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[Michael F. Assbender]

That magic would be lost if you had seen the movies later and not when they were originally released...

Rubbish. I saw the full original trilogy for the first time later in life and TPA was still a hugely rewarding experience that made me smile and gave me goosebumps (both in the theater and when I rewatched it at home).

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

If you took ANH and put it into a machine that aged it 40 years and accounted for all trends (good or bad) that happened to cinema in that time. the result would be TFA.

It was modern Star Wars.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

I didn't hate The Phantom Manace until after Attack of the Clones. I knew it wasn't good, but I thought maybe he was just awkwardly laying a bunch of track for the next movie. I was bullshit after AOTC though.

Lets see what fans have in store for Episode VIII. Could be another AotC type situation here with TFA to VIII

Rubbish. I saw the full original trilogy for the first time later in life and TPA was still a hugely rewarding experience that made me smile and gave me goosebumps (both in the theater and when I rewatched it at home).

Well, good for you? Because in my case, I watched it after I was done with the prequels and while I enjoyed seeing Han Solo again, there wasn't that much of a nostalgic feeling for me, more like Deja Vu.

 

[ClosingADoor]

This here is what separates me from the rest of you.

For many years, I thought that Episode VII would be a leap forward for this universe. I imagined a story in which the roles were reversed, with the Republic on top, and the Empire in ruins. The Jedi Order would be fully restored as well, thanks to the actions of Luke and company. From the moment ROTJ ended, this was what I expected. It always seemed like the most logical and natural way to continue the story.

I thought we'd see radically new designs, a new-looking world that still felt familiar at a deeper level. I was expecting and *wanting* something new.

That is obviously not what we got, and the fact that so many plot elements resembled Episode IV did not sit well with me. When I see TFA, I always wonder as to what we could have gotten.

I agree that I had hoped for a bit more new stuff, instead of X-Wings and the Millennium Falcon again. But I think the story itself is fine.

I also can't see how you rebuilt a Jedi Order with basically 1 guy who has been trained for a few months. No way Luke could do more then just train a dozen people or so. Seems like he tried and failed with Kylo. Or maybe you mean a time jump like a 1000 years forward, but then you would lose all connection with the other movies.

 

[PerezDeCorcho]

I agree that I had hoped for a bit more new stuff, instead of X-Wings and the Millennium Falcon again. But I think the story itself is fine.

I also can't see how you rebuilt a Jedi Order with basically 1 guy who has been trained for a few months. No way Luke could do more then just train a dozen people or so. Seems like he tried and failed with Kylo.

I would rather have seen that than just mentioning that as a minor plot detail. That sounds like a much more interesting story to me.

 

[Sephzilla]

Suppress what's left of an old regime. Perhaps there are new enemies to the Republic with a respectable and sensible motive. Perhaps the Republic could start to resemble the Empire in some ways. There are many different ways to go about it. Nothing lasts forever.

I would have much rather seen that than what we got in TFA.

So you want a bad guy who's actually a good guy and you want the Republic to become the very thing it fought to destroy? *Blink* And you're complaining about TFA disrespecting the OT when this very idea would probably disrespect it more?

If you took ANH and put it into a machine that aged it 40 years and accounted for all trends (good or bad) that happened to cinema in that time. the result would be TFA.

It was modern Star Wars.

Here's one thing I noticed. A New Hope's story is very driven by its events; Empire and Jedi seem to have their stories driven more by their characters. The Force Awakens, at least to me, feels like it's driven more by characters than events as well. In a way, The Force Awakens feels like what A New Hope would have been if A New Hope was written more in the style of its sequels and/or if it was written under the knowledge that it was already going to be a trilogy

 

[ClosingADoor]

I would rather have seen that than just mentioning that as a minor plot detail. That sounds like a much more interesting story to me.

We'll probably see or at least learn more about that in the coming movies. It's a trilogy, no need to put everything in the first one. There's a new Star Wars movie coming out every year for probably the next decade or so, plenty of stories to tell and fill in the missing pieces for the fans.

In the original Star Wars we also didn't know the background of Darth Vader, who the hell the Emperor is, etc.

 

[PerezDeCorcho]

So you want a bad guy who's actually a good guy and you want the Republic to become the very thing it fought to destroy? *Blink* And you're complaining about TFA disrespecting the OT when this very idea would probably disrespect it more?

