TeamGhobad
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They're still talking about Scarlett SoCs. what if this scarlett is the lockhart and anaconda will be revealed next e3???
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Lone Wolf
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Is that good or bad? What TF are we guessing based on that sized APU?This gave me a good chuckle. Of course you would say that.
The Project Scorpio 2016 render was to scale compared to final Xbox One X APU and showed the same APU die, RAM layout, etc. They even put the borderline corny "4K" logo in the corner of the die on their final retail version.
There's still discussion regarding the actual RAM config, but it's feasible based on the render that Scarlett/Anaconda's APU is 370-390mm² with 24GB Samsung -HC14 GDDR6 on 384-bit bus.
jonnyp
Member
If PS5 does 11-12TF, 20-24GB RAM, 1TB SSD then I'd drop £500 on it from day one.
Or maybe day 180, just in case the first batch of consoles suffer from production issues
I very much doubt either console will have that much SSD storage. They'll have enough to use it as fast cache for the game currently playing.
Personally I'll be pleased with a 370 -390 mm² APU that would be enough for 56 enabled CUs and 11-14tf of power depending on how much they want to spend on cooling and size of the box. Personally give me 14tf with the OG xbone size and loudness aka silent.
demigod
Member
Are you fucking kidding me, lmao.
TeamGhobad
Banned
not when sony has a shitty handcontroller and has the same censorship laws as saudi arabia
demigod
Member
Yet it still sold over 90million.
TeamGhobad
Banned
censorship policy is a new thing. lets see what happens.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
So power doesn't matter now according to MS insiders?!
Yeah sure
Just bear with me for a second, lets get back to the moment Sony decided to reveal PS5 what happened the next day?
DeJafuckingVu to 2013
- We had all MS insiders on twitter and Reeee downplaying PS5 despite Cerny not givong a single number.
- "Xbox is more advanced" articles started popping up.
- DF video analysis for PS5 and their famous I don't think Sony want to talk about TFs knowing what we know...Im paraphrasing here.
- Reeeee is infested with MS so called " insiders" who kept pushing the narrative of MS having two models "Lockhart" the cheap model and an all out powerhouse of "Anaconda" which will blow anything Sony does out of the water. One user started creating a power table that always shows Ana as the most powerful machine. You doubt that you will get mocked and banned.
- Narrative was Sony was scared of MS E3 so they had to say something
...MS will show the most powerful machine to grace this earth.
- Notice how the conversation is still about power from all those "insiders" ... Here come E3, snd MS has started to backtrack on power talk...then we had GI tweet about PS5 being more powerful.
- All MS shills went silent for a while....then after long silence we started having "power doesn't matter" talk from them.
- Now the narrative is "Game pass" and ecosystems
If MS does end up having the more powerful system, these insiders will again do a 180 on that.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
*Disclaimer* I'm just a gamer, so this will be massively generalized. For deep-dive you'd need B3D forum and a few hours of reading every night for about a week.
That said, Xbox One X was 360mm² on 16nm, Navi 10 5700 XT is 251mm² on 7nm with massive perf/area improvements compared to 14nm(16nm, etc). Zen 2 8-core chiplet is 70-80mm², so that leaves 310-330mm² for the GPU.
Navi 5700 XT is 251mm², 40CU, and 225W TBP. Scarlett is bigger and has a shitload of memory bandwidth(possible 24GB -HC14 on 384-bit bus). To answer your question, yes, that is really fucking good and unbelievable. My -totally pulled from my ass- hobbyist/PC gamer take is that Scarlett is probably 20% RT and tensor cores, with something like active 40/44CU. Unless Scarlett is a big box with expensive cooling(beyond simple vapor chamber) and much higher total system power consumption(X1X was ~175W total).
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Imtjnotu
Member
we really are doing some back tracking bullshit now....
Dabaus
Banned
So power doesn't matter now according to MS insiders?!
Yeah sure
Just bear with me for a second, lets get back to the moment Sony decided to reveal PS5 what happened the next day?
DeJafuckingVu to 2013
- We had all MS insiders on twitter and Reeee downplaying PS5 despite Cerny not givong a single number.
- "Xbox is more advanced" articles started popping up.
- DF video analysis for PS5 and their famous I don't think Sony want to talk about TFs knowing what we know...Im paraphrasing here.
