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Monitoring the situation in Iran

Moondoggy said:
"No imminent threat" is probably what some would've said about the Taliban before 9/11
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Actually, we had evidence of that.

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Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US - Wikipedia

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"Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" is a President's Daily Brief prepared by the Central Intelligence Agency that was given to U.S. president George W. Bush on Monday, August 6, 2001. The brief warned, 36 days before the September 11 attacks, of terrorism threats from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, including "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for a hijacking" of U.S. aircraft.
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Bojji said:
But he didn't ask, he demanded.

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He sounds like bipolar person.
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It's what governing by the seat of your pants looks like. No real plan, just wing it based on perception. Edit: to be more blunt and specific. It's what happens when you only focus on the end goal and not the work that needs to be put in to get there.

In any competent administration the conversations about the Strait should have started before the first bomb was dropped.
 
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Vestal said:
It's what governing by the seat of your pants looks like. No real plan, just wing it based on perception.

In any competent administration the conversations about the Strait should have started before the first bomb was dropped.
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I think Sarah Paine is spot on about Trump here (21:19), and that was before the war:



He doesn't really plan anything ahead...
 
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DrFigs said:
They'll support boots on the ground. hard to know which of these users were the "no new wars" types, but that clearly is not a factor here.

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It looks like this important update got overlooked: no one wants to help us in this stupid war we started. I am lost as to how someone can read this and not be embarrassed.
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"We don't need anybody, we are the strongest nation in the world. We have the strongest military. We don't need them."





To quote Machiavelli, "War begins as you want, but rarely ends as you please."
 
calico said:
Second sentence of the article says he asked. It's unclear which demand the fake news headline is referring to.

Not that I think he was really asking expecting a positive response. He asked to make a public record of the refusal to assist.
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Article also quotes him multiple times saying that he don't need any help and allies.

"Demand":



So the biggest navy on the planet can't handle this?
 
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I wonder if he even consulted with any of the NATO Allies before starting this mess to then be trying to guilt them into action. And you can see why they "noped out" considering what is happening in Europe. And how would it even look for them to go throw man power at the Middle East with war in their backyard.

Also, by all indications escorting ships is not really attainable long term or even short term. And the amount of ammunition European counties will have to have ready to shoot down a single drone or boat would probably better serve Ukraine.
 
calico said:
President Trump asked for assistance fully expecting that it would not be forthcoming. He's just getting it 'on the record' and making sure there can be no revisionism over this point later.

It is going to matter for informing US policy going forward, even for more deep-state-approved future administrations. What has been seen cannot be unseen.
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IMO, he'll use it and say it's a reason why we'll pull out of NATO, which I firmly believe he wants. Can't say I'm particularly a fan of it, though I am in support of BTFO'ing Iran and their terror networks.
 
I don't know if this is real but it popped on my feed.
What a brilliant idea...



Doing your PPL over the hottest most contested air space on the planet right now, with cardboards on your front window and without comms


Bojji said:
I think Sarah Paine is spot on about Trump here (21:19), and that was before the war:



He doesn't really plan anything ahead...
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She's went full "Robocop without the 4th directive" since she retired from Naval War College. One of my favorite geopolitcal minds (specially on Asia)
 
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calico said:
Second sentence of the article says he asked. It's unclear which demand the fake news headline is referring to.

Not that I think he was really asking expecting a positive response. He asked to make a public record of the refusal to assist.
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I don't remember where it was, but I'm pretty sure I saw a video of him using that word in that context.
 
Bojji said:
... So the biggest navy on the planet can't handle this?
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I think the US Navy can handle it, just not without losses. Iran isn't playing out there and they're clearly prepared to hit where it hurts. To my eyes, Trump's slowly realising he's started a real, actual war and people are going to die. I think he wants his "allies" to take those losses simply to save political face at home now that it's undeniably clear the Iran war is going to take a while.
 
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Bojji said:
Article also quotes him multiple times saying that he don't need any help and allies.

"Demand":



So the biggest navy on the planet can't handle this?
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The second part of that video is also interesting. Basically arguing against his own war but confirms that the USA had its hand forced.
 
Sonik said:
Based af, dude is probably going to face a lot of backlash by the Trump admin but in 5 years when the complete and utter disaster of the Iran war, economic, diplomatic and otherwise has fully unfolded, history is going to vindicate people like him
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totes, much like the previous Iran war. All those people, vindicated.
 
Gamerfan81 said:
"We don't need anybody, we are the strongest nation in the world. We have the strongest military. We don't need them."





To quote Machiavelli, "War begins as you want, but rarely ends as you please."
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His tweets have also changed from those funny one-liners from a few years ago to angry nonsensical rants. I think he might actually have dementia, that's why it was so easy for neocons to manipulate him this time, unlike his previous term when he was firing them one after another
 
ZehDon said:
I think the US Navy can handle it, just not without losses. Iran isn't playing out there and they're clearly prepared to hit where it hurts. To my eyes, Trump's slowly realising he's started a real, actual war and people are going to die. I think he wants his "allies" to take those losses simply to save political face at home now that it's undeniably clear the Iran war is going to take a while.
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He probably knows putting US boots on the ground after months/years of 'no wars under me' rhetoric will be a massive negative for the midterms.
 
adamsapple said:
He probably knows putting US boots on the ground after months/years of 'no wars under me' rhetoric will be a massive negative for the midterms.
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Even if he doesn't, this war is going to have big effects for the midterms. Is losing the Senate in 2026, or the Presidency in 2028, worth it? It's not a guaranteed outcome, but it's a lot more likely now with an unpopular war going on that will definitely lead to more inflation.
 
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