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Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII |OT| Toriyama's Bizarre Adventure
- Thread starter Kagari
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PshycoNinja
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Well like he said Spoony is pretty nitpicky in part one and two but he deals with it. It's part 3,4,5 and 6 where he brings up some great points and in those parts constantly refers to the data logs.
Square2015
Member
How did Cocoon come about anyways? Maybe my memory fails me but did we ever get the details on that?
Ganon Dragmire
Member
Lindzei took pieces of the land, Gran Pulse, to make it and invited humans to live there.
Square2015
Member
Oh......thanks...um where did we learn this? Lol
Ganon Dragmire
Member
Datalog, but Bart does tell you that it was made and what for in the game.
Hmmm...I know I ordered the Collector's Edition of Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, with 2 day shipping. Still no shipping confirmation email. Should I be concerned? btw, I got the order confirmation and my credit card was charged. It's just the shipping/tracking number email, I still don't have.
ShinMaruku
Member
I will come out here and rank this better than 13 and 13-2 (That battle system killed the games for me) the story is eeeeehhh but it's Square it's not often they hit a story well it's the theme that move me and this was off in that too.
It's Digital River. You should always be concerned.
Even if you get shipping confirmation.
I got my shipment notice from SE and it randomly mentioned something about a $19.99 discount, yet nowhere can I see that a discount was applied and the total is still the same. Whatevs SE, whatevs.
Anyway, despite probably knowing better, I'm actually really looking forward to this game. Lightning is the worst but I get to see Fang and Noel again so that's good enough for me. And the Cloud costume too. I fell for that -- hook, line and sinker.
Anyway, despite probably knowing better, I'm actually really looking forward to this game. Lightning is the worst but I get to see Fang and Noel again so that's good enough for me. And the Cloud costume too. I fell for that -- hook, line and sinker.
*gulp* well, I'll find out in 3 days (since the game releases on the 11th)
Mistwalker
Member
Just want to say: I'm really glad Kagari went with a straight-up informative OT. The cards will fall where they may afterward.Damn it, Kagari. You had a shot to pull off a Shit Mountain style OP and you blew it.
If a title is genuinely unwanted or trash, well...it'll be torn to pieces in short order anyway.
As someone who prefers story and narrative over all, including gameplay when it comes down to it, I was surprised how much I enjoyed the combat mechanics of LR--it was actually a blast to play for me. Sadly the way the game is set up, along with its often mediocre writing, hampers the whole experience. At least I can't call it disappointing as I felt similar playing through XIII and XIII-2.
I wonder how the English voice acting is, all the preview clips have been shockingly bad.
Ganon Dragmire
Member
Great for both!....and those PSN cards heh
Don't know what SE was thinking releasing these games on top of each other.
Caffeine
Gold Member
another lightning trilogy you say ! im sure Toriyama would be down
im sure he has much more fan fiction to bless us with.sorry already payed for on psn
Oh man, I just got this.Everytime.
Would return again! Actually I think I just gave it to amazon for some gift card credit. Worth it.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Having difficulties comprehending how the story was conceived the way it's become? Here's an easy solution to your problems:
God damn, to get prepped for this game I just started watching PokeCapn's and KFJ's LP (the guys who did the internet-famous Sonic 2006 LP) of FFXIII-2 and started reading about the mythos and lore of the FFXIII series.
All I have to say is: How in the fuck did no one at SE think this was convoluted and confusing? I literally feel like I've lost my will to play the game just reading it all, and I only read about the different fal'cie to understand their motives.
All I have to say is: How in the fuck did no one at SE think this was convoluted and confusing? I literally feel like I've lost my will to play the game just reading it all, and I only read about the different fal'cie to understand their motives.
People saving up to dress up Lightning obviously. Are there any indication of how much DLC this game is gonna receive?
Ganon Dragmire
Member
Zeigfried, Cloud, Aerith, Yuna, Yuna x-2, Lovely Moogle Style, Holy Asgard, Ultimate Liberator lara croft, 7 samurai and the XIII and XIII-2 outfits if you have the saves
am i missing any?
am i missing any?
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I'm pretty sure they're already working on the next main entry, probably XVI or XV-2. Kitase is a big actor in S-E and Toriyama's seems to keep having a certain support by higher-ups. They're story is not finished yet.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
Another man's trash is another man's treasure!
Sorry, I just had to say that!
Kidding aside, I think it'll still be fun. I can have fun but still complain about it in forums!
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Man I can't wait for the game to release, it's months we just get to read comments from 3 players that didn't like the import version (and it was expected from the moment that they also didn't like XIII and XIII-2). You jump in the DEMO thread and mostly are positive comments from newcomers, while here there's still too much negativity coming from the usual people.
