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[jph139]

Yeah, but if you think more than 1% of Immortal is ever going to be put on screen, you're a lot more optimistic than I am. If his MCU role ever gets more ambitious than Chinatown and the occasional K'un-Lun flashback I'll be shocked - and in that context, he is 100% the white guy at the top of an otherwise Asian hierarchy.

 

[duckroll]

"The context of Iron Fist" isn't set in stone. This isn't a true story. It can be manipulated any possible way. General minority representation is the issue I am talking about. The MCU has no obligation to adhere to the comics 100%.

Change his ethnicity and he can remain an outsider.

Let me rephrase the question: why can't a TV Iron Fist be black?

If you're talking about general minority representation, then Luke Cage is already a black lead character in a Marvel TV series. That's one good reason why no one is really that interested in even suggesting that Iron Fist be black. Jessica Jones is a female lead character in a Marvel TV series. So that's also "covered". A Latino Iron Fist? I suppose, but let's be honest, there isn't strong campaigning for Latino representation out there. Unfortunate but true. Lots more Asians out there, so along with the Asian link with the Iron Fist setting, that's where this is coming from.

The general setting of Iron Fist is set in stone though, regardless of whether it is a true story or not. Regardless of WHO the Iron Fist is, the basics have to be there or there would be no point even calling it Iron Fist. That isn't adhering to the comics 100%, it's just simple logic. K'unlun is a mystic Asian city, the native characters are Asian. The titles in the city are based on Chinese mythology and naming conventions. As such, the series has a strong Asian link. So it is natural for people to make an Asian connection when it comes to potentially race bending the character.

 

[Slayven]

Latino Martial artist?

 

[slightconfuse]

Hoping for fat cobra

 

[eastx]

If you're talking about general minority representation, then Luke Cage is already a black lead character in a Marvel TV series. That's one good reason why no one is really that interested in even suggesting that Iron Fist be black. Jessica Jones is a female lead character in a Marvel TV series. So that's also "covered". A Latino Iron Fist? I suppose, but let's be honest, there isn't strong campaigning for Latino representation out there. Unfortunate but true. Lots more Asians out there, so along with the Asian link with the Iron Fist setting, that's where this is coming from.

The general setting of Iron Fist is set in stone though, regardless of whether it is a true story or not. Regardless of WHO the Iron Fist is, the basics have to be there or there would be no point even calling it Iron Fist. That isn't adhering to the comics 100%, it's just simple logic. K'unlun is a mystic Asian city, the native characters are Asian. The titles in the city are based on Chinese mythology and naming conventions. As such, the series has a strong Asian link. So it is natural for people to make an Asian connection when it comes to potentially race bending the character.

Good comment.

 

[Red]

If you're talking about general minority representation, then Luke Cage is already a black lead character in a Marvel TV series. That's one good reason why no one is really that interested in even suggesting that Iron Fist be black. Jessica Jones is a female lead character in a Marvel TV series. So that's also "covered". A Latino Iron Fist? I suppose, but let's be honest, there isn't strong campaigning for Latino representation out there. Unfortunate but true. Lots more Asians out there, so along with the Asian link with the Iron Fist setting, that's where this is coming from.

The general setting of Iron Fist is set in stone though, regardless of whether it is a true story or not. Regardless of WHO the Iron Fist is, the basics have to be there or there would be no point even calling it Iron Fist. That isn't adhering to the comics 100%, it's just simple logic. K'unlun is a mystic Asian city, the native characters are Asian. The titles in the city are based on Chinese mythology and naming conventions. As such, the series has a strong Asian link. So it is natural for people to make an Asian connection when it comes to potentially race bending the character.

It wouldn't have to be a black character. [insert ethnicity here] You didn't answer the question. Forget Jessica Jones, forget Luke Cage. I'm talking specifically about what limits the choice of ethnicity for an Iron Fist character to only white or Chinese. Nothing else about the character would have to change. His origin could remain exactly the same. The conversation is weirdly limited. As if Marvel has never departed from comic book mythology.

