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New 90 second Clip of Avengers: Age of Ultron

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Pachimari

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Subpar Spatula said:
It is actually hard to blend them together. One is more brutal than the other. You don't just up and make Captain America crush skulls and what not. You allude to that in the MCU. You never show brutality as it makes the movie tonally different. Daredevil set it's tone to brutal, having him in quirk land will have people saying, "This isn't as bloody as the TV show even though it's the same universe and character, what gives?" It is a legitimate criticism.

If you can envision Daredevil hanging out with these guys at bars or fighting in Civil War then I don't believe you truly understand the differences between the tv show and the MCU.
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Man, you have a hard time understanding it. Of course I know the differences between the movies and TV shows, especially Netflix, I'm just saying it wouldn't be hard to blend them together. And it's really not hard picturing them hanging out together in a bar.

I think we are at a point, were we just have to agree to disagree.

Because if you have a hard time imagining them together, then too bad for you. But to me, it's not hard at all.
 
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Madridista said:
Man, you have a hard time understanding it. Of course I know the differences between the movies and TV shows, especially Netflix, I'm just saying it wouldn't be hard to blend them together. And it's really not hard picturing them hanging out together in a bar.

I think we are at a point, were we just have go agree to disagree.
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Why do you think they can be in the same screen? I'm confused as to your thought process. How do you reconcile the tones? You agree they're very different so what makes you think they can? I say they can't because the TV-verse and MCU are vastly different tone wise, what makes you say they can?
 
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Pachimari

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Okay, I'm saying this. The Netflix shows and the rest of the MCU are very different in tone and visual style, let's agree on that. I can also see, why somebody would have a hard time seeing these two styles mixed.

At the same time, to me (and some others I know have been posting in here), it wouldn't be hard to imagine the rest of the universe interacting with Daredevil. As the examples I have given earlier.

They could even fight alongside each other. Cap would need only one punch to knock somebody out, while Daredevil would need several as he is a normal human being, while Cap is a super soldier.

They could totally do a Civil War movie in the tone of the movies and having Daredevil in it. It wouldn't be dark and gritty, but he would still be limited to his skill set and be the vigilante we have come to know.
 
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Madridista said:
Okay, I'm saying this. The Netflix shows and the rest of the MCU are very different in tone and visual style, let's agree on that. I can also see, why somebody would have a hard time seeing these two styles mixed.

At the same time, to me (and some others I know have been posting in here), it wouldn't be hard to imagine the rest of the universe interacting with Daredevil. As the examples I have given earlier.

They could even fight alongside each other. Cap would need only one punch to knock somebody out, while Daredevil would need several as he is a normal human being, while Cap is a super soldier.

They could totally do a Civil War movie in the tone of the movies and having Daredevil in it. It wouldn't be dark and gritty, but he would still be limited to his skill set and be the vigilante we have come to know.
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Brutality is part of the Daredevil Netflix series. I'm confused as to why you think you could take that brutality and add it to the Avengers or remove the brutality from Daredevil. This is key here. The brutality separates the tv show and the MCU immensely. You would be drastically changing how people see the Avengers or Daredevil.

Your logic is really confusing because you're not articulating how you can reconcile the tones of the two. This is the issue. I'm OK with Daredevil hitting a guy 5 times more than Captain would. That isn't the issue.
 
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Shaanyboi

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Bishop89 said:
nice clip. Spader is amazing.

So what are quicksilvers and scarletts background?
are they badies
? very confused as DoFP version is
good
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They were willingly tested on by Hydra after their homes were destroyed either by Stark tech or in an Avengers fight. They want revenge.
 
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liliththepale

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It's weird to hear such a human and cavalier voice coming from a robot without synth, distortion or servo sounds overlaid.

That said, this new clip has me a lot more psyched than the previous one. Back on the HYPE TRAIN Woot Woot!
 
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G-Fex

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That's awful
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Error said:
I thought Ultron's voice was going to have filters, now he sounds like a normal human. :/

I like how the voice sounded in the first trailer.
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I'm hearing that a clip playing on Kimmel had the more robotic voice (can't verify as west coast here). Also, I have not heard anything in regards to this on the initial twitter responses.

So either:

1) The clip on youtube is simply non-filtered, either by mistake or on purpose as just to get more people to theaters.