6 days for Europe. Just 6 days and I'll be louder than ever regarding what's actually GOOD about this game and not just what's BAD
Toriyama needs his Knight. And I'm willing to play the role!
6 days for Europe. Just 6 days and I'll be louder than ever regarding what's actually GOOD about this game and not just what's BAD
Toriyama needs his Knight. And I'm willing to play the role!
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
FFXIII's story was pretty simple and straightforward, focusing on the stories of the main characters only and their inner fights. One of the simpliest stories in the franchise without huge robots coming from the sea destroying cities and meteors falling and get blocked by magic from the living earth. There were 6 humans, and they had to save their home. That's it. Pretty simple. All the rest is background for making the world/lore richer than what it appears.
XIII-2 got more convoluted, mostly because it introduced time-travel and when they do that in a jRPG, things get crazy. But as a jRPG player I confess, that's usually what's typical of the genre and so didn't caught me unprepared. If you follow carefully the plot, you understand most of it without further reads. But again, it's what makes jRPGs unique compared to RPGs, less linear and boring stories but crazy shit is expected to happen at a certain point. They're fun because of this.
As for LR: FFXIII, I still have to play it... but it seems very fun where the plot's going, I love the idea of one hero being used by a God by false promises of bringing forth miracles
There's also this "Art of War" costume. I also meant from a story perspective. Everything is wrapped up and there isn't anything else to be explored?
Maybe a Animal House style ending DLC?
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
This is kinda interesting, for now Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII is rated better by japanese players than both XIII-2 and XIII giving its scores on mk2, a site that collets japanese opinions on recent games released. For comparisons:
Based on this LR is the best in the trilogy by a large margin.
Based on this LR is the best in the trilogy by a large margin.
tiggerkiddo
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I'm not sure I would call XIII a simple story. The first Final Fantasy had a trivally simple story.
SirNinja
Member
Not true. OXM (-3.5%), GamesTM (-7.4%), and especially Gamekult (-14.3%) all issue scores below that of the average critic. Only GameInformer gives higher-than-average scores, and they do so by a measly 0.6%.
Just because you personally didn't like the game does not mean publications who scored it higher than you would have are "on the high end" of reviewers.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
CountBlack
Member
I'm going to be that guy.
Is there any difference between the 360 version and PS3 version? Is there a reason I should get one over the other?
I got FFXIII for the PS3 and FFXIII-2 for the 360, don't know which to get it on this time around.
Is there any difference between the 360 version and PS3 version? Is there a reason I should get one over the other?
I got FFXIII for the PS3 and FFXIII-2 for the 360, don't know which to get it on this time around.
Frostinferno
Member
Did you like Lightning's look better in XIII or XIII-2? Get it on the same system as that game for the bonus outfit.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
And I noticed just now that on amazon.co.jp it gets similar results from the votes of the community. My suspects were right, for XIII "fans" (that means, the only probably that bought this last entry in Japan) LR: FFXIII is the best entry in the trilogy. That's why I was never interested in the opinion of those people that never liked the series yet forced themselves in buying one last chapter. I always wanted opinions from people that actually bought the game because they loved the first two, same case as me. Now finding out that for them this is better than the previous two is what I was looking for. I can now expect an epic closure to one of my favorite series in the "series" (lol) and dismiss anything and anyone saying the contrary. For Toriyama, for Lightning, for myself!
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I played the japanese final version and I got both outfits from PAL saves.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
So yeah, after spending 30+ hours with the demo I pretty much acknowledged a lot of things. I know all of this is pretty much known already for the people who have played the retail game but it's good info for those who haven't seen much of the game.
- Blocking at the same moment as the enemy hits gives you a "perfect block". It reduces the damage taken by 100% if it's a melee hit, and gives your enemy a debuff (Debrave, Defaith, etc, depending on the enemies weakness). If you perfect block magic attacks, 90% of the damage will be reduced and the enemy will -not- get a debuff.
- By spamming the block button, you'll be pretty much guaranteed to perform a perfect block. However note that your ATB gauge on that specific paradigm will go down the drain really fast.
- If perfect blocking isn't your thing and you want to stick with the regular block, make sure to block with the paradigm that has the most block stat. Trust me, it makes a huge difference (for example: blocking with the blackmage deals 250 damage while blocking with the heartstealer deals 40 damage). Imagine the numbers you'll be mitigating when the enemy hits you for 5000+.
- The final attack in the combo, be it through regular attacks or magic casting is almost never worth it, because they take way too long time. Experiment with your abilities and figure out how many button presses you need to press for it to become the final attack. Just before the last attack, cancel out of the combo and switch paradigm. You'll gain tons of more ATB and you'll get more dps throughout the entire thing.