But, that's what happens to real Empires...

They achieve decadence, then fall. It would have made sense.

Does it make sense that the Empire/First Order is *apparently* in shambles in TFA, and manage to build a planet-sized superweapon that can destroy entire star systems? Does it make sense that there is still a Rebellion/Resistance?

 

[Surfinn]

I would rather have seen that than just mentioning that as a minor plot detail. That sounds like a much more interesting story to me.

That's why you should wait and see. This will be covered.. have some patience.

 

[PerezDeCorcho]

That's why you should wait and see. This will be covered.. have some patience.

It won't have the same impact in a flashback sequence that it could of had while watching it unfold in real-time...

 

[televator]

I consider TFA to be the second best SW film. Behind ESB, and ahead of ANH. It's like ANH, if it had a bigger budget and more consistent production.

 

[Sephzilla]

But, that's what happens to real Empires...

They achieve decadence, then fall. It would have made sense.

Does it make sense that the Empire/First Order is *apparently* in shambles in TFA, and manage to build a planet-sized superweapon that can destroy entire star systems? Does it make sense that their is still a Rebellion/Resistance?

Star Wars isn't real though. The Republic in Star Wars lasted thousands of years and only got toppled because George Lucas wrote all of the Republic leaders to be incompetent morons. I don't think the New Republic would topple so quickly and revert back into the Empire. Hell, it took the Empire 20 years to simply phase out the Republic. The Republic has tons of staying power.

Edit- Regarding Starkiller base. I'm sure there's probably some kind of canon comic book to contradict me or something but considering how fucking massive Starkiller Base was I'd almost have to imagine that it started off as an Imperial project that the First Order ended up inheriting and completing. It would make a lot of sense considering the Empire had a gigantic hard on for super weapons

 

[ClosingADoor]

It won't have the same impact in a flashback sequence that it could of had while watching it unfold in real-time...

Maybe it will. We don't know, we'll see in two years.

Maybe it was a huge event that will change how we look at things. I mean, learning Vader is Luke's father in the second movie had more impact then having it there right away. Putting all the info out there right away is not always the best way to tell a story.

 

[BFIB]

But, that's what happens to real Empires...

They achieve decadence, then fall. It would have made sense.

Does it make sense that the Empire/First Order is *apparently* in shambles in TFA, and manage to build a planet-sized superweapon that can destroy entire star systems? Does it make sense that their is still a Rebellion/Resistance?

That is starting to get covered in the novels that are cannon. The Empire just didn't collapse, there were still fringes of the Empire still holding systems. The final battle was above Jakku. It was the Empire's last fight for survival. They lost, and the First Order was formed taking the most extreme aspects of the Empire, with one mission: to destroy the Republic, which they did in TFA. Now we essentially have what could be a galactic civil war with the Republic being destroyed. What better way to restore peace than Luke finally embracing his heritage and rebuilding an order, just as it was done before?

Mon Mothma disbanded the Army of the Republic because there was no reason to have it, or at least they thought. The Resistance was created because Mothma had no army left. It was its own thing led by General Leia.

 

[Boem]

But, that's what happens to real Empires...

They achieve decadence, then fall. It would have made sense.

Does it make sense that the Empire/First Order is *apparently* in shambles in TFA, and manage to build a planet-sized superweapon that can destroy entire star systems? Does it make sense that their is still a Rebellion/Resistance?

You know, I get that you build this movie up for a large part of your life and imagined all these things that sound cool to you, but did you honestly expect the actual creators of a new movie to follow your very specific ideas? I honestly don't think that's a healthy attitude to these things - and the chances of George Lucas specifically following your ideas if he made the movie would also be very small. (and, again, for the record, George Lucas wasn't cheated out of Star Wars - he willingly sold the franchise for 4 billion(!), and a lot of the original creators of the movie still worked on this one. Just not George).

Instead, it would probably help your own enjoyment of the upcoming movies if you just try to remain open to what the new writers/directors have to say. Honestly, they're not secretly out to destroy Star Wars. And the fact that TFA was so reminiscent of ANH (which, I agree, went too far in places) wasn't something they did by mistake or something they thought they could get away with, but a very deliberate choice. It may be a good or a bad choice (I think it's somewhere inbetween, nudging towards good), but it wasn't done out of laziness or hate towards the franchise.

