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[Black_Stride]

I probably would of changed it to

10 high X3D powered cores cpu - 1 LP core disabled for OS and good for cpu demanding games

320-bit @ 720GBS @ GDDR7

58cu capable gpu 2 disabled with 20MB L2 cache 40-50gig of ram

40-50 tf of performance

Probably be around 200-300 tdp

Should be enough atleast between a 5080 5090 level. And it definitely be more powerful then 6090xt and a 4090gtx

First images of the PS6 revealed:

All for 499 dollars.




Also love we have a disabled LP core for the OS since we all know a basically lasered off core is best for running OSes.

 

[SplunkyMunkey]

And for $499 right?

Nope but probably be put on a level the ps5 pro was priced at and im sure the 10 core x3d probably is cheap to get now.

 

[T4keD0wN]

Funny thing is AMD cant get even remotely close to 4090 performance years after and a 5090 has 150w higher tdp.

They need to make a gpu that outperforms a 4080 first.

 

[sigmaZ]

They are going to realize something equivalent to a 4070 max and incorporate some kind of handheld is my guess and it's going to revolve around a lot of AI upscaling.

 

[TrebleShot]

Hopefully true , it would be better to see these machines become the main vessel for AI accelerated hardware. We dont need home consoles being compatible
To PC hardware when there is upscaling and AI tools that can bridge the gap and in 2 years time will be even better.

If your ant to provide a compelling lower cost device to home users that hits the magical 60fps and lossless upscalimg using AI to 4k then I think the wider audience will be pleased.

 

[Ar¢tos]

How do Zen LP cores for OS compare to ARM? (efficiency/power consumption)
Or are would they pick Zen to avoid getting an ARM license?

 

[Black_Stride]

Nope but probably be put on a level the ps5 pro was priced at and im sure the 10 core x3d probably is cheap to get now.

The 9800X3D with 8 X3D cores is still 400 dollars
The 7800X3D with 8 X3D cores is still 350 dollars.

P.S Why would the thing need X3D when they could just give it a sizeable L2 and L3 cache.

How do Zen LP cores for OS compare to ARM? (efficiency/power consumption)
Or are would they pick Zen to avoid getting an ARM license?

AMD is building the APU, they wouldnt want to mix and match their APU with ARM.

 

[Bernardougf]

Were you expecting 6090 level or something?.
I'll bet anything a 4090 will still eat in for breakfast raw power wise, probably a 4080 too.
Which for a console would still be good.

As with every new console gen coming up, keep your expectations in check, and dont believe everything you read or watch from clueless Youtubers.

Just seems low imho .. not asking for a 6090.. didnt say that...

Without exclusive games, bigger price of entry and having to endure a probably huge crossgen period... a mid spec machine with 3 years old amd tech at probably 699 is looking like a bad investment in my eyes. And I dont buy this 2x this 5x times that .. this numbers ment fcking nothing with the ps5Pro which is a huge disappointment imho.

Consoles never were top of the market ... but the gap only gets wider and wider because of the differences between AMD and NVIDIA tech.....the cost×benefit is starting to look real bad for consoles.

 

[Audiophile]

640GB/s for ~30GB is hilarious.

 

[Ar¢tos]

The 9800X3D with 8 X3D cores is still 400 dollars
The 7800X3D with 8 X3D cores is still 350 dollars.

P.S Why would the thing need X3D when they could just give it a sizeable L2 and L3 cache.



AMD is building the APU, they wouldnt want to mix and match their APU with ARM.

At least the ps4 had a secondary ARM processor to assist with OS, don't know if the ps5 also has it.
So they have mixed AMD with ARM before.

 

[Braag]

My uncle's wife's boyfriend works at Sony and he said PS6 will use the new Majorana 1 quantum chip which MS recently created.

 

[Luipadre]

LOL sure

 

[Black_Stride]

At least the ps4 had a secondary ARM processor to assist with OS, don't know if the ps5 also has it.
So they have mixed AMD with ARM before.

It wasnt in the APU.
As you said it was a secondary unit.

Sony can use whatever from whoever they want on the motherboard just like they used Marvell on the PS5 but the APU is AMDs so its gonna be AMD shit.