2) The filtered voice that we have been hearing are from his earlier bodies. The advanced form he has in the clip has no need for that.
 
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ReplacementPelican

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Liking all the clips so far, it's a shame Rhodey isn't around for the whole film. I do like how Stark is clearly still worried about the first film's events and didn't just get over it after the events of Iron Man 3.

It's almost as if they know that Thanos is coming.
 
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Subpar Spatula said:
That was quite bad. Like really bad.

He's made of vibranium and his jaw is enough to bend it? LOLOL
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Yeah no, he has the vibranium, they don't know what if wants with it, we nerds know its a new body.

Also, Cap's Shield got a little bent by Carter's gun in TFA, but you can see it returning to shape very quickly
 
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Jest Chillin

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Renekton said:
Actually... I don't understand the above conversation.

Vibranium mean he can't move his mouth to talk or something?
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IIRC Vibranium is impact resistant to the point of completely absorbing any force applied against it. Cap's shield is Vibranium and he uses it to absorb the impact when he jumps out of planes with no chute. I'm sure someone else will add to or correct anything I missed or have wrong.
 
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liliththepale

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Jest Chillin said:
IIRC Vibranium is impact resistant to the point of completely absorbing any force applied against it. Cap's shield is Vibranium and he uses it to absorb the impact when he jumps out of planes with no chute. I'm sure someone else will add to or correct anything I missed or have wrong.
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Then how do you carry it? Lifting involves pushing part of it in a given direction, which is an applied force.
 
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PhoncipleBone

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Jest Chillin said:
IIRC Vibranium is impact resistant to the point of completely absorbing any force applied against it. Cap's shield is Vibranium and he uses it to absorb the impact when he jumps out of planes with no chute. I'm sure someone else will add to or correct anything I missed or have wrong.
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Shield doesn't help him jump without the chute in Winter Soldier. Cap just shrugs off hitting the ocean.
 
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Jest Chillin

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liliththepale said:
Then how do you carry it? Lifting involves pushing part of it in a given direction, which is an applied force.
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Impact resistant. Absorbs force. In the MCU it's best illustrated by Cap taking the full force of Mjolnir on his Shield without being crushed (while the blast from the impact pushed outward knocking down a bunch of trees) in Avengers.

PhoncipleBone said:
Shield doesn't help him jump without the chute in Winter Soldier. Cap just shrugs off hitting the ocean.
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The jumping without a chute I was referring to was in the comics, which I should've probably clarified. In the MCU, the shield's effectiveness is kind of wonky. Peggy shoots it (I believe) in TFA with no effect on the shield, he absorbs Mjolnir without a problem in Avengers, he gets knocked back when hit by TWS in that movie and later he survives huge fall by landing on it but it doesn't appear to absorb the entire impact of the fall as he limps away afterwards.
 
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Of course Hulk is the bad guy in this scene. Oh yeah of course, someone is messing with his mind. Again. Can't have fucking Tony Stark being the bad one here. Banner is the easy pickings.

Fuck Tony.
 
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Jest Chillin said:
Impact resistant. Absorbs force. In the MCU it's best illustrated by Cap taking the full force of Mjolnir on his Shield without being crushed (while the blast from the impact pushed outward knocking down a bunch of trees) in Avengers.
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Scientifically speaking, what's the difference between an impact force and a not impact force? Explain it like I'm five.
 
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Renekton

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WrenchNinja said:
Of course Hulk is the bad guy in this scene. Oh yeah of course, someone is messing with his mind. Again. Can't have fucking Tony Stark being the bad one here. Banner is the easy pickings.

Fuck Tony.
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If you watched the trailers, a lot of the AoU problems stemmed from Tony's skeletons.

Creation of Ultron
Stark weapons used in war in the twins' region

liliththepale said:
Scientifically speaking, what's the difference between an impact force and a not impact force? Explain it like I'm five.
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Based on inconsistent effects in MCU so far, I'm guessing the kinetic energy absorption selectively kicks in past certain J thresholds?
 
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liliththepale

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Jest Chillin said:
You want me to use real world science to explain why a made up metal from a comic universe works?
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I want you to not snap back at me as if I was missing some obvious scientific difference when there is nothing, just fantasy fiction you're supposed to just roll with.