The conversations around these characters is too reverent toward comic mythology. Marvel has already departed from the comics in significant ways. There is no reason they could not create an original Iron Fist instead of recycling comic book content.

 

[-griffy-]

It wouldn't have to be a black character. [insert ethnicity here] You didn't answer the question. Forget Jessica Jones, forget Luke Cage. I'm talking specifically about what limits the choice of ethnicity for an Iron Fist character to only white or Chinese. Nothing else about the character would have to change. His origin could remain exactly the same. The conversation is weirdly limited. As if Marvel has never departed from comic book mythology.

duckroll already explained. It's about representation. Iron Fist could be another ethnicity/race, but for numerous reasons already outlined by duckroll it makes logical sense that the conversation is largely around the character being Asian. You seem to be distorting the debate to something else, thereby distracting from the core of the discussion, whether you are intending to do so or not.

 

[Divvy]

As a Chinese Canadian, I'd really prefer it if Iron Fist wasn't white. I mean, if you're going to take and bastardize the culture for entertainment, you could at least throw us a bone and make the hero Chinese as well. Making it a show about a white dude that learns martial arts and fights Asians is the opposite of appealing to me. Sure making him a Chinese dude that knows kungfu is also pretty stereotypical, but I'd still prefer that. The idea that he's a banana type Asian-American works a lot better, and that might be the ideal situation. Well, I'll still watch it and enjoy it probably since Marvel's Netflix game is on point. But really, virtually every Marvel male lead so far has been white, it's time to diversify.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

It wouldn't have to be a black character. [insert ethnicity here] You didn't answer the question. Forget Jessica Jones, forget Luke Cage. I'm talking specifically about what limits the choice of ethnicity for an Iron Fist character to only white or Chinese. Nothing else about the character would have to change. His origin could remain exactly the same. The conversation is weirdly limited. As if Marvel has never departed from comic book mythology.

The conversations around these characters is too reverent toward comic mythology. Marvel has already departed from the comics in significant ways. There is no reason they could not create an original Iron Fist instead of recycling comic book content.

You are wrong because Randy relantioships are based on the fact he is a rich white boy. Ok, any ethnics can be rich, but changing his ethnic changes his relantionship with Cage, in example. Wouldn't work if he is another black guy. Would change even if he was asian.

Ok, you can even scrap that if you do not follow the comics, but then Iron Fist is just a guy with a glowing fist.

 

[Red]

You are wrong because Randy relantioships are based on the fact he is a rich white boy. Ok, any ethnics can be rich, but changing his ethnic changes his relantionship with Cage, in example. Wouldn't work if he is another black guy. Would change even if he was asian.

Ok, you can even scrap that if you do not follow the comics, but then Iron Fist is just a guy with a glowing fist.

The relationship doesn't have to be exactly the same as it is in the comics. A different ethnicity would allow the writers to explore new themes. They aren't bound by previous stories. Those exist on their own and remain available to revisit. Nothing would be lost by switching things up.

I'm not saying casting a white actor would be wrong. Or that casting an Asian actor would be wrong. I said as much above. But the way the fan community has dog piled the either/or choice is weird to me.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

God, I will be so happy when they have finally cast Danny and when the shitstorm has ended

 

[Black Republican]

As a Chinese Canadian, I'd really prefer it if Iron Fist wasn't white. I mean, if you're going to take and bastardize the culture for entertainment, you could at least throw us a bone and make the hero Chinese as well. Making it a show about a white dude that learns martial arts and fights Asians is the opposite of appealing to me. Sure making him a Chinese dude that knows kungfu is also pretty stereotypical, but I'd still prefer that. The idea that he's a banana type Asian-American works a lot better, and that might be the ideal situation. Well, I'll still watch it and enjoy it probably since Marvel's Netflix game is on point. But really, virtually every Marvel male lead so far has been white, it's time to diversify.

putting a white man outta the job

'scust,bruh

 

[Platy]

As a Chinese Canadian, I'd really prefer it if Iron Fist wasn't white. I mean, if you're going to take and bastardize the culture for entertainment, you could at least throw us a bone and make the hero Chinese as well. Making it a show about a white dude that learns martial arts and fights Asians is the opposite of appealing to me. Sure making him a Chinese dude that knows kungfu is also pretty stereotypical, but I'd still prefer that. The idea that he's a banana type Asian-American works a lot better, and that might be the ideal situation. Well, I'll still watch it and enjoy it probably since Marvel's Netflix game is on point. But really, virtually every Marvel male lead so far has been white, it's time to diversify.

