the thick of battle when they can just auto-regenerate health in seconds and have their ammo resupplied with revives.
-I assume players can drop supply boxes and then change their ability while having the supply boxes stay on the map (like spawn beacons, turrets, and other abilities). Not sure if this is how it works, but if not, players should be able to drop supply boxes and have them stay on the map for an extended period (maybe 2x longer than that of Spawn Beacons).
-This way, ammo boxes are encouraged and equally important as the other support abilities. As of now, they are rather useless and undermined by revives.
5) Assassination mode. I wont give up on this and am sad that more people aren't asking for it.
6) Party members should absolutely be colour-coded with individual colours on the minimap. Not just blue. Use as many colours as there are players in your party.
7) I wouldn't mind buffing the Spoor. Not in terms of damage, but Rate of Fire. Unlike Killzone 3, since snipers can't be invisible while firing guns, there shouldn't be an issue with buffing this gun to be a viable weapon.
8) PLEASE: HAVE AUTO-BALANCE AND MINIMUM PLAYER REQUIREMENT! Or at least don't punish me for quitting from lousy matchmaking.
Quitting games that throw us into lopsided matches (I'm talking about insane 7 vs. 2 matches) should NOT be punished with a loss.
Nor is it fair to throw us in games where you are playing 1v1 or with JUST YOURSELF. The online population is so shockingly low that I dare not bother loading up playlists that have like 20 players in them, because I'm too afraid of being thrown into a server with just myself. You guys need to tighten up the way you guys fill up servers here.
New rounds of matches should balance teams when starting a round where a group quits. For example, you may play game #1 where it's 7v7, then you stick around for the next map, only to have everyone else on your team quit... leaving you in a 7v1 situation.
Balance the teams, obviously without splitting members who are in a friend party. And if you can't do that, then don't make the match count as a ranked match, or reset the actual map when enough players join. Because it's nonsense trying to hold back a whole team, praying that enough players join your team, when by then, the enemy team has already gained like 2 points.
9) If you aren't going to make 12v12 warzone the default, at least increase 7v7 to 9v9. I feel like this may be a better balance for the size of the maps, which sometimes feel too big when you hold back on player limit. I assume you are holding back because 12v12 may be too overwhelming for new players/map size.
10) Please bring back Salamun Market
1) Hipfire buff (though I fear this would result in a need to rebalance weapons...so it will need to be thoroughly tested. I like the gun balance currently, but hipfire is literally useless in any situation)
2) There should absolutely be a way to knock out enemies when they are downed, like in past Killzone games. It's way too silly that enemies can lie on the ground forever until they are respawned. Or, at the very least, grenade blasts, in addition to brutal melees and headshots should invalidate their opportunity to revive. This may not be an issue at all if you fix #3, which I find to be the culprit.
3) Revives should NOT resupply ANY ammo!! Especially grenades. It makes Supply boxes absolutely useless...
4) Supply boxes need to be visible on map. They need to be a much more viable support ability, but it will never be used with how contradictory the current health regeneration and "revive and resupply" is. On top of all this, actually bothering to go through the animation of getting ammo and health is much too inconvenient. In Killzone 2/3, resupply boxes were all around the map in fixed positions, allowing players to gear up before engaging. But by making it portable in Shadow Fall, people aren't going to bother in the thick of battle when they can just auto-regenerate health in seconds and have their ammo resupplied with revives.
-I assume players can drop supply boxes and then change their ability while having the supply boxes stay on the map (like spawn beacons, turrets, and other abilities). Not sure if this is how it works, but if not, players should be able to drop supply boxes and have them stay on the map for an extended period (maybe 2x longer than that of Spawn Beacons).
-This way, ammo boxes are encouraged and equally important as the other support abilities. As of now, they are rather useless and undermined by revives.
5) Assassination mode. I wont give up on this and am sad that more people aren't asking for it.
6) Party members should absolutely be colour-coded with individual colours on the minimap. Not just blue. Use as many colours as there are players in your party.
7) I wouldn't mind buffing the Spoor. Not in terms of damage, but Rate of Fire. Unlike Killzone 3, since snipers can't be invisible while firing guns, there shouldn't be an issue with buffing this gun to be a viable weapon.
8) PLEASE: HAVE AUTO-BALANCE AND MINIMUM PLAYER REQUIREMENT! Or at least don't punish me for quitting from lousy matchmaking.
Quitting games that throw us into lopsided matches (I'm talking about insane 7 vs. 2 matches) should NOT be punished with a loss.
Nor is it fair to throw us in games where you are playing 1v1 or with JUST YOURSELF. The online population is so shockingly low that I dare not bother loading up playlists that have like 20 players in them, because I'm too afraid of being thrown into a server with just myself. You guys need to tighten up the way you guys fill up servers here.
New rounds of matches should balance teams when starting a round where a group quits. For example, you may play game #1 where it's 7v7, then you stick around for the next map, only to have everyone else on your team quit... leaving you in a 7v1 situation.
Balance the teams, obviously without splitting members who are in a friend party. And if you can't do that, then don't make the match count as a ranked match, or reset the actual map when enough players join. Because it's nonsense trying to hold back a whole team, praying that enough players join your team, when by then, the enemy team has already gained like 2 points.
