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League of Legends |OT9| Stealing Abilities From Inferior MOBAs since 2009

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zkylon

zkylewd
Bad comparison, in my opinion, and if anything highlights my point.

There's still some balance space Riot can explore on lantern using sensible nerfs/changes, reducing the rank 1 range and increasing with rank for example. If Riot feels the need to go after Thresh's lantern they can. Dark Passage doesn't break the balancing on Thresh's kit.

Dark passage isn't broken, it's strong. If someone wants to argue that Thresh is broken, fine, I guess, I don't think so, but in the very least it'd be because of how the entire kit comes together and not because a single ability warps balance around it.
i mean, i get what you mean, it's similar to sona's auras in that best case scenario is so good that it makes the spell hard to balance

but imo it's wind wall has nothing to do with why yasuo got nerfed or why he was ever frustrating to play against

if anything wind wall is like the most interesting thing about playing against him, the mind games that occur around it and how it gives him some bit of utility that means he doesn't have to be ultra fed (or at least hitting his item spikes) to be relevant

like when you say things like "Riot could put the rank 5 CD of Wind Wall on a 1 minute timer and it'd still be pretty damn good. How many basic abilities could suffer that sort of nerf and still be useful?" my answer is still threshie lantern. they took out most of the shields, reduced them, they can give it more cd, and it's still gamebreaking in the bestest of ways, which is what i'd argue wind wall is too. windwall can full stop kill syndra ult, and lantern can magically create ganks and make people safely try to steal dragons and escape certain death. they're great spells imo

and wind wall can be similarly nerfed around the edges, duration can be nerfed, it can be given a certain health that scales with rank, width, cd, etc.

"Almost" is really, really generous. In a vacuum, Yasuo's wall is better than Braum's wall, full stop. Braums soaks damage except the first hit, Yasuo's cancels it. It's not a small difference in the least.

The test is very simple: if you get to late game (~40 mins+) but have Braum and Yasuo kept their respective walls at rank 1, which is more useful? It's not debatable. The fact that Braum has to rank his wall second starting mid-game in order for it to be good come late game is all that needs to be considered.
i mean he maxes it second cos it's by far better than maxing that dash armor thingie.

but braum's a similar case, he got other parts of his kit nerfed while his wall remained mostly untouched

and like braum wall is super annoying too, try playing nami against that asshole lol

I have 176500 ip, enough to buy 28 full price chanpions.
lol wth

don't you buy all the icons or something you crazy man?

lee sin

lee sin everywhere
i mean, now it's like shyvana with like 40% pickrate or whatever. earlier this season it was gragas and nidalee and sejuani

and in s4 there was still j4, eve, elise (i think? forgot), etc. lee sin every game but there was always a rammus or amumu or whatever running around
 

killatopak

Gold Member
Mine.

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don't tell me you also have 20 rune pages?
 

Opiate

Member
I have about 70 champions. I stopped buying them some time ago (with an occasional exception) because I already have more champions than I can reasonably play, and most of the remaining ones don't interest me very much.

If I played 2 games a day on average (which is generous, as obviously I go days without playing sometimes) and played a different champion in each game (again, generous), it would take me more than a month just to play through my current roster once. Now add another 40 champions and it would take me closer to 2 months.

If there is some particular champion I decide I really like and definitely want to play, then I buy it, sure. But I've already mostly done that. Spending the IP just doesn't serve any practical purpose for me.

Edit: I have 17 runepages and most but not all runes. The only runes I don't own are played by nobody. I could proooobably finish the whole set of champions if I just blew all my IP all at once, but I'm not sure of that.
 

zkylon

zkylewd
why would u buy all the champions and force yourself to get like eve on arams

i generally hover like the 20k ip mark and have like maybe 60 champions? forget, but i have all the fun midlaners and most adcs and most supports. 17 runepages with like lots of runes too, tho mostly midlane oriented

and ive been playing for like at least 3 years?

i generally play a few sr games a day but i go through weeks of rage quitting the game entirely and often miss many league nights because of work stuff and other crap.

Mine.

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don't tell me you also have 20 rune pages?
haha the sad reality of just reaching lvl 30

it piles up, you'll learn
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
"Almost" is really, really generous. In a vacuum, Yasuo's wall is better than Braum's wall, full stop. Braums soaks damage except the first hit, Yasuo's cancels it. It's not a small difference in the least.

The test is very simple: if you get to late game (~40 mins+) but have Braum and Yasuo kept their respective walls at rank 1, which is more useful? It's not debatable. The fact that Braum has to rank his wall second starting mid-game in order for it to be good come late game is all that needs to be considered.
I mean, I don't think you can really compare things like this. Braum maxes shield because it's tied to his core design. Wind Wall does not define Yasuo, it's just a tool in his kit. They are good for different reasons. Braum's shield is ideal for a tank looking to soak damage for his team, because him being able to move means the protection he can provide is more exact. Yasuo is an assassin, so he is looking to negate all incoming damage even if that means the ability is less versatile. It's a tool to delay a fight until an opening appears for Yasuo to attack.
 

Opiate

Member
A control tool for an assassin specialist is less useful than a control tool for a control specialist.

As such, a good control tool for someone who is already good at control can be more useful than an excellent control tool for someone who isn't really there to control the fight in the first place.