 

[nemiroff]

 

[IllegalLemon]

Given the fact that the vram bandwidth on the ps5 pro is 570-ish GB/s, I doubt Sony would aim for that low of an improvement on the PS6. 900-ish GB/s looks more plausible on GDDR7, considering those modules are set to get even cheaper by the time the console is finished. and that already puts MLiD's performance estimate slides(whatever his "insider" sources are) into question.

Performance improvements and equivalent hardware estimates are plausible, if not a little outrageous. We'll have to wait and see. MLiD's track record is sketchy, to say the least and for the longest time he's been piggybacking on information regurgitated by RedGamingTech, another "leaker" with a sketchy track record. But, if what they say is true, then we'll definitely be looking at $649 at the minimum (hopefully I'm wrong).

 

[PlayStaytion]

160 bit memory bus and that 160W TDP...

Borderlands logic of understanding numbers. They basically don't make sense until you use them.

 

[Ar¢tos]

It wasnt in the APU.
As you said it was a secondary unit.

Sony can use whatever from whoever they want on the motherboard just like they used Marvell on the PS5 but the APU is AMDs so its gonna be AMD shit.

I was thinking more in the lines of excluding the LP cores completely, have the full APU for games and the OS (and other apps) running on a secondary ARM cpu.

 

[DenchDeckard]

5090 level raytracing!!

Good luck

 

[pacman4000]

Funny thing is AMD cant get even remotely close to 4090 performance years after and a 5090 has 150w higher tdp.

They need to make a gpu that outperforms a 4080 first.

Thats not how it works. They haven't bothered releasing a chip that is in the same size class as the AD102 chip [used by the 4090]. What's funny about that?

If the leaks are correct (and if they decide to release them) gfx-cards based on AT0 and AT1 will easily outperform the 4080 (even AT2 based cards will probably do that).

But as for consoles they don't need to release them since AT0 and AT1 aren't suitable for your typical console.

 

[rsouzadk]

I really do expect it to be able to run ps5 games no less than 1080p when performance mode is activated.

 

[Black_Stride]

I was thinking more in the lines of excluding the LP cores completely, have the full APU for games and the OS (and other apps) running on a secondary ARM cpu.

Id imagine due to latency losses vs die space losses.
Probably also the reason none of last gens (XSX/PS5) used a secondary processing unit for the OS when they could just reserve a core

Medusa Point is supposedly 3nm process those 2xLP cores would be fast, lowpower and right in the APU.

 

[T4keD0wN]

Thats not how it works. They haven't bothered releasing a chip that is in the same size class as the AD102 chip [used by the 4090]. What's funny about that?

Haven't bothered? Are you imlying AMD haven't even bothered to try their best with rdna4 and the only reason they haven't released a card that outperforms a 4090 is because they havent felt like it?

No, they are doing their best and would release a card that beats a 4090 if they could. Btw, did you know i am a better at hockey than Wayne Gretzky and the only reason why i didn't his record is because i just haven't felt like playing hockey? (Same energy as AMD here)

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

People laughing at this like the PS6 is coming out tomorrow. By 2028 this will be okay lol.

 

[Gaiff]

People laughing at this like the PS6 is coming out tomorrow. By 2028 this will be okay lol.

People are laughing at this because of the specs and performance claims. They don't align at all. 9070 XT performance in general is believable. 9070 XT performance in raster but 5090 performance in RT is lol.

 

[Black_Stride]

Haven't bothered? Are you imlying AMD haven't even bothered to try their best with rdna4 and the only reason they haven't released a card that outperforms a 4090 is because they havent felt like it?

No, they are doing their best and would release one if they could. Sure, i am a better at hockey than Wayne Gretzky too, just haven't felt like playing hockey.

The 9070XT is RTX4080/7900XTX class.
The 9070XT is a 357mm die.
It would be safe to assume had they made a 500mm die it would be 4090 class or there abouts.

RDNA4 was another RDNA1 situation where they didnt need/want to make a bigger die.

The real money in the GPU space is the midrange.
xx60 - xx70 class cards are always the best sellers, so why would AMD try going up against the xx90s they'd sell even less of those than they already do of their xx60 - xx70 class cards.