And, like others have said, during the OT almost nothing about how the universe worked was explained. That was part of the appeal. The PT (and EU) tried to fill in a lot of those gaps, and I think they went too far with that because by explaining it so much it just makes the universe feel smaller. Something I think Kasdan also commented on at a time.

That's what I like about this movie. It opens up this entire new world, even if the basic framework of the story is familiar. It gives you just enough information to get your information going (like in the OT), and answers to the bigger questions will come in time. Getting an information dump at the beginning of the inner workings of the Republic etc since Jedi would just be boring, and worse, kill all sense of wonder and curiosity. It's not about the ending, it's about the journey. Not knowing everything can be far more rewarding than having everything spelled out for you.

 

[PerezDeCorcho]

That is starting to get covered in the novels that are cannon. The Empire just didn't collapse, there were still fringes of the Empire still holding systems. The final battle was above Jakku. It was the Empire's last fight for survival. They lost, and the First Order was formed taking the most extreme aspects of the Empire, with one mission: to destroy the Republic, which they did in TFA. Now we essentially have what could be a galactic civil war with the Republic being destroyed. What better way to restore peace than Luke finally embracing his heritage and rebuilding an order, just as it was done before?

Mon Mothma disbanded the Army of the Republic because there was no reason to have it, or at least they thought. The Resistance was created because Mothma had no army left. It was its own thing led by General Leia.

I don't care about the novels...

Star Wars is primarily a film franchise to me. The films should be logically consistent. One shouldn't expect the audience to indulge into the novels to make sense of the film's plot inconsistencies.

 

[TheXbox]

I don't know how you make a case for TFA being better than ANH. You may enjoy it more, that's one thing. I enjoy ROTJ more than any other Star Wars movie, but I know ANH and Empire are better. But I don't know how anyone can look at the TFA, with its shambolic second act, its cast of characters who are largely disinterested with the plot of their own movie, its leaps and lapses and painful coincidences, and call it a better movie than ANH. ANH is not only one of the most important movies ever made, it is structurally rock solid. You can't poke holes in it, you can't take away or add anything to it without detracting from the greater whole.

 

[PerezDeCorcho]

You know, I get that you build this movie up for a large part of your life and imagined all these things that sound cool to you, but did you honestly expect the actual creators of a new movie to follow your very specific ideas? I honestly don't think that's a healthy attitude to these things - and the chances of George Lucas specifically following your ideas if he made the movie would also be very small. (and, again, for the record, George Lucas wasn't cheated out of Star Wars - he willingly sold the franchise for 4 billion(!), and a lot of the original creators of the movie still worked on this one. Just not George).

Instead, it would probably help your own enjoyment of the upcoming movies if you just try to remain open to what the new writers/directors have to say. Honestly, they're not secretly out to destroy Star Wars. And the fact that TFA was so reminiscent of ANH (which, I agree, went too far in places) wasn't something they did by mistake or something they thought they could get away with, but a very deliberate choice. It may be a good or a bad choice (I think it's somewhere inbetween, nudging towards good), but it wasn't done out of laziness or hate towards the franchise.

And, like others have said, during the OT almost nothing about how the universe worked was explained. That was part of the appeal. The PT (and EU) tried to fill in a lot of those gaps, and I think they went too far with that because by explaining it so much it just makes the universe feel smaller. Something I think Kasdan also commented on at a time.

Not at all. The whole point is that I expected them to try something different. That's the most respectful thing they could have done to Star Wars. They could have taken this vast universe and created *new* stories in it. THAT would be the greatest homage to the original films that they could make.

 

[Sephzilla]

I don't know how you make a case for TFA being better than ANH. You may enjoy it more, that's one thing. I enjoy ROTJ more than any other Star Wars movie, but I know ANH and Empire are better. But I don't know how anyone can look at the TFA, with its shambolic second act, its cast of characters who are largely disinterested with the plot of their own movie, its leaps and lapses and painful coincidences, and call it a better movie than ANH. ANH is not only one of the most important movies ever made, it is structurally rock solid. You can't poke holes in it, you can't take away or add anything to it without detracting from the greater whole.

*Attempts to poke holes for the sake of being contrarian*

How come the small fleet of Rebel ships don't get caught by the Death Star's tractor beam and get slowly pulled into a bunch of docking bays? I find it seriously hard to believe that nobody turned the tractor beam back on after Obi-Wan turned it off.

