Femmeworth
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I have to imagine that Next Level had already been working on this game in some form and then Nintendo suggested they slap Metroid on it.
Metroid Prime Federation Force Announced (Next Level, 3DS, 4 Player, Mission Based)
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Deserves every one of them. What a complete ballsup.
Fixed your post.
I am sorry that you haven't experienced, and hence got addicted to Super Mario Stikers.
One of the best, most fun games on the Wii.
Punch-out is not even close!
Beelzebufo
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Okay, but she's not a man. She's a woman wearing a skin-tight suit and stilettos, and the camera constantly goes in for fan-service shots. That really does change everything, and shows how terrible of a person Sakamoto is, at least morally.
Seriously, there are some good analysis articles out there. I can PM you if interested.
theyre going to celebrate metroids 30th anniversary the same way they celebrated metroids 25th anniversary
I have been saying the same thing, and was attacked constantly, so you I recommend that you should stop and not get into this conversation, its not worth it. People will never budge on any ideas they have regarding this topic, however wrong they are!
kunonabi
Member
Just twice since Prime isn't part of Sakamoto's canon. He was defeated in the first Metroid but not killed until Super Metroid. Her reaction isn't that far-fetched really and over-exaggerated by the internet as well. She doesn't break down and cry and her armor shuts down from being scrapped against the wall, not because of her feelings.
The fact is make Adam a woman and the sexist talk goes away. Which is ridiculous since the other soldiers had to have their weaponry authorized too so Samus wasn't being singled out to begin with and nobody would be bitching about the male soldiers taking orders from a woman if that was the situation.
Because that was the sort of style that Next Level was seemingly always headed towards with how they view Metroid.
Their proportions have been chibi-fied a bit more since the first concept art was leaked, but the kind of shitty, overly-angular style of it is something they've always been working with. Or maybe they just went to the Square school of character design, where all character models must be chibi regardless of appropriateness.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Mhmm
But she's not a man.... she's a woman. Like... you have to realize how much it matters that she is a woman right? I'm tempted to make a race analogy but I won't. I'm just going to hope that you understand the logical fallacy of what you are trying to say.
No matter how much you want it look like a kohai/senpai relationship, the fact that she is a woman and how she was handled in the game will always show a certain amount of sexism. Its inescapable
I mean, people were literally begging for a new Metroid game and they came up with this shit.
No one can say they didn't see it coming.
Kinda feel bad for NLG now.
That's how Nintendo operates. You pitch concepts to them and they figure how to sell them. Often it means attaching an established IP on it.
Wow, not even two paragraphs in.
Also Sakamoto saying how he wants the game to play isn't him dictating how the game layout or physics work.
You're only making it seem even worse.
theyre going to celebrate metroids 30th anniversary the same way they celebrated metroids 25th anniversary
That implies they did something.
AzureTranquility95
Banned
You are mistaken sir, for I have indeed experienced both Strikers games. They're about as good as any of the other Mario sports games, honestly.
Punch-Out!! though, that game's deep. You wouldn't last one minute against
Title Defense
They did. They just celebrated it two years early with the Prime Trilogy, that's all.
Some concept shots leaked. How you made a leap from that to it being an "actual interesting looking Metroid game" is impressive.
The greatest trick GAF ever pulled was making people believe this statement is true.
MikeE21286
Member
There's no way this was a Metroid game built from the ground up.
It just couldn't be. Nobody over at Nintendo is this tone deaf. Seriously.
It just couldn't be. Nobody over at Nintendo is this tone deaf. Seriously.
So? There were multiple directors. Sakamoto was one of them.
LOLwat
Even ignoring how mind-boggling this statement is, many of the worst gameplay elements in Other M (Like the forced walking sections and the pixel hunts) are purely there to service the story. You cannot argue that Other M's gameplay didn't suffer from the story elements.
using an unique art style and actually featuring Samus is in my opinion more interesting than what we got today.
GoldandBlue
Member
It's funny, had they tweaked the game to look like a Splatoon spin-off instead, I could see the reaction being better.
Junahu
Member
oh, ok then. I take it all back.
El Pescado
Member
Good Lord the vitriol in this thread is ridiculous. This game looks like a super fun Metroid spinoff and Next Level Games is awesome.
Beelzebufo
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But Adam was a man! That's the point haha. And those other soldiers don't have constant close-ups of their asses, and Anthony actually does shit in the story-line, like saving Samus when she's too weak.
It's like looking a The Birth of a Nation and saying it wouldn't be racist if the bad guys weren't all black people and the heroes weren't all klansmen, or looking at Nintendo's E3 press conference and saying it wouldn't be terrible if they had shown off Metroid Prime 4 instead of this crap. Like you're not wrong... But why are we talking about a fantasy world? How is that an argument? It's not haha. See how what you're saying doesn't make sense?
They did. They just celebrated it two years early with the Prime Trilogy, that's all.
Fair enough but that was just Prime and they didn't even mention the anniversary at all when it did come around.
Samus herself is a bounty hunter in name only since Nintendo and Sakamoto don't apparently know what bounty hunters are.
You just said he was the director. The very discussion you linked has Hayashi saying the exact opposite. That counts for a lot you know.
I'm sorry, mind quoting any statement in that article that has anybody there mentioning Sakamoto detailing how the level layout should be? Or how the button layout? Or the collisions, health format, anything specifically game design relevant?
I guess I have a little more hope for this game than most. Nintendo's titles usually look really rough (and even a little rote)at reveal but are just fine at release. Nintendo land comes to mind immediately. I think the only two that reversed that for me was Mario kart 8 and super Mario 3D world. Give it time.