And vice versa, of course.
 

Pancakes

hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
Buying all the champs is overrated.

Source: guy who bought all the champs.
 

Nekofrog

Banned
don't buy all the champs just to have them

you'll end up like me and have to play tryndamere in an aram once every 4 months

its not worth it man
 

MultiCore

Member
I have all but 5 champs, and I think it's nice to have access to them because you never know who's gonna get a buff and become a superpower overnight.

It does make ARAM annoying sometimes, but it also helps you stretch out of your comfort zone too.
 

killatopak

Gold Member
A friend of mine just bought an account. Isn't that stuff super shady?

I'm guessing she'll get the ban hammer soon
I don't think she will unless she says she bought one on an official forum or in game and someone reports her.

What's the deal with having a lot of champions and having problems in aram? (I only play SR).
 
A friend of mine just bought an account. Isn't that stuff super shady?

I'm guessing she'll get the ban hammer soon

Only if:
The original account owner tries to reclaim the account
Or
Riot notices through whatever algorithm they use to spot ip/playstyle differences.
 

Fracas

#fuckonami
Oh I thought it was super easy for riot to find bought accounts

I remember NB3 getting his banned on stream and it was hilarious
 

zkylon

zkylewd
i don't like jayce, he's ad, he's poke and he barely has any fun spells

and he's an ugly dude

at least if you're not a girl be cool like yasuo or have a cool cane like viktor or be a badass bird person if you're like azir

meh

A friend of mine just bought an account. Isn't that stuff super shady?

I'm guessing she'll get the ban hammer soon
duno if soon, but she might, specially if it's a ranked account

but i think most ppl get away with eet
 

xezuru

Member
Oh god, I want to buy Brand as support so bad, but I don't want to all in my IP to forward ruining my life.
... That 2s stun tho.
 

Sande

Member
Someone just decided to duo with their beginner brother in a normal game. I'm talking about "struggles in a beginner bot game" bad here. It was literally worse than the game being 4v5. Funnily enough we would have probably won the game if our mid hadn't sucked as well.
 
Being forced into
Zyra
mid :(

alltheducks - EUW for anyone on this side of the world who wants to see me fail and get demoted to Gold
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So they added music and a new comendator telling when a tower or dragon is destroyed like heroes, ok good, quite surprising but okay.

I got mad when DJ Sona (red one) music crash with the new music making the music go mute. Is the comendator and pirate music going to be permanent or something?

The UI is kinda clutered but I guess its only a matter of getting comfortable with the changes
 

Leezard

Member
So they added music and a new comendator telling when a tower or dragon is destroyed like heroes, ok good, quite surprising but okay.

I got mad when DJ Sona (red one) music crash with the new music making the music go mute. Is the comendator and pirate music going to be permanent or something?

The UI is kinda clutered but I guess its only a matter of getting comfortable with the changes

It's just for the duration of the bilgewater event, which could be like two or three weeks tops. It will most likely be gone next patch.
 

Calvero

Banned
So they added music and a new comendator telling when a tower or dragon is destroyed like heroes, ok good, quite surprising but okay.

I got mad when DJ Sona (red one) music crash with the new music making the music go mute. Is the comendator and pirate music going to be permanent or something?

The UI is kinda clutered but I guess its only a matter of getting comfortable with the changes

when I played a match a couple of days ago it was tripping me out. haha it was all my team was talking about
 

drawkcaB

Member
I mean, I don't think you can really compare things like this.

To be fair, I didn't originally bring up the comparison. I think it was zkylon who kick started the comparison.

I wrote "in a vacuum" purposefully because as you point when you look at the kits holistically you see why the walls are the way they are for each champion but that just ends up muddying things when we're trying to make apples-to-apples comparisons.

Any rate, the original discussion was which basic ability is the most broken and I still think it's Wind Wall. Braum's Wall doesn't really enter that conversation at all, really. Its balance points and fit into Braum's kit are healthy, as is Braum's kit overall, but that's a whole other unexciting discussion.

Being forced into
Zyra
mid :

The same Zyra mid who has an above average win rate and is among the top 5 in damage dealt as a mid? There's much, much worse role/champion combinations to be forced into.
 
Tahm has become my new favorite support to hate playing against down bottom, so this felt pretty damn good last night. Kind of funny since Archaic is a friend of mine who is pretty decent, but we're on completely different brainwaves when it comes to strategy and such. We'd played a few games ADC/Support together prior, and did awful. Then I got paired with this stranger playing Vayne, and we just clicked. Felt good, considering my losing streak.

 

Nekofrog

Banned
I have a 27 inch G Synch 144hz monitor waiting for me at home. It's going to be weird not playing on a 42 inch TV 2 feet away from my face...


it wasnt the subject of the picture but this is the only picture I have of it. You can see the giant TV on the left at a tiny 23" monitor to the right... let's see if I can downsize my game.
 

Calvero

Banned
I have a 27 inch G Synch 144hz monitor waiting for me at home. It's going to be weird not playing on a 42 inch TV 2 feet away from my face...



it wasnt the subject of the picture but this is the only picture I have of it. You can see the giant TV on the left at a tiny 23" monitor to the right... let's see if I can downsize my game.

stealth brag? >.> i'm so jealous :(
 
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