/PlinkettVoice

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Pretty sure I posted this in another thread, but this is maybe a better way to break it down than simply ranking films:

The Force Awakens is the funniest
Empire Strikes Back is the scariest
Empire is the most emotional
Star Wars is the most earnest
Return of the Jedi is the silliest
Revenge of the Sith is the darkest
Force Awakens looks the best
Empire sounds the best
Empire has the best performances
Star Wars has the best moments

They could have taken this vast universe and created *new* stories in it. THAT would be the greatest homage to the original films that they could make.

I think I see your problem here. You don't know what an homage is.

 

[PerezDeCorcho]

*Attempts to poke holes for the sake of being contrarian*

How come the small fleet of Rebel ships don't get caught by the Death Star's tractor beam and get slowly pulled into a bunch of docking bays? I find it seriously hard to believe that nobody turned the tractor beam back on after Obi-Wan turned it off.

Why does everyone analyze these films through a microscope?

The characters just don't work (to me). That is the most important thing. If you can't create characters that I care about, then you have FAILED as a storyteller.

TFA's characters are simply lacking in depth. Kylo comes the closest to achieving this, but his menace is repeatedly wiped away throughout the film.

Little nitpicks can be forgiven in that case. When you think about Episode IV, how often do you think about the little nitpicks you might have?

I'd imagine close to never.

 

[Boem]

I don't know how you make a case for TFA being better than ANH. You may enjoy it more, that's one thing. I enjoy ROTJ more than any other Star Wars movie, but I know ANH and Empire are better. But I don't know how anyone can look at the TFA, with its shambolic second act, its cast of characters who are largely disinterested with the plot of their own movie, its leaps and lapses and painful coincidences, and call it a better movie than ANH. ANH is not only one of the most important movies ever made, it is structurally rock solid. You can't poke holes in it, you can't take away or add anything to it without detracting from the greater whole.

Welllll, the whole, long, comedy journey by C3P0 and R2D2 in the beginning isn't the most graceful of intro's honestly. The first scenes with Luke are some of the most Hammy scenes in the OT as well.

I mean, I love it, but I don't see it as sacred and perfect as that. Lots of great movies came out around that time, and long before it. As much as Star Wars influenced the movie industry, it wasn't the first to figure out pacing and style, as some people sometimes claim.

Why does everyone analyze these films through a microscope?

Isn't that just what you did in that thread you posted earlier?

As for character depth: none of the Star Wars movies have any real depth, in that sense. The beauty of the OT lies in it's simplicity, and that's what (as I explained earlier) is where the PT went totally wrong. Compare Han's 'I love you' - 'I know' scene with the endless terrible love dialogues in episode 2. A look can do so much more than the endless, hamfisted dialogue of the PT. That's what TFA tried to do (and succeeded in). Simple archetypes, full of personality of their own. Personality doesn't come from long monologues explaining their backstory, it comes how the characters actually act. The force interrogation scene between Ray and Kylo shows that very well (and also that you can do much more interesting things with the Force than the CG stunts from the PT).

 

[PerezDeCorcho]

Welllll, the whole, long, comedy journey by C3P0 and R2D2 in the beginning isn't the most graceful of intro's honestly. The first scenes with Luke are some of the most Hammy scenes in the OT as well.

I mean, I love it, but I don't see it as sacred and perfect as that. Lots of great movies came out around that time, and long before it. As much as Star Wars influenced the movie industry, it wasn't the first to figure out pacing and style, as some people sometimes claim.



Isn't that just what you did in that thread you posted earlier?

That thread pointed out extrinsic inconsistencies between films. And for the nitpicks that I did touch on, are they really even nitpicks?

For instance, is Rey flying the Falcon with no experience really a nitpick? That's outright unbelievable and I noticed it upon first viewing. It was blatant. And that's just one example...

 

[old manatee]

Anytime someone tries to claim that A New Hope is perfect I just picture the big boner that Luke is carrying for his

Spoiler

sister

through the whole movie. It's one of the most charming things about the OT and it definitely wasn't intentional. The ships are made out of popsicle sticks and the character back stories weren't written until the sequel.

 

[Sephzilla]

Why does everyone analyze these films through a microscope?

....But that's what you're doing with TFA?

Kylo comes the closest to achieving this, but his menace is repeatedly wiped away throughout the film.