9) If you aren't going to make 12v12 warzone the default, at least increase 7v7 to 9v9. I feel like this may be a better balance for the size of the maps, which sometimes feel too big when you hold back on player limit. I assume you are holding back because 12v12 may be too overwhelming for new players/map size.
10) Please bring back Salamun Market
Aside from the obvious,
1) Hipfire buff (though I fear this would result in a need to rebalance weapons...so it will need to be thoroughly tested. I like the gun balance currently, but hipfire is literally useless in any situation)
2) There should absolutely be a way to knock out enemies when they are downed, like in past Killzone games. It's way too silly that enemies can lie on the ground forever until they are respawned. Or, at the very least, grenade blasts, in addition to brutal melees and headshots should invalidate their opportunity to revive. This may not be an issue at all if you fix #3, which I find to be the culprit.
3) Revives should NOT resupply ANY ammo!! Especially grenades. It makes Supply boxes absolutely useless...
4) Supply boxes need to be visible on map. They need to be a much more viable support ability, but it will never be used with how contradictory the current health regeneration and "revive and resupply" is. On top of all this, actually bothering to go through the animation of getting ammo and health is much too inconvenient. In Killzone 2/3, resupply boxes were all around the map in fixed positions, allowing players to gear up before engaging. But by making it portable in Shadow Fall, people aren't going to bother in the thick of battle when they can just auto-regenerate health in seconds and have their ammo resupplied with revives.
-I assume players can drop supply boxes and then change their ability while having the supply boxes stay on the map (like spawn beacons, turrets, and other abilities). Not sure if this is how it works, but if not, players should be able to drop supply boxes and have them stay on the map for an extended period (maybe 2x longer than that of Spawn Beacons).
-This way, ammo boxes are encouraged and equally important as the other support abilities. As of now, they are rather useless and undermined by revives.
5) Assassination mode. I wont give up on this and am sad that more people aren't asking for it.
6) Party members should absolutely be colour-coded with individual colours on the minimap. Not just blue. Use as many colours as there are players in your party.
7) I wouldn't mind buffing the Spoor. Not in terms of damage, but Rate of Fire. Unlike Killzone 3, since snipers can't be invisible while firing guns, there shouldn't be an issue with buffing this gun to be a viable weapon.
8) PLEASE: HAVE AUTO-BALANCE AND MINIMUM PLAYER REQUIREMENT! Or at least don't punish me for quitting from lousy matchmaking.
Quitting games that throw us into lopsided matches (I'm talking about insane 7 vs. 2 matches) should NOT be punished with a loss.
Nor is it fair to throw us in games where you are playing 1v1 or with JUST YOURSELF. The online population is so shockingly low that I dare not bother loading up playlists that have like 20 players in them, because I'm too afraid of being thrown into a server with just myself. You guys need to tighten up the way you guys fill up servers here.
New rounds of matches should balance teams when starting a round where a group quits. For example, you may play game #1 where it's 7v7, then you stick around for the next map, only to have everyone else on your team quit... leaving you in a 7v1 situation.
Balance the teams, obviously without splitting members who are in a friend party. And if you can't do that, then don't make the match count as a ranked match, or reset the actual map when enough players join. Because it's nonsense trying to hold back a whole team, praying that enough players join your team, when by then, the enemy team has already gained like 2 points.
9) If you aren't going to make 12v12 warzone the default, at least increase 7v7 to 9v9. I feel like this may be a better balance for the size of the maps, which sometimes feel too big when you hold back on player limit. I assume you are holding back because 12v12 may be too overwhelming for new players/map size.
10) Please bring back Salamun Market
Signed. This man speaks the truth!
And yes, hipfire does feel really, really gimped. Needs a decent accuracy boost. Maybe 10-15% extra accuracy for some guns with extended firing giving a big decrease in accuracy due to recoil.
Now when people have had the time to try the game out for some time I'd love to hear a verdict on the DS4 triggers. Are they good enough for competitive FPS multiplayer or are people going with the L1/R1 setup? Would love to hear from someone who played/plays FPS games with the 360/ONE controller.
PS4 controller > 360 controller for FPSes. And I've been using the 360 controller since late 2005 when it first came out. PS4 controller is the best controller I've ever used, even though the 360 controller is a close 2nd.
BlackGoku03
Member
I suck at the multiplayer. I get killed way too fast before I get a few shots on someone. I guess I should try for more headshots but my last few sessions have been frustrating.
I enjoyed the hell out of the SP campaign though.
I enjoyed the hell out of the SP campaign though.
Cool! And you use the L2-aim and R2-fire as well?
Yep! That's the default config. I never found L1 aim R1 fire to feel as comfortable as 360's L2 Aim R2 fire.
Dual Shock 4 L2/R2 triggers are so, so good. If you love the 360 controller, you'll marry the DS4.
BattleMonkey
Member
Yea I've had no trouble taking out people with hip fire at medium to close range. As long as your not going full auto, hip fire is fairly accurate and should be useless at long range.
Hip fire buff is going to likely make a bunch of weapons suddenly superior and they need to do lot of weapon balancing before they do any type of across the board hip fire buffs