A chinese dude would be better than white dude even if only because this includes more jobs for chinese actors

 

[……forgetit]

As a Chinese Canadian, I'd really prefer it if Iron Fist wasn't white. I mean, if you're going to take and bastardize the culture for entertainment, you could at least throw us a bone and make the hero Chinese as well. Making it a show about a white dude that learns martial arts and fights Asians is the opposite of appealing to me. Sure making him a Chinese dude that knows kungfu is also pretty stereotypical, but I'd still prefer that. The idea that he's a banana type Asian-American works a lot better, and that might be the ideal situation. Well, I'll still watch it and enjoy it probably since Marvel's Netflix game is on point. But really, virtually every Marvel male lead so far has been white, it's time to diversify.

You are incorrect. Every Marvel male lead so far has been white. We haven't gotten Luke Cage and Black Panther yet

Spoiler

 

[BronsonLee]

Affirmative Action doesn't apply to acting, ya flops
I can't wait for them to cast him just so everyone gets over it

 

[Divvy]

Affirmative Action doesn't apply to acting, ya flops
I can't wait for them to cast him just so everyone gets over it

It does though.

1. "Why didn't you cast an Asian actor/actress for the job?"

2. "We wanted to, but there aren't any Asian actors/actresses with experience or box office draw"

3. "Why aren't there any Asian actors/actresses with experience or box office draw?"

4. "No one casts them in leading roles"

5. return to 1.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Affirmative Action doesn't apply to acting, ya flops
I can't wait for them to cast him just so everyone gets over it

Just wait until the show drops and Shang Chi is a badass that is loved by everyone

 

[BronsonLee]

It does though.

1. "Why didn't you cast an Asian actor/actress for the job?"

It most certainly does not.

2. Because fuck you we're Marvel, we can literally buy you

3. There is no 3

Just wait until the show drops and Shang Chi is a badass that is loved by everyone

And Danny looks like a shit because everyone beats his ass

 

[harSon]

What asian Marvel character exists that is both popular enough to warrant a major film/television show, and realistically going to be made by Marvel? My issue with the whole Iron Fist ordeal is the fact that I'm not seeing any alternatives moving forward. If not Iron Fist, then what? Do you honestly think Marvel is going to adapt Shang Chi, and have the character headline his own show? That ship sailed as soon as they adapted Iron Fist IMO.

 

[Divvy]

It most certainly does not.

2. Because fuck you we're Marvel, we can literally buy you

3. There is no 3

Well, I meant, it should!

And, yes, you are right

 

[BronsonLee]

Well, I meant, it should!

And, yes, you are right

I wouldn't want a role because of that, I'd want it because I fit the casting or was the goddamn best. They did adapt shit for Carrie Anne Moss, after all

 

[Weapxn]

It's not even racism. People relate better to people like them.

Empire disagrees with you.

 

[Divvy]

I wouldn't want a role because of that, I'd want it because I fit the casting or was the goddamn best. They did adapt shit for Carrie Anne Moss, after all

Its just funny how that casting for the best fit and most skilled aleays results in white people getting the roles. ¯_(&#12484_/¯

 

[harSon]

I wouldn't want a role because of that, I'd want it because I fit the casting or was the goddamn best. They did adapt shit for Carrie Anne Moss, after all

This is an industry rife with nepotism and in a lot of ways, more about who you know then your qualifications and/or talent. It's also an industry that artificially manufactures (white) stars. You're telling me former nobodies like Sam Worthington, Taylor Kitsch, Brenton Thwaites, etc. constantly being gifted the keys to 100+ million dollar blockbusters, despite having done nothing in their career before that point to deserve it, is fair - and minority actors struggling to make a name for themselves in an industry systematically rigged for white people should be too proud to be thrown a bone to kickstart their careers?

