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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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THE:MILKMAN

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HeisenbergFX4 said:
Going to throw this out there and take it for what its worth.

When Jez and Dan said this they were 100% correct that at the time the current PS5 DKs were in running very hot and loud and in fact were crashing.

It was around May when the revised DKs got the thermals under control and started running silent and I even shared that fact around that time here on this very thread.
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The saddest thing is if you read the original 'report' by Jeff Rickel that Dan quotes there (see below) it is clearly referring to the retail console as he talks about Sony redesigning the form factor.

That post was bad back in April but now it is just ridiculous.

 
Imtjnotu

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SlimySnake said:
Nope. I see dozens and dozens of youtube videos of load times comparison like the one i just quoted. I have yet to see a single one of these from Sony. Demon Souls is literally the only game demo we have seen that shows load times on a PS5.


its funny. I remember people on gaf mocking the PS5 calling it PSSD5 because of Sony's focus on SSD. And yet here we are at launch, and Sony is mum on SSD while thats pretty much all MS can show off besides BC.
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Show me one Xbox series x game that showcases the SSD. I'll wait
 
Jaguar Victory

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Sinthor said:
Well, what's your explanation for MS divesting itself of so many studios this past generation? Lionhead ring a bell among others? I'm just saying I don't think they are stupid. And you mention two games, Halo and Gears. Halo infinite was meant for the XB1 and 1X but didn't make it so got switched over. Obvious issues there. What's the explanation for just suddenly buying up a bunch of studios that won't even have games read for another 2-3 years if all goes well? I just don't think Microsoft is incompetent, so I think there's another reason. Why are they reportedly so far behind with the hardware and devkits as well? Did they just 'panic and throw together' plans for the X1X like people love to say about Sony? No....that wouldn't make sense either.

So I haven't seen you present anything that would invalidate what I was suggesting MIGHT be a possibility. Of course, I can't prove it either. Everyone has to admit though, that Microsoft's planning for this coming generation seems to be seriously off. There's gotta be a reason.
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You know the Series X has been in development for 4 years now right? The story of Spencer asking Nadella to "shit or get off the pot" has been well documented. When Phil took over MS doubled down on gaming because he presented a sound strategy for success. Using the growth logic when you consider how many studios team XBOX added over the past 3 years compared to what Sony has done to its first party if they were starting from scratch the trend line would be appallingly skewed towards XBOX being the aggressive competitor. Unfortunately, however, they started from behind but are working diligently to become content kings. 4 years ago to today is night and day. We have competition in the space again. Its a win for everyone.
 
HeisenbergFX4

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THE:MILKMAN said:
The saddest thing is if you read the original 'report' by Jeff Rickel that Dan quotes there (see below) it is clearly referring to the retail console as he talks about Sony redesigning the form factor.

That post was bad back in April but now it is just ridiculous.

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Well they were going by what they thought was going to be the retail version as the DKs around that time were a sleeker version of what everyone else had seen.

Thus everyone, including myself, thought this was close to a retail product.
 
Sinthor

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Jaguar Victory said:
You know the Series X has been in development for 4 years now right? The story of Spencer asking Nadella to "shit or get off the pot" has been well documented. When Phil took over MS doubled down on gaming because he presented a sound strategy for success. Using the growth logic when you consider how many studios team XBOX added over the past 3 years compared to what Sony has done to its first party if they were starting from scratch the trend line would be appallingly skewed towards XBOX being the aggressive competitor. Unfortunately, however, they started from behind but are working diligently to become content kings. 4 years ago to today is night and day. We have competition in the space again. Its a win for everyone.
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I totally agree. I just think that's more evidence that MS was at best doing not much or at worst, going to get out of things, before that Phil conversation and decision. That explains more what you note with them adding studios over the past few years. Unfortunately, it put them in a SERIOUS catch up situation, but I agree- in the end strong competition helps drive innovation. I hope it works out for them!
 
splattered

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HeisenbergFX4 said:
Well they were going by what they thought was going to be the retail version as the DKs around that time were a sleeker version of what everyone else had seen.

Thus everyone, including myself, thought this was close to a retail product.
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Thank you for being open and honest about this since you have actual insight on the issue.

These forums are starting to feel unbearable again with the constant bashing and screaming about FUD.