- Reeeee is infested with MS so called " insiders" who kept pushing the narrative of MS having two models "Lockhart" the cheap model and an all out powerhouse of "Anaconda" which will blow anything Sony does out of the water. One user started creating a power table that always shows Ana as the most powerful machine. You doubt that you will get mocked and banned.
- Narrative was Sony was scared of MS E3 so they had to say something
- Notice how the conversation is still about power from all those "insiders" ... Here come E3, snd MS has started to backtrack on power talk...then we had GI tweet about PS5 being more powerful.
- All MS shills went silent for a while....then after long silence we started having "power doesn't matter" talk from them.
- Now the narrative is "Game pass" and ecosystems
Thank you for this. But i would like to point out that all the "Xbox set to dominate next gen" astroturf articles dried up as soon as the Cerny wired interview happened. The new talking point was "wait for E3." The damage control went into over drive after the article came out.
Edit: For the record, I dont care who is more powerful but i think its dumb how microsoft has basically put themselves in a corner like this. In fact, the weaker console usually ends up doing best. PS1, PS2, and DS come to mind...
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Imtjnotu
Member
your apu doesnt account for memory controllers also?
Negotiator
Member
I'll give you the top secret formula that determines if console power matters or not:
The end.
Code:
if( my_preferred_console_power > the_competitor_console_power ) {
printf("Console power matters");
} else {
printf("Console power doesn't matter");
}The end.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
LordOfChaos
Member
The problem with the caching idea is that if next gen games are tailored to take full benefit of SSDs, they'll be even slower on HDDs, and multiply that with the increase in game size. So if you hit an uncached games load times become an absolute chore.
Unless they treat the HDD as cold storage only and require you to transfer the full thing into the SSD before playing, but in that case you only have a small collection of instant play games. I guess that would still be preferable though if it's not full SSD.
Mass Shift
Member
Brad basically said "nobody knows yet" and to wait for conclusive info.
He's been spot on. And typically what I've learned is that the early leaks almost always turn out to be the most accurate. It was the same way with Durango, Scorpio and very likely will be the same with Scarlett.
The late leaks are usually the most desperate wish lists made by fanboys unwilling to accept the truth. I mean I like surprises too, but they very rarely happen in a way that changes things on the CPU/GPU end.
Ar¢tos
Member
Take your censorship cries to the several threads that already exist about it.
Your controller preference =/= everybody controller preference
SonGoku
Member
If you want current gen graphics and gameplay sure, but if that's what you want get a PC
Next gen its meant to raise the bar higher, 30fps is the sweet spot for that.
They were using old ass source engine, they announced a brand new engine. Besides they'll want to make next gen games at 60fps not last gen at 120fps
and most tvs are 60fps
With a few exceptions that won't work on consoles.
Devs target a fixed spec and design their game around that spec. They target a fps/rez and optimize their game around that. Then you have stuff like animations that break at different framerates
What if they max out the CPU at 30fps/4Kish? you won't get double the frame rate by halving resolution
The best we can go off is benchmarks to see how each arch comparesWell,how can you say how many flops in one arch are equivalent to flops in another arch if you have no idea on efficiency?
Would love to have more precise numbers but where would we get such data?
You will for challenging their hivemind if you are persistent/annoying enough about it.
You could fit 64CUs on a 380mm2 APU so 56 enabled
56CU @1540Mhz = 11TF
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Great Hair
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... it´s after e3 already Sony, when are we going to see it!!!!!!111 Don´t make us wait til december the 3rd!!! Ya better have a Ridge Racer ready for PS5, i will be taking hacking lesson from skillshare, hide my ID thanks to NordVPN and then i´m going to heck you Sony.
SonGoku
Member
For 13-14TF a 400 mm2 APU is needed 72CUs total 64 enabled
64CU @1590MHz = 13TF
64CU @1710MHz = 14TF
Which i don't see happening unless console manufacturers surprise us with 300W+ systems or 7nm EUV is ready for console launch.
nowhat
Member
Hyperbole much?
SonGoku
Member
I might be confusing you with someone else but weren't you making threads complaining about Sony censoring games?
nowhat
Member
Uhh, no. I don't believe in the slippery slope argument - thus far Sony policies have not hurt me at all. There may be a time they will, if that time comes I'll protest in some fashion.