 

[Dominican Power]

Are we not gonna act there's actual white dudes who have dedicated themselves to martial arts? I'm talking about real legit dudes who their masters have entrusted them with centuries worth of knowledge to pass down. I don't have a problem with some white super martial artist as long as they portray him as someone who knows how much of privilege it is for an outsider to be in the position he's in. There reverence has to be there. I'm the kind of person that's all about following the source material as much as humanly possible. I'm all about diversity but I'd rather Marvel establish legit ethnic characters in the Marvel universe like Black Panther.

 

[Angelus Errare]

This is an industry rife with nepotism and in a lot of ways, more about who you know then your qualifications and/or talent. It's also an industry that artificially manufactures (white) stars. You're telling me former nobodies like Sam Worthington, Taylor Kitsch, Brenton Thwaites, etc. constantly being gifted the keys to 100+ million dollar blockbusters, despite having done nothing in their career before that point to deserve it, is fair - and minority actors struggling to make a name for themselves in an industry systematically rigged for white people should be too proud to be thrown a bone to kickstart their careers?

 

[harSon]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41330009&postcount=160

This magazine encompasses the difference between the potential of a white actor and black actor.

Idris Elba put in work at the television level for over a decade, started at the bottom of the movie scale and worked his way up, and after 25+ years of acting, is finally being rewarded for his talent and efforts with some solid movie roles.

Taylor Kitsch has only been in the industry since 2006, seemingly coming out of nowhere to play decent sized roles in Friday Night Lights and Wolverine, and now he's being handed $200 million dollar movies on a silver platter. It's very reminiscent of Sam Worthington's career. His performances in John Carter and Battleship, while not terrible, were nothing to write home about, and he's not exactly a box office draw considering his face is attached to the two biggest bombs of the year. But he still has star roles lined up alongside prominent directors and actors.

You'll never see Hollywood try to forcibly create a star out of a non-white actor like this. They might take someone whose already accomplished in another medium (Will Smith for example), but they're not going to take some unaccomplished rookie within television/movies and throw him into two $200 million + dollar movies.

It's really quite annoying how institutionally racist Hollywood is.

 

[anaron]

I'm seeing some comic writers even saying they'll not watch if Danny is white.

I still say mixed Asian American is the best way to go.

 

[Angelus Errare]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41330009&postcount=160

Accurate.

 

[harSon]

I'm seeing some comic writers even saying they'll not watch if Danny is white.

I still say mixed Asian American is the best way to go.

Did they refuse to watch Iron Man 3 after their depiction of the Mandarin?

 

[MHWilliams]

I wouldn't want a role because of that, I'd want it because I fit the casting or was the goddamn best. They did adapt shit for Carrie Anne Moss, after all

Do you think they did an open casting call and Moss beat out all the male actors? Or is it more likely they said, "Let's focus this on a female experience, rewrite Hogarth"?

Affirmative Action doesn't apply to acting, ya flops
I can't wait for them to cast him just so everyone gets over it

Sure it does.

There's the famous Hitch argument showing that Hollywood execs avoided casting a black female lead because then it would be a black movie. Or the conversation about the Equalizer, where a Sony exec was like "International audiences are racist. It would've been more successful without Denzel."

To use a recent film, community feedback similar to what's going on with Iron Fist, cause Lucasfilm to rethink Captain Phasma completely.

Captain Phasma, who’s set to make Star Wars history as the big-screen franchise’s first female villain, was originally conceived as a man.

“We were just casting about for all the characters,” said Kasdan, who conceived with Abrams a set of new, younger adventurers that would become entangled with old-guard Star Wars figures like Han Solo and Princess Leia. “I mean, we were making them up at that moment, as costuming and everything else was happening! It’s not like there was a finished script sitting around for months.”