Our consoles are so close people just focus on the one(s) you enjoy and let others do the same.
 
iamvin22

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Larryfox said:
Really depends on how much you want demon souls because from reading what you wrote that’s the only reason for you to get a ps5. You could also play your ps4 backlog of games on ps5, they should run and look better too. I’d probably get a Xbox if I was you and just wait until more exclusives on ps5 that interest you to come out.
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I believe the pre-installed mini game does exactly what you are talking about. Has levels specific to the ssd, gpu, audio and one other but I forgot
 
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Sony should really update their PS Now page.
 
sircaw

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DaGwaphics said:
Yes, you did not bow before the fudd master, it is only I who should be allowed to spread nonsense truth, in here.

Seriously, I was just asking you a follow up to see if there was any legitimate/verifiable reports of overheating or if this was all never-never land silliness at this point.
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and now liking me to Trump?

You want me to wear a mask don't you, you are calling me some sort of super spreader.

My beautiful gnashers offend you?

You will not silence me, i will blow bubbles all day, and not the Michale Jackson one either, :messenger_grinning:
 
Nowcry

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Garani said:
Let me get it straight. Are you comparing a game that loads 4k textures with a BC game that has old and smaller textures? Please enlighten me.
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He is comparing a game whose maximum VRAM used is approximately 5 GB or less, versus another game that is possibly close to 10 GB.

One changes in 0.88 s and another changes in 3.5 s. And he thinks it is equivalent ............
 
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iamvin22 said:
I believe the pre-installed mini game does exactly what you are talking about. Has levels specific to the ssd, gpu, audio and one other but I forgot
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I’m assuming you quoted the wrong post of mine but yeah Astrooom does that but I don’t think it does it for ray tracing
 
Aceofspades

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Trogdor1123 said:
I'm really waffling between which system I want and I'm hoping I can get some help here. Looking for blunt facts, not fanboy stuff.

I can't decide on an x or a ps5. The ps5 has easily my most wanted game (Demon's souls) but other than that I'm not sure what else I'd get it for. I don't care about spider man, or any of the other launch games and still have a huge PS4 backlog. I have plus and now for almost another year each as well if that matters. Also, the PS4 is god awful ugly but that really isn't a huge factor. I really really like Bethesda games so that's an issue. Really like the PS4 controller too.

Xbox on the other hand would be entirely new to me. I'd buy the financed version as it is cheaper to do that up here in Canada. I'd get loads of games I never played as I have never owned an Xbox. Don't really like the Xbox controller either. The Bethesda games are like great also as I have said.

BC is actually pretty important to me and ms seems to be ahead of the curve on this.

Money is not an issue in this discussion but I really only have the time to play one.

I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts. Im leaning ps5 only for Demon's souls but with the lack of information from Sony I'm kinda unsure.
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Get PS5, your PS4 backlog will carry and you still have Plus and now subscription. Its a no brainier man
 
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Angel of BOOM! said:
It won't be the first time that DevKits have overheated...
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But do you see any journalists, above all from those more nearby to Sony, spreading the news about XSX getting super hot?. And we are talking about the final console design... MS's style is that and is what many people dont like, as it is a fud style promoted from upwards. Makes reading Sony news unbearable many times. In every piece of news you can find spreading fud.
 
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THE:MILKMAN

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HeisenbergFX4 said:
Well they were going by what they thought was going to be the retail version as the DKs around that time were a sleeker version of what everyone else had seen.

Thus everyone, including myself, thought this was close to a retail product.
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Well I never believed for a second that dev kit design would be the basis of the retail console! Never has been the case the dev kit = retail for any console AFAIK? Just look at the PS3 1st dev kit ('Shreck') and launch PS3 for the massive evolution in 18 months....

Just the whole tone of that Jeff Rickel post reads like I hear Dealer when he loses it on RDX! For Dan and then Jez to jump on such a bad post and run with it just fuels the fanboy crap IMO.
 
3liteDragon

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Aceofspades said:
I doubt either PS5 or XSX has that. Microsoft already disclosed their Specs at Hot chips. Sony did the "Road to PS5" in march. 95% of specs are known to everyone . The remaining 5% are the details of the known parts of PS5 GPU, CPU and SSD.

Edit: by details I mean L1 L2 and L3 caches, RT figures, cache scrubbers details and other I/O full dive.
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Wonder what those “large number of benefits” are to mitigate the issue of system memory being behind the GPU in cycles due to it’s high frequency... 👀

 
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THE:MILKMAN said:
Well I never believed for a second that dev kit design would be the basis of the retail console! Never has been the case the dev kit = retail for any console AFAIK? Just look at the PS3 1st dev kit ('Shreck') and launch PS3 for the massive evolution in 18 months....

Just the whole tone of that Jeff Rickel post reads like I hear Dealer when he loses it on RDX! For Dan and then Jez to jump on such a bad post and run with it just fuels the fanboy crap IMO.
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Exactly.
 
