That's a good point, there hasn't been a hotfix for that yet, has there?
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i think noot is crazy if he says sej is not worth a ban
gragas is more op tho
what was the reasoning behind not having features like ally manabars and ult cd timers tho?
it's just much more difficult to coordinate a teamfight with azir than it is with annie
what's syndra's identity if you remove both her main strengths?
gragas is more op tho
i mean, you dont have to do much to do ok with janna, most of her spells are pretty straightforward
oh that's awesome, i really like it, specially having all the ally info right next to the minimap
what was the reasoning behind not having features like ally manabars and ult cd timers tho?
i mean, i'm pretty sure it's always been like this, a couple more, a couple less, but easy champions are just better at solo q because of how little they demand of the player and the team
it's just much more difficult to coordinate a teamfight with azir than it is with annie
leblanc has a very high skillfloor because of how she plays out in the mid-late game if you don't know what you're doing. unless you're pretty massively fed she's pretty similar to zed, you can't just hope for trading aoe ultimates in teamfights like you do with most champions in soloq, so you have to create picks on your own and move a lot around teamfights, specially now that there's so many tanks with easy to land cc
the problem is that riot had absolutely no idea what they wanted to do with syndra and randomly nerfed her laning+broke her e completely
what's syndra's identity if you remove both her main strengths?
BreezyLimbo
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Well that Lucian game was a flop. Our Morgana was so damn salty and mad though, I couldn't help but delight myself in her anger.
And I guess:What the hell do I build on an ADC anyways?
And I guess:What the hell do I build on an ADC anyways?
It's a reasonable enough list. I'd replace Nunu with LB though, add Ashe and remove all of the support bans. Nunu is really annoying, but thankfully almost nobody plays him.
I only play a few adc champs but usually IE, Phantom Dancer/Shiv(usually depends how the team is doing), Blood thirstier, Last Whisper then something defensive if needed or another phantom dancer if you are crazy ahead
BreezyLimbo
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Ashe seems incredibly stronk right now. Where would you rank her on the list?
I only play a few adc champs but usually IE, Phantom Dancer/Shiv(usually depends how the team is doing), Blood thirstier, Last Whisper then something defensive if needed or another phantom dancer if you are crazy ahead
I had a statikk shiv and an incomplete IE and a Vamp Scepter in my inventory.Our morgana was baffled at the Shiv.
Oh well. I should really learn ADC, but it's just soo boooring
My ordering differs a bit. I'd put gragas in the top, Ashe second and chogath third. Hecarim and the rest is lower priority for me.
I believe heca is a larger threat than Cho but in my experience barely any mid laners or top laners (players, not champs) can handle Cho, so I have to ban him.
Ashe will still be top tier I think. Kalista is up there too.
If you were ahead then maybe a ghostblade may of been better but I'm not too sure with Lucian I think a shiv is fine on him! ADC can be pretty boring as it is tricky to dictate how the lane will be played depending on what your support is doing.
Sometimes you have hyper aggressive supports who are great at zoning giving you the freedom to harass and farm, then the next game will be a super passive support who has zero presence which means you get zoned off farm slowing down the pace of the laning phase.
not much difference, sivir will still be strong, jinx will still be strong
i speak from experience
i can't handle the cho
MrCookiepants
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I don't think I've ever been this fed on Leblanc before. After a very salty Ori loss, I really needed this.
I love Hexakill a lot.
I love Hexakill a lot.
Never. I have too many Ashe skins. She was one of my goto adcs before the rework. Now she's just that much more fun to play.
Grats!! Nice job.
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Dat name change
Yeah, Leblanc is actually a common mistake for people to ban. She actually has one of the lowest winrates for a midlaner.
She's had a low win rate for a long time for sure. She's not the highest priority ban but she's often oppressive in my experience, and mid laners often want her banned when I ask for wishes. It might be confirmation bias or it might be that there's more people who can play lb properly than people that can deal with lb properly in my elo. It's hard to say.
Yeah, it's definitely just confirmation bias. I've seen LeBlanc go 5/0 in lane and lose the game, and this kinda thing happens often. You should try not banning her and see this for yourself.
Anyways, I would never ban her with just 3 bans. If you're looking for champs people can't play against ban Shaco.
Peanut Butter
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I'm surprised more people don't prioritize banning Nautilus.
She's not close to my top 3 bans, I pretty much only ban her when someone on my team asks for it. I might make an effort now not to ban her despite that though, now that I'm aware of the possible confirmation bias.
I would ban shaco, fiddle or nunu if any one of them actually saw enough play. They are monsters in solo queue but luckily very few people play them.