Quite the contrary: Less than three weeks before the movie began principal photography, Kasdan and Abrams still had several key roles to cast as they brought the actors who had been hired to London to participate in the film’s first table read. A photo from that session quickly made its way online, and while Star Wars fans were thrilled to see actors like John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, and Domhnall Gleeson had been added to the cast, only one new actress was pictured at the table read — Daisy Ridley, as the film’s new lead Rey — and that didn’t offer much for a big-screen franchise that can boast less than a handful of significant female characters. “Hey Star Wars,” said a peeved io9.com headline, “Where the Hell Are the Women?”

It was around that time that Kasdan and Abrams, who were still attempting to cast Phasma (and, it’s rumored, had been talking to Benedict Cumberbatch for the role), had their gender-flipping brainstorm. “Everything was happening simultaneously,” Kasdan told me. “When the idea came up to make Phasma female, it was instantaneous: Everyone just said, ‘Yes. That’s great.’”

I mean, this idea that Hollywood is a beautiful wonderland of color-blind and gender-blind casting is a great ideal, but has little to do with reality.

Here's Into the Badlands star Daniel Wu on that:

You didn’t think about trying to come back and make it in Hollywood?

I knew from growing up that they wouldn’t put my kind of people onscreen. There were no decent roles for Asians, much less Asian males. Even when Jackie Chan broke through over here and people fell in love with him, they weren’t really seeing him as this iconic, superstar actor—they were seeing him as this cute, funny oriental dude who spoke broken English and did acrobatic tricks. As an Asian American male, what they were in love with is everything you hate, you know?

When they were premiering Rush Hour 2, Jackie invited all of the artists his company managed to come to L.A. for the premiere, and at the premiere party a producer came up to me and said, “Oh, you’re an actor in Hong Kong? But your English is amazing!” And I said, “Oh, I was born here.” “Oh, you’re not from Hong Kong?” And he lost interest in me as soon as he knew I was from America, not Asia. He bought into the stereotype that all Asians are foreigners, that we all speak with an accent.

In a lot of ways, we saw this as righting the wrong that occurred when Warner Brothers cast David Carradine over Bruce Lee in Kung Fu.

Casting a white guy who didn’t know martial arts over the Chinese guy who was one of the greatest martial artists in the world.

Yeah. From the beginning, we said that Sunny had to be Asian, and to their credit, AMC was totally down with that.

Yeah, the relationships are important to the story. And it felt especially important to show an Asian male as having a sensual side. We all know the story of Romeo Must Die, how Jet Li is the movie’s hero, and the whole time you see this connection developing between him and Aaliyah, who played the female lead. And in the last scene, Li was supposed to kiss her, but when they showed the movie to test audiences, people said they found that disgusting. In the version they released, you just see them give each other a hug. So I don’t want to say this is groundbreaking, because we need to make this a success yet, but it’s cool that we were able to right that wrong too. It’s been 15 years since Romeo Must Die, and 40 years since Kung Fu. That’s just ridiculous. But it’s Hollywood, so I’ll take it.

From a blog:

It's hard to believe how groundbreaking it is to see an Asian American man play an action hero on TV. Not since Russell Wong on Vanishing Son two decades ago, at least. Except this time, we even get two Asian American male leads.

If you want to understand why people in the Asian American community are asking for an Asian-American Iron Fist, it's because of the situations above and the fact that - let's be completely honest - we aren't getting a Shang Chi, Cat, or Agents of Atlas show or film anytime soon.

 

[anaron]

Did they refuse to watch Iron Man 3 after their depiction of the Mandarin?

Mandarin is an awful, offensive character made into a joke role so I'm not sure what that example is supposed to so

 

[BronsonLee]

Its just funny how that casting for the best fit and most skilled aleays results in white people getting the roles. ¯_(&#12484_/¯

It doesn't, though. MCD got Kingpin and that character is white as the pure snow. The best can overcome it. Does any Asian American stand out so much that they'd pick them? They seemingly tried.

You're telling me former nobodies like Sam Worthington, Taylor Kitsch, Brenton Thwaites, etc. constantly being gifted the keys to 100+ million dollar blockbusters, despite having done nothing in their career before that point to deserve it, is fair - and minority actors struggling to make a name for themselves in an industry systematically rigged for white people should be too proud to be thrown a bone to kickstart their careers?