Simbabbad
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There is not even a "stupid unlock system" in Other M, it works exactly like in other Metroid games: you reach a specific area, and boom, a new power is unlocked. The only difference is how it's presented: in usual Metroid games you find a powerup, in Other M you have a line of dialogue telling you you're "allowed" to use this or that power, but the end result is the exact same.
That people still make such a big deal out of grabbing something on screen vs. hearing a line of dialogue (no matter how stupid it may be, we all agree on this) boggles the mind. It changes absolutely nothing gameplay-wise.
Also, there is a Metroid cycle, every single Metroid game since Super Metroid has been trashed at launch. Allow me to quote myself:
Even Metroid Zero Mission, which didn't get flamed as much because it's a remake copied on Super Metroid, got trashed a bit because of the hints given by the Chozo statues.
Also, those same people generally criticize Metroid (NES) for being too old and clunky, and Return of Samus for being outdated. All in all, those so-called "Metroid fans" are just Super Metroid fanatics who hate every other game.
No wonder Nintendo is trying to rebrand Metroid and broaden its appeal. People are mistaken when they say the name Metroid won't bring sales to Federation Force: the Metroid name isn't there to bring people to the game, the game is there to bring people to the Metroid name. They want Metroid to be wider than just classic Metroid, because they probably don't want to deal with its rabid fan base any more, especially since the core gameplay of Metroid (basically, maze elements and backtracking) are completely against modern gaming trends and the taste of the general public. This is in continuation to Metroid Blast.
An Other M Wii U sequel making use of the gamepad would have been amazing.
But it'll never happen now.
They have the exact design of Echoes/Corruption, except chibi, obviously to deal with the limits of the 3DS. Look it up, it's obvious.
Lies, or rose tinted glasses. See my above quote. Prime was met with hostility during all of its development, Fusion got trashed (and still is), Echoes was labelled as the worst Metroid game (said at the same time to be "more of the same", to "milk the bright world/dark world concept", and not be "Metroid" enough, whatever it's supposed to mean), Corruption was accused of being a bastardisation of the series and wanting to copy Halo and betray the isolation feelings, etc.
Discussion boards about Metroid games have always been whining and complaining and nostalgia for Super Metroid non stop.
Prime 1, 2, and 3 were met through massive acclaim and are considered some of the greatest games of all time. Revisionist history bullshit doesn't change that.
The "Metroid cycle" is a myth.
JimJamJones
Member
Stone cold.
Not that big of a fan either, but I'd much rather have that kind of art style than the super deformed actual style.
And the graphics are just ugly beyond the art style. Poor textures, lighting, models.
I expect more people would give it a chance if it wasn't so ugly looking.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Welp. Sad times ahead. You had one job, Nintendo.
Personally, feels worse than the FFVII trolling last December.
Personally, feels worse than the FFVII trolling last December.
As a longtime Metroid fan who pretty much enjoyed every Metroid (I enjoyed Other M for what it was), this announcement really came as a crushing blow after so many years.
I think this spinoff would be okay if we knew that Nintendo was also planning another mainline Metroid with Samus focused on exploration, sense of isolation, great level and enemy design etc...
However, I think many people fear that this is the only Metroid Nintendo is planning and if the critical/sales reception is bad, they'd bury the franchise. I can really understand that fear.
Gameplay wise it looked decent based on the treehouse footage, but that artstyle is just everything it shouldn't be. Many people describe it as a 'chibi looking' Metroid, I'm going to be a bit more cruel and just call it a 'plastic Hasbro looking transformers game without soul'.
Hopefully Nintendo will see this reception and think about it, without shafting the franchise. Maybe they'll manage to turn the tides around and it will still be something nice, but at the same time they really must do something to reassure us about Samus her future.
I think this spinoff would be okay if we knew that Nintendo was also planning another mainline Metroid with Samus focused on exploration, sense of isolation, great level and enemy design etc...
However, I think many people fear that this is the only Metroid Nintendo is planning and if the critical/sales reception is bad, they'd bury the franchise. I can really understand that fear.
Gameplay wise it looked decent based on the treehouse footage, but that artstyle is just everything it shouldn't be. Many people describe it as a 'chibi looking' Metroid, I'm going to be a bit more cruel and just call it a 'plastic Hasbro looking transformers game without soul'.
Hopefully Nintendo will see this reception and think about it, without shafting the franchise. Maybe they'll manage to turn the tides around and it will still be something nice, but at the same time they really must do something to reassure us about Samus her future.
It does, because you know that if this thing doesn't sell well they'll bury the franchise again for another six years.
Does it look fun? yeah, probably
Is the Next Level Games team awesome? Yes, it definitely is.
What's the problem then? The problem I see about all this is that it was announced at the worst possible moment
It doesn't. That's just BS. If Metroid Prime 4 was announced for WiiU people would see this for what it is: a spinoff entry into the Metroid franchise. Because MP4 isn't announced (likely because it's become a NX game and Nintendo isn't talking NX yet), people are freaking out thinking this is the only Metroid game in the works and blaming it for the absence of MP4.
Phendrana drifts is immensely overrated. If that's what people tout as the most ambient area in the game, then I don't' think it's very good.
Prime 2 was lightyears better, but then people prefer prime 1. I haven't played 3 yet, I plan to start soon.
LOL, did you even read what I said? I said the Federation troopers were the only thing that actually looked like Metroid Prime.
Also, holy fuck you're seriously trying to peddle a "Metroid cycle". Go on, tell me how Metroid Prime was panned at launch while Metroid Other M is now idolized as a good game.
That doesn't say that sakamoto was the source of the design decisions. That's him giving a general idea and team ninja running with it. It says nothing of him actually having involvement in the actual implementation of that idea.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
When does this thing release? If 2016 maybe we can see some improvement.