Renekton said:
Based on inconsistent effects in MCU so far, I'm guessing the kinetic energy absorption selectively kicks in past certain J thresholds?
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Okay. That'll do.
 
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liliththepale said:
Scientifically speaking, what's the difference between an impact force and a not impact force? Explain it like I'm five.
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I guess the easiest way to think about it would probably be velocity of impact. Anything going faster than a certain speed would have its force absorbed.
 
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Frosty Droid

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Jest Chillin said:
IIRC Vibranium is impact resistant to the point of completely absorbing any force applied against it. Cap's shield is Vibranium and he uses it to absorb the impact when he jumps out of planes with no chute. I'm sure someone else will add to or correct anything I missed or have wrong.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Avymog_CEQ#t=1m28s

To quote The Winter Soldier creative team, "the shield does what we want it to." I imagine the same narrative flexibility will apply to Ultron.
 
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Jest Chillin

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Subpar Spatula said:
If it's not explained to a well enough degree it can be used as nitpicking. We can shove it under the header "comic logic" but then there's issues with the movie's logic.
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I'm not really sure how this applies to me offering a quick and dirty explanation of vibranium to give someone else context to the preceding conversation.

liliththepale said:
I want you to not snap back at me as if I was missing some obvious scientific difference when there is nothing, just fantasy fiction you're supposed to just roll with.
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I don't understand why you'd pose the original question in the first place when you seem to realize that it's "just fantasy fiction you're supposed to just roll with."

All my description was intended to do was roughly explain the general properties of vibranium as most people "know" it from the comics.
 
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Jest Chillin said:
I'm not really sure how this applies to me offering a quick and dirty explanation of vibranium to give someone else context to the preceding conversation.
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You answered the question with if he wanted a real word science explanation for a movie. I said without being explained well we can chop a lot of these issues as nitpicking and overall flaws in the movies logic which inevitably lowers the quality of the movie--which was my original point in pointing out the scene linked in which Ultron's jaw bends and goes back to normal. Even if it's not vibranium, it's just weird and probably never explained.
 
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liliththepale

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Jest Chillin said:
I don't understand why you'd pose the original question in the first place when you seem to realize that it's "just fantasy fiction you're supposed to just roll with."

All my description was intended to do was roughly explain the general properties of vibranium as most people "know" it from the comics.
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I was hoping for a different answer.
 
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Jest Chillin

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Subpar Spatula said:
You answered the question with if he wanted a real word science explanation for a movie. I said without being explained well we can chop a lot of these issues as nitpicking and overall flaws in the movies logic which inevitably lowers the quality of the movie--which was my original point in pointing out the scene linked in which Ultron's jaw bends and goes back to normal. Even if it's not vibranium, it's just weird and probably never explained.
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Looking it up, Vibranium is described in TFA as "completely vibration absorbant," which my description doesn't match.

Marvel Wiki (comics) describes it as follows:

Vibranium, through as yet unknown means, absorbs vibratory energy in its vicinity, such as sound waves, within itself. The apparent observable vibratory rate of the molecules of the Vibranium itself does not noticeably increase when the Vibranium absorbs mechanical energy. The outside vibratory energy is stored within the bonds between the molecules making up the Vibranium. As a result, a chunk of Vibranium which had absorbed a considerable amount of vibratory energy would be exceedingly hard to demolish.

Vibranium is not as hard or dense as Adamantium, but it is still very durable....Vibranium absorbs more impact than adamantium.
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I edited out some stuff that might be a bit spoilery and doesn't directly relate to describing it. In any case, my description isn't exactly accurate but I believe it ballparks how it's effect has been shown.

Edit: As for Ultron's jaw.. yeah I got nothing.
 
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Jest Chillin said:
Looking it up, Vibranium is described in TFA as "completely vibration absorbant," which my description doesn't match.

Marvel Wiki (comics) describes it as follows:
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I was specifically referring to the MCU. Saying to look here for more information about X is still a flaw in movie making. If you can't detail it well enough in the movie people will ask questions and it lowers the overall quality of the movie. While Ultron's jaw bending or Cap's shield bending is very little, there's a bunch of stuff not even touched upon and we take as faith because they're super heroes, movie magic is fading and people will see the cracks.
 
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