Worthington got picked specifically because he was a little shit, and Kitsch was A-List pegged since Friday Night Lights, but I definitely get your gist.

That being said, Furious 7 is basically Ethnic Avengers and the biggest movie of the next few years stars a young ass black dude who's biggest movie before it was some small ass indie movie

Spoiler

I'm talking about Michael B. Jordan in Creed, of course. Star Wars is stupid

 

[Angelus Errare]

Did they refuse to watch Iron Man 3 after their depiction of the Mandarin?

You know people don't give a damn if a character goes from minority to white, or even white to white. But white to minority and people spazz out.

 

[Red]

MHWilliams, that's a very good post. I agree it is unlikely we would get anything other than a white or Asian male. I was arguing more that the fan community should not support the limitations these productions place on themselves, the conversation should be broader than the expectation.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

What asian Marvel character exists that is both popular enough to warrant a major film/television show, and realistically going to be made by Marvel? My issue with the whole Iron Fist ordeal is the fact that I'm not seeing any alternatives moving forward. If not Iron Fist, then what? Do you honestly think Marvel is going to adapt Shang Chi, and have the character headline his own show? That ship sailed as soon as they adapted Iron Fist IMO.

Shang Chi can work, and it can be done in a lot of ways. I could follow the 70s stories with the British Secret Service (but it would look too much like Shield). Or it can be done in Ultimate Marvel way, in NY with all the Chinese Underground.

 

[harSon]

Mandarin is an awful, offensive character made into a joke role so I'm not sure what that example is supposed to so

Most minority characters were offensive when first conceived. Shang Chi, whose been name dropped in this thread, was originally the son of Dr. Fu Manchu. Luke Cage was originally a slang speaking, wise cracking Blaxploitation knockoff.

 

[Father_Brain]

Do you think they did an open casting call and Moss beat out all the male actors? Or is it more likely they said, "Let's focus this on a female experience, rewrite Hogarth"?



Sure it does.

There's the famous Hitch argument showing that Hollywood execs avoided casting a black female lead because then it would be a black movie. Or the conversation about the Equalizer, where a Sony exec was like "International audiences are racist. It would've been more successful without Denzel."

To use a recent film, community feedback similar to what's going on with Iron Fist, cause Lucasfilm to rethink Captain Phasma completely.



I mean, this idea that Hollywood is a beautiful wonderland of color-blind and gender-blind casting is a great ideal, but has little to do with reality.

Here's Into the Badlands star Daniel Wu on that:







From a blog:


If you want to understand why people in the Asian American community are asking for an Asian-American Iron Fist, it's because of the situations above and the fact that - let's be completely honest - we aren't getting a Shang Chi, Cat, or Agents of Atlas show or film anytime soon.

It's going to be very, very interesting to see how many white actors they cast in Black Panther and how they play up their roles in the marketing.

 

[Angelus Errare]

It's going to be very, very interesting to see how many white actors they cast in Black Panther and how they play up their roles in the marketing.

 

[IHaveIce]

You know people don't give a damn if a character goes from minority to white, or even white to white. But white to minority and people spazz out.

So why do people in here flip out when a white character stays white?

 

[Angelus Errare]

So why do people in here flip out when a white character stays white?

What character who was white in the comics and is announced will still be white in their show resulted in people spazzing?

 

[MHWilliams]

MHWilliams, that's a very good post. I agree it is unlikely we would get anything other than a white or Asian male. I was arguing more that the fan community should not support the limitations these productions place on themselves, the conversation should be broader than the expectation.

I mean, we're getting a white guy. When I make these arguments, it's not like I'm ignoring the reality of what Iron Fist will be. They'll cast classic Danny Rand, which is fine with me. They won't do the Immortal Weapons arc, which I have more of a problem with. I figure they'll do an updated version of his original arc from Marvel Premiere, which is far more New York centric. Like Jessica Jones, I think Marvel will have to significantly rewrite Cage and Iron Fist to make them work. Cage for example, will never be the character portrayed in his opening storylines in the comics; Colter's take is too subdued to be that guy.