That's the point! Kylo Ren's character is supposed to be menacing at surface level but the deeper you go the more you realize he's not that scary and most of his intimidating stuff is merely a front.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Why does everyone analyze these films through a microscope?

The characters just don't work (to me). That is the most important thing. If you can't create characters that I care about, then you have FAILED as a storyteller.

TFA's characters are simply lacking in depth. Kylo comes the closest to achieving this, but his menace is repeatedly wiped away throughout the film.

Little nitpicks can be forgiven in that case. When you think about Episode IV, how often do you think about the little nitpicks you might have?

I'd imagine close to never.

That's literally what you've been trying to do to TFA since it came out.

Is this some elaborate troll you've duped us all into?

 

[Vagabundo]

Is this the sound you make as you go slack and melt into the seat for a fun evening of brainlessness?

Seriously (ish) though, I don't see "I prefer the prequels because I don't have to think" as being an endorsement for either the prequels or watching movies in general.

It's more a method in how to enjoy the prequels. Enjoying the Star Wars vibe, light saber duels, force powers, music, aliens, droids, and setting is something I can do while shutting down my higher functions.

Nobody is pretending that they are high cinema. I doubt many people watch them for the convoluted plot. For me they are films I can watch with my kid and wife while eating a Sunday dinner, and chat when the plot bits are happening in the background.

 

[PerezDeCorcho]

Anytime someone tries to claim that A New Hope is perfect I just picture the big boner that Luke is carrying for his

Spoiler

sister

through the whole movie.

You don't even know that within the context of that particular film...

That's a development that doesn't come until later.

 

[Boem]

That thread pointed out extrinsic inconsistencies between films. And for the nitpicks that I did touch on, are they really even nitpicks?

For instance, is Rey flying the Falcon with no experience really a nitpick? That's outright unbelievable and I noticed it upon first viewing. It was blatant. And that's just one example...

She did have experience flying the Falcon. It's right there in the dialogue. Something about arguing with the previous owner about something he did with the hyperdrive. Don't remember the dialogue exactly, but it's in the film.

Also, even if that dialogue wasn't there, I wouldn't call it a plot hole. The scene with Solo commenting on her skills illustrates that - these are movies in the tone of Indiana Jones, not hard science fiction. They're adventure flicks, part of the charm is seeing these seemingly normal characters escape against overwhelming odds. It's the type of movie comedy Spielberg and Lucas have been making since the 70s.

 

[Ushojax]

That thread pointed out extrinsic inconsistencies between films. And for the nitpicks that I did touch on, are they really even nitpicks?

For instance, is Rey flying the Falcon with no experience really a nitpick? That's outright unbelievable and I noticed it upon first viewing. It was blatant. And that's just one example...

Did it bother you that Luke was able to use the Force to guide a proton torpedo down a rat sized hole in the middle of a moon-sized space station after 5 minutes of training with Obi-Wan?

Rey can fly the Falcon because she is the hero in a Star Wars movie. It doesn't need to be explained, just like her being able to fight with the staff doesn't need to be explained. Presumably in her years of fending for herself, she learned how to pilot a ship.

 

[Sephzilla]

That thread pointed out extrinsic inconsistencies between films. And for the nitpicks that I did touch on, are they really even nitpicks?

For instance, is Rey flying the Falcon with no experience really a nitpick? That's outright unbelievable and I noticed it upon first viewing. It was blatant. And that's just one example...

Finn: "WE NEED A PILOT!"

Rey: "WE'VE GOT ONE"

 

[OrlanisWorks]

Atleast George Lucas tried to do something new with the prequel trilogy.

This... Is... Just... Ugh

It's like the OP is the complete opposite of me when it comes to the prequels and TFA. I mean... Darth Maul is a better villain than Kylo Ren? The Anakin and Padme love story was wooden ONLY sometimes? I can't even

I do agree that some of the prequel stuff about the action. I did love the action. Although there was barely any suspense to be had, there was a lot of fun stuff. But... I'll always feel they are terrible and are perfect examples on how a creator can absolutely fuck up his own creation.

 

[PerezDeCorcho]

That's literally what you've been trying to do to TFA since it came out.

Is this some elaborate troll you've duped us all into?

I feel that all of my criticisms pertained to obvious flaws in the film. As in, things you notice as they appear in the film during your first viewing.

 

[old manatee]

You don't even know that within the context of that particular film...