 

[T4keD0wN]

The 9070XT is RTX4080/7900XTX class.
The 9070XT is a 357mm die.
It would be safe to assume had they made a 500mm die it would be 4090 class or there abouts.

RDNA4 was another RDNA1 situation where they didnt need/want to make a bigger die.

The real money in the GPU space is the midrange.
xx60 - xx70 class cards are always the best sellers, so why would AMD try going up against the xx90s they'd sell even less of those than they already do of their xx60 - xx70 class cards.

True about 60 - 70 being best sellers.

But then what reason is there for them to suddenly want to make a die that big with rdna5 then?

 

[KungFucius]

We keep getting so many of these "leaks" that it's hard to keep track of what the actual fuck is going on.

Do you really expect to know what is going on with a product that won't launch for 2-3 years? The end result is almost always worse than these BS leaks.

 

[KungFucius]

The 9070XT is RTX4080/7900XTX class.
The 9070XT is a 357mm die.
It would be safe to assume had they made a 500mm die it would be 4090 class or there abouts.

RDNA4 was another RDNA1 situation where they didnt need/want to make a bigger die.

The real money in the GPU space is the midrange.
xx60 - xx70 class cards are always the best sellers, so why would AMD try going up against the xx90s they'd sell even less of those than they already do of their xx60 - xx70 class cards.

Why wouldn't they? If they really can compete at the top level, then they will win mind share, media coverage, and market share. This trickles down to the midrange. Many people buying xx60/xx70 over an AMD offering in the same range do so because of all the xx90 hype and coverage.

 

[ergem]

It's very difficult to get excited about specs, when Sony will still have cross-gen games for the majority of its lifespan, rendering these specs useless.

And that's the reason why I think the leak specs is reasonable. Big jump in raytracing power and AI, moderate jump in rasterization.

The differentiator would be realistic lighting by virtue of path tracing.

 

[Radical_3d]

As famous Spanish thinker and philosopher Ernesto Sevilla use to say "Whaaaaat a load of crap!"

Spoiler: Original quote

First of all that 640Gbs for next generation is so ass. Soooo ass… not even 2X the previous generation. And with that kind of bandwidth you're going to get nowhere near 5090 performance in any metric in any kind of real life scenario. Which I wasn't expecting. But even for what I was expecting this is crap. This is going to hinder performance along all the generation and Magnus is going to be way more performative than what is on paper precisely because of bandwidth. I don't know why Cerny hates bandwidth but he underestimates its impact as shown in PS5, PS5 Pro and PS6.

Everything else is fine.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

People laughing at this like the PS6 is coming out tomorrow. By 2028 this will be okay lol.

rtx 5070 level (you can forget about MLID bs its 5090) will not be ok in 2028 and for sure not in middle of cycle like in 2031-2032 ;d

 

[Loxus]

Don't feel like getting quoted by wccftech and all the other tech rags today

This is a first.

Since when did you care more about what article Wcctech and Hassan puts out than verifying if MLiD leaks are correct or not?

So far you seem to agree with most of (not all) the specs about AMD/Sony/Microsoft he's putting out, so this PS6 leak is more are less accurate.


I've been here long enough to see Neogaf reaction on the PS4 Pro, PS5 and PS5 Pro spec leaks and the reaction is all the same. Lol

 

[Moridianae]

rtx 5070 level (you can forget about MLID bs its 5090) will not be ok in 2028 and for sure not in middle of cycle like in 2031-2032 ;d

You aren't going to get the level of power you hope for in a console at any point, not without eliminating mass adoption due to a massive price, which they aren't willing to do.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

You aren't going to get the level of power you hope for in a console at any point, not without eliminating mass adoption due to a massive price, which they aren't willing to do.

thats sadly true

 

[PeteBull]

Just lettings u guys know, even cheapest most basic rtx 5090 models are still well over 2k usd streetprice:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601469156%20601469182

So if we get something close to that would mean great value even at 999$.
Ofc its MLID so all the info and especially his speculations gotta be treated with ocean of salt

How powerful is rtx 5090 compared to ps5pr0? Considering ps5pr0 isnt stronger from recently launched rx 9060xt 16GB (380$ streetprice)

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-tech-pulse-11350-03-20g-radeon-rx-9060-xt-16gb-graphics-card-double-fans/p/N82E16814202457

AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT 16 GB Specs

AMD Navi 44, 3130 MHz, 2048 Cores, 128 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 2518 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

As we can see 3x performance increase.