I merely argue about the reasoning of the fan feedback and why Danny Rand is actually a pretty malleable character.

I enjoyed the idea of "Asian-American Iron Fist" also encompassing people of Thai, Vietnamese, Malaysian, Indian, Pakastani descent as well, as mentioned in a previous thread.

It's going to be very, very interesting to see how many white actors they cast in Black Panther and how they play up their roles in the marketing.

If Martin Freeman as Everett Ross pans out in Civil War, the first Priest arc (minus Mephisto) gives them a solid way to have a majority black cast, without staying in Wakanda the entire time. That means Ross, probably Klaw, and other government staff will end up being the non-black staff. But I think like Jessica Jones, Marvel's willing to go in the opposite direction and make a really black movie for Black Panther. All in, with fingers crossed.

 

[Red]

I mean, we're getting a white guy. When I make these arguments, it's not like I'm ignoring the reality of what Iron Fist will be. They'll cast classic Danny Rand, which is fine with me. They won't do the Immortal Weapons arc, which I have more of a problem with. I figure they'll do an updated version of his original arc from Marvel Premiere, which is far more New York centric. Like Jessica Jones, I think Marvel will have to significantly rewrite Cage and Iron Fist to make them work. Cage for example, will never be the character portrayed in his opening storylines in the comics; Colter's take is too subdued to be that guy.

I merely argue about the reasoning of the fan feedback and why Danny Rand is actually a pretty malleable character.

I enjoyed the idea of "Asian-American Iron Fist" also encompassing people of Thai, Vietnamese, Malaysian, Indian, Pakastani descent as well, as mentioned in a previous thread.

Yeah I agree with all of this.

 

[BronsonLee]

Slayven and I have already found the perfect Iron Fist.

Spoiler

It's me. I fit the half Asian criteria perfectly and I can take a punch

 

[Slayven]

What asian Marvel character exists that is both popular enough to warrant a major film/television show, and realistically going to be made by Marvel? My issue with the whole Iron Fist ordeal is the fact that I'm not seeing any alternatives moving forward. If not Iron Fist, then what? Do you honestly think Marvel is going to adapt Shang Chi, and have the character headline his own show? That ship sailed as soon as they adapted Iron Fist IMO.

We doing that thing where a character has always been mainstream and known because Marvel is using them?

Iron Fist is getting adapted because of his history with Luke Cage. Luke been carrying Danny since Luke hit the big time with that BEndis Magic.

Shang Chi and Iron Fist are on he same level, but Heroes for Hero made it a no brainer.

Slayven and I have already found the perfect Iron Fist.

Spoiler

It's me. I fit the half Asian criteria perfectly and I can take a punch

You are Ironfist to my Luke Cage.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Did they ever cast Colleen or nah?

 

[Slayven]

Did they ever cast Colleen or nah?

No but they got Misty Knight

 

[BronsonLee]

You are Ironfist to my Luke Cage.

Aw, thanks man, you

Iron Fist is getting adapted because of his history with Luke Cage. Luke been carrying Danny since Luke hit the big time with that BEndis Magic.

...son of a bitch

 

[MHWilliams]

Did they ever cast Colleen or nah?

Colleen's origins are in the opening Iron Fist arc. She's an Iron Fist character, unlike Misty, who was a Luke Cage character at first.

I do wonder how they're cast Colleen. Like, she's 100 percent Asian (Chinese/Japanese) given her family background, but the red hair means some artists draw her as Caucasian.

 

[harSon]

We doing that thing where a character has always been mainstream and known because Marvel is using them?

Iron Fist is getting adapted because of his history with Luke Cage. Luke been carrying Danny since Luke hit the big time with that BEndis Magic.

Shang Chi and Iron Fist are on he same level, but Heroes for Hero made it a no brainer.



You are Ironfist to my Luke Cage.

I'm not even saying mainstream in terms of being a household name among comic enthusiasts. Just an asian Marvel superhero who has enough comics under his/her's belt and is realistically going be adapted to its own movie or television show (you have to take into account characters that are realistically going to work within a TV show's budget).