That's a development that doesn't come until later.

That's the point. You want everything to match up perfectly with some mythical idea of the old movies that you are carrying around in your head, but the truth is that the OT wasn't even consistent with itself. It's all a bunch of charming nonsense that they made up as they went.

Just like a JJ Abrams movie.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Anytime someone tries to claim that A New Hope is perfect I just picture the big boner that Luke is carrying for his

Spoiler

sister

through the whole movie. It's one of the most charming things about the OT and it definitely wasn't intentional.

This is kinda unfair though. They're not brother and sister in that movie. Hell, they're not brother and sister in Empire, either. That idea wasn't even arrived at until the writing of Jedi.

Vader isn't Luke's dad in Star Wars, either.

But you gotta be willing to watch/consume the movies primarily in the context of their release to view 'em like that, which is honestly kinda weird at this point in time.

But I'm weird!

edit: Saw your follow up, and yeah, you get it. Good stuff.

It's more a method in how to enjoy the prequels.

I get what you're saying, I'm just suggesting that temporary self-applied lobotomy is a bad way to watch movies, period. Or rather, I'd avoid watching/rewatching films that necessitate such an action before entering the theater/hitting play on the blu-ray.

 

[PerezDeCorcho]

Finn: "WE NEED A PILOT!"

Rey: "WE'VE GOT ONE"

....what?

Given the context, that could be ANYONE.

 

[Sephzilla]

....what?

Given the context, that could be ANYONE.

You've got to be kidding me right now. She's making this statement to Finn and BB8 and there's nobody else even close to them and she even makes a gesture indicating herself. Did you sleep walk through this movie?

Here. Watch this clip

 

[Boem]

....what?

Given the context, that could be ANYONE.

Like I said earlier - later dialogue in the Falcon explains that she worked with that alien owner (honestly don't remember his name) on the ship, and argued with him because he messed it up.

It's all explained, even though it didn't even need to be.

 

[PerezDeCorcho]

That's the point. You want everything to match up perfectly with some mythical idea of the old movies that you are carrying around in your head, but the truth is that the OT wasn't even consistent with itself. It's all a bunch of charming nonsense that they made up as they went.

Just like a JJ Abrams movie.

Oh, jesus christ...

 

[old manatee]

Oh, jesus christ...

The biggest plot reveal of the entire series is a retcon..

 

[Boem]

I hope all of you guys are having as much fun in this thread as I am btw. This is seriously making my otherwise extremely boring workshift much more entertaining.

 

[Jito]

....what?

Given the context, that could be ANYONE.

You were confused by what was happening in that scene? Actually thinking she was referring to another pilot? Oh jeez.

 

[PerezDeCorcho]

Like I said earlier - later dialogue in the Falcon explains that she worked with that alien owner (honestly don't remember his name) on the ship, and argued with him because he messed it up.

It's all explained, even though it didn't even need to be.

Something so simple could be explained with:

"Yeah, Finn. I used to pilot things back in the day when this this and that happened."

That's all I would have needed to know. That's all it would have taken.

When I heard "WE'VE GOT ONE!", I literally thought she was referring to a third party (which doesn't make much sense in itself). Way too vague. Just say you're a fucking pilot.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

I wonder if the love act between Padme and Anakin was also something that Lucas made up in AotC. The age difference just doesn't make sense to me, but maybe it isn't as weird in the Star Wars universe. Has anyone got their exact age?

 

[Boem]

Something so simple could be explained with:

"Yeah, Finn. I used to pilot things back in the day when this this and that happened."

That's all I would have needed to know. That's all it would have taken.

When I heard "WE'VE GOT ONE!", I literally thought she was referring to a third party (which doesn't make much sense in itself). Way too vague.

Allow me to quote myself from just a couple of posts earlier, because the 'we've got one'-scene wasn't what I was talking about (although I don't really see how that little funny moment was so confusing):

She did have experience flying the Falcon. It's right there in the dialogue. Something about arguing with the previous owner about something he did with the hyperdrive. Don't remember the dialogue exactly, but it's in the film.

Also, even if that dialogue wasn't there, I wouldn't call it a plot hole. The scene with Solo commenting on her skills illustrates that - these are movies in the tone of Indiana Jones, not hard science fiction. They're adventure flicks, part of the charm is seeing these seemingly normal characters escape against overwhelming odds. It's the type of movie comedy Spielberg and Lucas have been making since the 70s.