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Angel of BOOM!

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amstradcpc said:
But do you see any journalists, above all from those more nearby to Sony, spreading the news about XSX getting super hot?. And we are talking about the final console design... MS's style is that and is what many people dont like, as it is a fud style promoted from upwards. Makes reading Sony news unbearable many times. In every piece of news you can find spreading fud.
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If you're referring to the XBsX kits that are out in the wild then - yes - that is arguably a little concerning. Obviously someone saying it feels hot is pretty subjective. The key will be whether this impacts the running/stability of the device. However, this late in the design you'd think they'd have nailed any issues (unless those kits they sent out were not final and that MS were aware that this could happen - why wouldn't they have mentioned this under NDA if that was the case?)
 
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SportsFan581

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sircaw said:
and now liking me to Trump?

You want me to wear a mask don't you, you are calling me some sort of super spreader.

My beautiful gnashers offend you?

You will not silence me, i will blow bubbles all day, and not the Michale Jackson one either, :messenger_grinning:
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:messenger_tears_of_joy:

I don't know where you are from, but it's a running joke in the US that right wingers will cry about the left trying to "shut them up" or threaten their freedom of speech any time a dissenting view is presented (note that they cry about their inability to be heard on their respective Radio/TV/YT channels getting millions of views/listeners). I disagreed with you and asked a question and you responded with the yarn about me demanding a safe space and trying to stifle discussion, etc. It was just a joke for the lolz.

People are free to post whatever new conspiracies speculations they want. The Xbox fans will call out the obvious BS the same as the Sony fans do. It is what it is.
 
Garani

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Nowcry said:
You are comparing a game whose maximum VRAM used is approximately 5 GB or less, versus another game that is possibly close to 10 GB.
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I am not, someone else is. I am not into SSD speed warring, I don't have to defend a position or a story telling, and I said time and time again that healthy competition drives consumer value.

Of course I will not buy a XBox, I have no investment into the ecosystem, but I find it odd when someone compares oranges and apples.
 
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Nowcry

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Garani said:
I am not, someone else is. I am not into SSD speed warring, I don't have to defend a position or a story telling, and I said time and time again that healthy competition drives consumer value.

Of course I will not buy a XBox, I have no investment into the ecosystem, but I find it odd when someone compares oranges and apples.
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I have edited because I think I have not correctly put the subjects in the previous message.
 
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HeisenbergFX4

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THE:MILKMAN said:
Well I never believed for a second that dev kit design would be the basis of the retail console! Never has been the case the dev kit = retail for any console AFAIK? Just look at the PS3 1st dev kit ('Shreck') and launch PS3 for the massive evolution in 18 months....

Just the whole tone of that Jeff Rickel post reads like I hear Dealer when he loses it on RDX! For Dan and then Jez to jump on such a bad post and run with it just fuels the fanboy crap IMO.
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I can show this fan render that was damn close to a picture I have of the sleeker DKs of which I would have been happy with this as a retail unit.


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HeisenbergFX4 said:
I can show this fan render that was damn close to a picture I have of the sleeker DKs of which I would have been happy with this as a retail unit.


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That's actually more beautiful than the current retail kit. Although it's not beautiful, there were better fan renders.
 
sircaw

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DaGwaphics said:
:messenger_tears_of_joy:

I don't know where you are from, but it's a running joke in the US that right wingers will cry about the left trying to "shut them up" or threaten their freedom of speech any time a dissenting view is presented (note that they cry about their inability to be heard on their respective Radio/TV/YT channels getting millions of views/listeners). I disagreed with you and asked a question and you responded with the yarn about me demanding a safe space and trying to stifle discussion, etc. It was just a joke for the lolz.

People are free to post whatever new conspiracies speculations they want. The Xbox fans will call out the obvious BS the same as the Sony fans do. It is what it is.
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Totally agree, and people should not see the danger in every criticism of their favorite brand and try not to rush out and defend said billionaire company with horse and lance.

and i am from West Virginia for your information. :messenger_grinning:
 
SportsFan581

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kourooshkabir said:
it comes back to normal temperature (stand-by without any games in background) in just 5 minutes (7° | 44.6 f)
7° | 44.6 f :messenger_mr_smith_who_are_you_going_to_call:
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Either the unit has some liquid coolant in the mix and doubles as an air conditioner or the temps are over ambient, which would put exhaust heat at over 200 degrees in a normal setting. Don't put the XSX near the drapes. Unless we are talking actual silicone temp, where a 114 under load would be amazing, but the 44 at idle would need some nitrogen. I wonder if this person actually has an XSX, me thinks no.
 
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