I ban him sometimes when I'm out of other high priority bans. He's also annoying but nothing close to the other top tier annoying champs.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1845931864/202336775?tab=overview
I've never felt so fortunate to win a game. I also don't think I've ever had to bail someone out as much as our adc. 2 of my 4 teammates in champ select had immediate red flags that would typically make me just dodge but I didnt feel like waiting. Our last pick said they were a smurf so we should let them jungle, and our 4th pick said "im not good at adc" then locks in draven. "smurf" has a 55% win rate in silver and a pretty typical looking match history, so i'm not buying it, and if you can't adc then for the love of god why do you lock in the hardest adc in the game. Alls well that ends well tho i guess
Also since there is 0 chance of this holding up I figured I'd share
I've never felt so fortunate to win a game. I also don't think I've ever had to bail someone out as much as our adc. 2 of my 4 teammates in champ select had immediate red flags that would typically make me just dodge but I didnt feel like waiting. Our last pick said they were a smurf so we should let them jungle, and our 4th pick said "im not good at adc" then locks in draven. "smurf" has a 55% win rate in silver and a pretty typical looking match history, so i'm not buying it, and if you can't adc then for the love of god why do you lock in the hardest adc in the game. Alls well that ends well tho i guess
Also since there is 0 chance of this holding up I figured I'd share
If I'm not playing mid, I'll sometimes ban Leblanc because I'm wary and don't trust my mid to not feed her and turn her into an absolute mid-game terror. If I'm going mid, I don't generally ban any mid champs. Right now I'm banning Sejuani, Hecarim (unless I'm top), and then asking for what people want me to ban. Ideally, these 6 would draw bans though:
- Sejuani
- Hecarim
- Cho'Gath
- Blitzcrank (I don't care how weak they make him, his grab changes games)
- Nunu
- Gragas
- Sejuani
- Hecarim
- Cho'Gath
- Blitzcrank (I don't care how weak they make him, his grab changes games)
- Nunu
- Gragas
Dreams-Visions
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Interesting to see Cho high on so many lists.
I guess I wasn't crazy a few weeks ago when I was here complaining about him and Sej as part of this tank meta bullshit. I dealt with him several times before that series of posts and he was probably one of the most obnoxious late game experiences I've ever encountered in LoL, along with Sej. To be able to deal the kind of damage he (and Sej) can output with just 1 real offensive item is ridiculous. But w/e. Nice to know I wans't off my rocker as I futilely tried to chip away at their HP bars with a 6-slotted, critting Jayce for 10 seconds while they literally 3-shot teammates.
I guess I wasn't crazy a few weeks ago when I was here complaining about him and Sej as part of this tank meta bullshit. I dealt with him several times before that series of posts and he was probably one of the most obnoxious late game experiences I've ever encountered in LoL, along with Sej. To be able to deal the kind of damage he (and Sej) can output with just 1 real offensive item is ridiculous. But w/e. Nice to know I wans't off my rocker as I futilely tried to chip away at their HP bars with a 6-slotted, critting Jayce for 10 seconds while they literally 3-shot teammates.
Cho'Gath is just supremely unfun to play against, even if you have a favorable match up against him. One lucky Q means you're also going to eat his W and R and be dead. His damage scales up so fast when he's maxing Q that you can't build MR fast enough unless you want to severely gimp your early laning. So he ends up chunking you for 1,000 HP on a single ability while you're still struggling to clear your waves because you're forced to build an Abyssal Scepter rather than getting into Luden's or Rabadon's.
Strong CC, a silence, a true damage ult (that's insanely strong), and tankiness for days.
Strong CC, a silence, a true damage ult (that's insanely strong), and tankiness for days.
We have seen him quite a bit. Not a "ton" I guess, but he's popular.
Tizoc
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Traitor.
I don't think the meta right now is especially kind to her either. Picking her into a hard engage supp is gonna be a tough matchup.
Man, I rarely see her now. She's pretty fun to play against, because she can frustrate you with such strong poke, but if you can catch her slightly out of position, you can blow her up big time. It's such a tense cat and mouse game with her.
Dreams-Visions
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Gotta play it right. If you poke a hard engager down to < half hp and keep them there, you severely gimp their desire to hard engage. You can beat hard engagers into being passive for the full early game with lane control and constant harass. If you let a hard engager hang around a lane with full hp and mana, bad things are going to happen to you.
Yeah. I prefer playing Nautilus where I can just walk around the lane like nothing, chuckling at the "poke" I'm getting, then CC the daylights out of someone for my jungler to casually walk in and kill the opponents. No cat and mouse here. Just Elephant and mouse.
It's not that bad honestly. Her laning phase is very forgiving to me compared to stuff like Nami. AD carries with long range easy return harass like Ashe are a bigger problem, but Sona is still in a good spot.
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She's in a terrible state right now in the meta. It's all about tank supports with CC and instant engage and every other support is quite frankly inferior. They really need to revert those HP nerfs and Q damage nerfs on her.
I would say that she's in a good spot for people who are very experienced with her. Anybody just trying her out is going to get annihilated and feed hard. There are lots of more forgiving supports that still perform well, such as Nautilus.
Yeah I wouldn't say she's in a shit tier or anything like that but if you pick her against a morg/soraka/lulu or something like that you'll probably have a better time. Morg can probably actually still make life hell for her.
She's kinda binary, sure. No hard engage? It's near a free lane. Hard engage? It's near a free lane for the opponents. Sure you can work around it against engage lanes like Dreams suggested but I'd much rather pick Nami since she has more options in those lanes.
Sona is pretty much an anti-Janna pick for me nowadays. If the enemies blind-pick Janna they shall regret it.
I just don't find Nautilus to be as forgiving as you guys do.
killatopak
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She was pretty popular back when DJ Sona skin released but I agree that there's less of her now.
I seldom see Lulu too so I wonder if she's still viable in the tank meta if everybody's tanky already.
Most often, I see Janna and Thresh as support.
I play Lulu at times when I think the team really needs to protect someone and peel off assassins. I think she's still good. She does decent enough against hard engage lanes and can handle stuff like Janna/Morgana/Thresh just fine.
edit: apparently Lulu is my second most played in ranked this season.
Statement: Thresh is top 3 in fun to play champions in ARAM. Going full AD is hilarious. He lays down so much damage and just controls the whole scene. In a mode that's totally not serious, it's fun to play a champ so opposite of how they should be played and watch it work.
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