 

[Radical_3d]

rtx 5070 level (you can forget about MLID bs its 5090) will not be ok in 2028 and for sure not in middle of cycle like in 2031-2032 ;d

I don't know what do you expect with current TSMC prices. The 80 series is no longer 600$ but 1.200$. I think 5070 power for a console GPU in 2028 is fine.

 

[Loxus]

People are laughing at this because of the specs and performance claims. They don't align at all. 9070 XT performance in general is believable. 9070 XT performance in raster but 5090 performance in RT is lol.

Didn't Kepler already leaked the RT has been vastly improved and provided patents as well?

 

[Ozrimandias]

A technical or graphical upgrade is always nice, but getting too hyped about raw power and visuals doesn't really make sense anymore… most of the industry knows we're not gonna see the kind of graphical leaps we had in past generations. Those days are gone.


I mean, the PS5 still hasn't had a single game that gives you that "holy shit, how is this console even running this?" feeling like Uncharted 2 did back in the day, or later Uncharted 4 and The Last of Us Part II.

 

[RoboFu]

Beyond the crazy specs .. do You really think that Sony is going to pay extra to have both Amd and Nvidia in a console? Not going to happen.

 

[Loxus]

A technical or graphical upgrade is always nice, but getting too hyped about raw power and visuals doesn't really make sense anymore… most of the industry knows we're not gonna see the kind of graphical leaps we had in past generations. Those days are gone.


I mean, the PS5 still hasn't had a single game that gives you that "holy shit, how is this console even running this?" feeling like Uncharted 2 did back in the day, or later Uncharted 4 and The Last of Us Part II.

Maybe because it can't?

 

[Radical_3d]

Beyond the crazy specs .. do You really think that Sony is going to pay extra to have both Amd and Nvidia in a console? Not going to happen.

 

[SHAKEZ]

All that performance to watch movies? Impressive.

 

[Loxus]

Based on what Kepler has been saying.
MLiD is more or less accurate in regards to RT, no overall performance.

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

"LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS PAUL, AND WELCOME TO ANOTHER REDGAMINGTECH.COM VIDEO!"

According to my sources

 

[RoboFu]

Sourcing 2 different parts from two different companies is always higher in cost. With the ps4 and 5 the cpu and gpu is one SOC.

It's a huge cost savings to have one SOC.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Radical_3d]

Sourcing 2 different parts from two different companies is always higher in cost. With the ps4 and 5 the cpu and gpu is one SOC.

It's a huge cost savings to have one SOC.

There is a huge saving in time in learning to read before posting.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Based on what Kepler has been saying.
MLiD is more or less accurate in regards to RT, no overall performance.

Its probably performance per watt or per sq mm die size.

Overall performance will obviously depend on size and total power.

 

[Roman Empire]

I don't know when the PS6 will make its debut but I think with these specs it'll be very mid-range by then (imagening a late 2027 or 2028 release).

I do think it'll be the best affordable option performance by cost in gaming but it won't be this hugh leap some might think it is. Well, for now all we can do is speculate.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

A technical or graphical upgrade is always nice, but getting too hyped about raw power and visuals doesn't really make sense anymore… most of the industry knows we're not gonna see the kind of graphical leaps we had in past generations. Those days are gone.


I mean, the PS5 still hasn't had a single game that gives you that "holy shit, how is this console even running this?" feeling like Uncharted 2 did back in the day, or later Uncharted 4 and The Last of Us Part II.

I'll remind people we got a game like RDR2 running on crusty old PS4, a piece of hardware that released in 2013 and planned in the late 00's. The game still impresses even on that platform. (30fps i know)

We're now in 2025 and honestly i have more to worry about than graphics. I'll, probably take a while to upgrade from my ps5 pro at this point.