It happens when Han is there, and she fixes the Falcon.

 

[Sephzilla]

Something so simple could be explained with:

"Yeah, Finn. I used to pilot things back in the day when this this and that happened."

That's all I would have needed to know. That's all it would have taken.

When I heard "WE'VE GOT ONE!", I literally thought she was referring to a third party (which doesn't make much sense in itself). Way too vague.

The movie does more than enough to establish that Rey is experienced with ships.

• She's familiar with the layout and mechanics of a Star Destroyer. This is how she's able to scrap parts to survive. She's clearly not just grabbing random parts otherwise she wouldn't be deep into a Star Destroyer looking at a very specific and isolated section.
• She has a rebel pilot helmet and a hand made rebel pilot doll in her home, showing us she has some fascination with pilots
• Remember that rebel helmet? Where do you think she got that. Considering she scraps Star Destroyers I bet she's scrapped an X-Wing or two as well
• When they're trying to escape she even recommends the Quadjumper over the Falcon because she feels its a better chance for escape. You don't say that type of shit unless you know a thing or two about aircraft

You thinking "WE'VE GOT ONE" referred to a third party isn't the movies fault. That's on you for simply not paying attention to a scene with 2 people, a robot, and literally nobody else in the shot.

 

[Jito]

Something so simple could be explained with:

"Yeah, Finn. I used to pilot things back in the day when this this and that happened."

That's all I would have needed to know. That's all it would have taken.

When I heard "WE'VE GOT ONE!", I literally thought she was referring to a third party (which doesn't make much sense in itself). Way too vague.

Not everything needs to be spelled out for the viewer, especially in a scene where it's clear what they're saying.

"Oh hey Finn, it's me Rey, the girl you just meant a few minutes ago, I thought I'd remind you of my name in case you'd forgot. I can pilot ships, space ships that is, not pirate ships, I'm not a pirate but I can fly space ships. In space that is in case you'd forgotten. In turn this makes me a pilot which is exactly what we need right now, to fly that ship away from this danger."

 

[Roders5]

Something so simple could be explained with:

"Yeah, Finn. I used to pilot things back in the day when this this and that happened."

That's all I would have needed to know. That's all it would have taken.

When I heard "WE'VE GOT ONE!", I literally thought she was referring to a third party (which doesn't make much sense in itself). Way too vague. Just say you're a fucking pilot.

There's no way this is for real

 

[QuantumZebra]

Why does everyone analyze these films through a microscope?

The characters just don't work (to me). That is the most important thing. If you can't create characters that I care about, then you have FAILED as a storyteller.

TFA's characters are simply lacking in depth. Kylo comes the closest to achieving this, but his menace is repeatedly wiped away throughout the film.

Little nitpicks can be forgiven in that case. When you think about Episode IV, how often do you think about the little nitpicks you might have?

I'd imagine close to never.

1. TFA's characters are the Mariana trench compared to the PT and a lot of characters in the OT

2. From the moment Luke starts whining about power converters

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Don't you get it? The stuff you're saying can literally be turned around and applied right back to the OT (and ESPECIALLY the PT).

You don't have an actual argument here other than bashing TFA with the same criticisms that could be leveled at the rest of the saga.

Not everything needs to be spelled out for the viewer, especially in a scene where it's clear what they're saying.

"Oh hey Finn, it's me Rey, the girl you just meant a few minutes ago, I thought I'd remind you of my name in case you'd forgot. I can pilot ships, space ships that is, not pirate ships, I'm not a pirate but I can fly space ships. In space that is in case you'd forgotten. In turn this makes me a pilot which is exactly what we need right now, to fly that ship away from this danger."

Exactly! If only she had of stopped while they were getting attacked by a TIE squadron to explain why and how she is a pilot then the whole movie would have made sense! Sheesh!

Spoiler

wtf is going on

....what?

Given the context, that could be ANYONE.

For all your criticisms of TFA I'm starting to think you haven't even watched it.

There is literally no context where she isn't talking about herself. Wtf are you even saying.

 

[Surfinn]

It won't have the same impact in a flashback sequence that it could of had while watching it unfold in real-time...

Really? Please tell me more about how this plays out in EP8/9.

The problem with your posts is that you're making a shitton of assumptions and jumping to conclusions before we even have the slightest inkling of what the next two films will bring.