But if I want to see anime titties, I'll head over to pornhub.com (or whatnot, the sites are plentiful).
SonGoku
Member
It will be too late then, just like not caring about mtx because it doesn't affect you yet...
TBiddy
Member
Just explaining him why he's wrong. This thread is getting ruined by the trolls from both sides.
SonGoku
Member
lol
loooooooool reera reaaaaaaaaaaaaaallly did a number on their users they are all brainwashed cultists with a few exceptions.
SpinningBirdKick
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This gave me a good chuckle. Of course you would say that.
The Project Scorpio 2016 render was to scale compared to final Xbox One X APU and showed the same APU die, RAM layout, etc. They even put the borderline corny "4K" logo in the corner of the die on their final retail version.
There's still discussion regarding the actual RAM config, but it's feasible based on the render that Scarlett/Anaconda's APU is 370-390mm² with 24GB Samsung -HC14 GDDR6 on 384-bit bus.
It's marketing material.
Some people may want to take it to heart.
I'd rather not waste my time.
ArabianPrynce
Member
Hmmm when i think about i think sony can release ps5 for 499 for early adopters then drop the price the following year. This my theory so correct me if i am wrong. Since most of the console is based around 7nm chips and that tmnc are releasing the 6nm the following year shouldnt the price go down because of that?
SonGoku
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Block 'em(fakeboys, alts, trolls, etc.).
Or you could be like...
You and I both know that's the real muthafukin deal!
ArabianPrynce
Member
I heard they are expensive
ArabianPrynce
Member
i hope the theory is solid. I am still confused as to why this didnt apply to previous generation?. Like I think even with the release of the 6nm i have a feeling the prices wont change until AMD commerializes them which will happen the following yearThey better! or a 3 fan case designed
Yep, you yoinked my theory
TeamGhobad
Banned
giving up an extra 4 CUs for yields make navi less than ideal i gotta say. how sure are we about this?
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Do you have the link for that? I don't have the best memory, but I thought it was like $15-20 for vapor chamber hs/f and Hovis tuning is another $15. Vapor chamber worked great on the Xbox One X, but it's not some alien tech, pretty weak compared to discreet AiB solutions, etc.
demigod
Member
Kids these days.
SonGoku
Member
Previous gen there was no shrink in the near future, the closest one (16nm) happened when the PS4Pro released
PlayStation and Xbox divisions were also on a tighter leash
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Obviously that was a ridiculous post over there but quite frankly I don't get involved in anything non-gaming on either site. Just not worth it.
ArabianPrynce
Member
I am sorry lol but i was skimming through era threads and i think someone mentioned that vapor coolers are expensive.
SonGoku
Member
Yep I only visist their tech threads, the rest is cancerous af very bad for the mental health and blood pressure.
I would prefer a 3 fan case design tbh
ArabianPrynce
Member
Can you elaborate on that.
And Yeah it makes so much sense dont know era or people in general are hell bent on 399. Well when i think about cant sony release it at 399 anyway with higher specs and make a profit the following year since the price drop will go down regardless?
nowhat
Member
I'm not sure I agree. I can (and do) actively boycott games with microtransactions today, especially if they're really obnoxious.
...then again, I did buy (and enjoy) DMC5, so maybe you have a point.
It's really not a serious as you think
ABrokenToy
Member
Man, Andrew Reiner sure is getting a lot of hits since E3...
TeamGhobad
Banned
its an annoyance more than anything, so far..
nowhat
Member
Just like Saudi Arabia, amirite?
SonGoku
Member
They are more expensive compared to the 5 cents cooling Sony used this gen lol
Sony took great lossess with PS3, MS took great losses with 360 and OGXB
With the advent of turd gaming (mobile) and Wiiu miserably flopping, consoles reason for existence was put under great scrutiny
This gen MS/Sony demonstrated traditional consoles are more popular than ever with huge user bases. PlayStation became one of Sonys biggest divisions.
The switch is a runaway success as well
Im not dead set on pricing but leaning towards $499
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TeamGhobad
Banned
you shook?
nowhat
Member
No, I just find it funny that one moment you're comparing Sony policies to the Saudis, and the next you're saying it's just a annoyance thus far.
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