- ATB recharges faster with a specific paradigm if you're not currently using it.
- Performing a perfect evade/roll recharges your ATB with 80% of the initial evade cost. It's always a good idea to try perfect evading in order to get the max out of your ATB, which essentially is your battle tempo.
- I figured out that having block/roll/any-defensive-move on one button (for example, circle) is A LOT easier for the brain to acknowledge that you need to go into some sort of defensive maneuver. You'll be paradigm switching very often in this game, and by having the defensive stuff on one button, you'll adapt to it much quicker.
I got plenty of other stuff in my mind but I've got to do other stuff for now :lol
- Blocking at the same moment as the enemy hits gives you a "perfect block". It reduces the damage taken by 100% if it's a melee hit, and gives your enemy a debuff (Debrave, Defaith, etc, depending on the enemies weakness). If you perfect block magic attacks, 90% of the damage will be reduced and the enemy will -not- get a debuff.
- By spamming the block button, you'll be pretty much guaranteed to perform a perfect block. However note that your ATB gauge on that specific paradigm will go down the drain really fast.
- If perfect blocking isn't your thing and you want to stick with the regular block, make sure to block with the paradigm that has the most block stat. Trust me, it makes a huge difference (for example: blocking with the blackmage deals 250 damage while blocking with the heartstealer deals 40 damage). Imagine the numbers you'll be mitigating when the enemy hits you for 5000+.
- The final attack in the combo, be it through regular attacks or magic casting is almost never worth it, because they take way too long time. Experiment with your abilities and figure out how many button presses you need to press for it to become the final attack. Just before the last attack, cancel out of the combo and switch paradigm. You'll gain tons of more ATB and you'll get more dps throughout the entire thing.
- ATB recharges faster with a specific paradigm if you're not currently using it.
- Performing a perfect evade/roll recharges your ATB with 80% of the initial evade cost. It's always a good idea to try perfect evading in order to get the max out of your ATB, which essentially is your battle tempo.
- I figured out that having block/roll/any-defensive-move on one button (for example, circle) is A LOT easier for the brain to acknowledge that you need to go into some sort of defensive maneuver. You'll be paradigm switching very often in this game, and by having the defensive stuff on one button, you'll adapt to it much quicker.
I got plenty of other stuff in my mind but I've got to do other stuff for now :lol
Chance Hale
Member
The opening CG in the demo is so good, although the bit where Lighting is lit by lightning is so much more absurd than I could have imagined from the gif.
Dalibor_San
Member
Finall Fantasy XIII-2 was utter crap,story was even worse, gameplay I never had an issue with however after Final Fantasy XIII I was fed up with it.
I'll get Final Fantasy XIII-Returns when it hits rock bottom price of 15-20 dollars, I wont have to wait long if Final Fantasy XIII-2 was any indication.
You're missing the part where it says FFXIII was reviewed by 449 players, XIII-2 by 66 and LR by only 21...
Wait what?
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
But that's normal, it's equal to the amount of sales dropping with each iteration. Same happens on amazon, with 3k for XIII and 400 for LR: FFXIII. Doesn't change a thing, it actually reinforce the fact that the people that bought LR, or most of them, are fans of the series and are rating this very high. That's all I wanted to hear from fans like me. I'm not here to listen to an hater of XIII saying to me XIII is a shit. An opinion that will never click with me. I need people I can trust that have same opinions of mine in regards to this.
My guess is they're going to go into FFX-3, considering Toriyama directed X-2 and they're hinting at X-3 pretty damn hard.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Oh yeah I forgot about that, probably they're more busy on X-3 than anything else. Hopefully for PS4/360 though.
Perfo, it doesn't reinforce a thing. How can you know that the fans who are rating LR highly didn't rate FFXIII/-2 even higher, but the average was then dragged down by the much higher number of people rating and disliking the previous games?
If most reviewers hover on a 5-10 spectrum of scoring instead of a 0-10 spectrum of scoring, then yes, those reviewers are usually on the "high end" because they normally score 8 and above. The statistics you provided are favored with the fact that that's exactly what most major reviewing sites do. When a game receives a 7 out of 10, you pretty much know that's the non-offensive, safe territory score. It looks good in theory but only without knowledge of how majority of reviews don't use the full scale.
This is the worst kind of thinking, isn't it? Seeking reviews that affirm your own views, rather than to look across the field objectively. Reminds me of Tea Partiers in America.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I don't think you'll ever ask your friend about the next star wars movie if that friend of your doesn't like star wars to begin with. Right?