HoofHearted
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Yep.. was in that queue.. still no dice... and I was there right when it opened up...
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Yep.. was in that queue.. still no dice... and I was there right when it opened up...
Crazychipmunx
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I wonder if XsX could add some boost/variable clock profiles, in the future for devs to choose. Been enjoying the memes and fanboy rage.
I have both consoles so I’d hope the XsX can some day GET ITS BALLS BACK.
Smartshift requires special silicone that Xbox series s doesn't have.
3liteDragon
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This post aged well...
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Interesting counterpoint I will need to check again some numbers to see if that always add up.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
He still has over 11 months.
MasterCornholio
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Angelcurio
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It almost instantly gives you a wait time of more than an hour, and yet each and every time the console goes out of stock just 10 to 15 minutes later.
Finem Orientis
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This was going to be the stupidest tweet I've ever read, but then I read Chris Granell's reply. Do people not realize that RDNA2 doesn't just add features, but also adds perf/watt improvements that let it run faster on the same code vs RDNA1? Why the fuck would RDNA2 exist if it required devs to code specifically for it in order to show improved performance. Xbox Twitter gets dumber by the day
Yoboman
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I can't remember a Nintendo system I've owned that didn't have a game drought at some pointMan this was a very sad year for Nintendo in that aspect, in sales is other story, I mean Xbox is used to have
bad/meh years in reviews but not Nintendo
Insane Metal
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PS5 launch event is Live on PS Brazil. They're having a drawing for 6 PS5's. I just tried for the first one. Cheer for me GAF
Hawking Radiation
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Has anyone played Last Of Us 2 on PS5 yet?
EDIT: Never mind. Found something
Last Of Us 2 (PS4 Pro VS PS5)
EDIT: Never mind. Found something
Last Of Us 2 (PS4 Pro VS PS5)
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Dave_at_Home
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Yoboman
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Holding out for a GOTY patch personally
Doncabesa
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Been too busy having fun playing games to bother visiting many forums.
yewles1
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Like I said elsewhere, they're about as cracked as cocaine rocks.
Hawking Radiation
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OOF!!Regarding all the talk about Xbox dev tools maturity, Fafalada (game dev and long-time member here and other boards) said on Ree that GDK/gamecore is more mature than all previous Xbox generations SDKs at launch. And also better than what other consoles had at launch in the past. Basically another source corroborating what the Dirt 5 developer has said about Xbox dev tools.
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The hits. They keep on comin'
Lunatic_Gamer
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That would be a great foursome.
Snowdonhoffen
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Self High Five
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Despite Series X & PS5 being so close architecturally, the comparison is not exactly 1:1. Example, Series X has a higher Tflop count but also has a slower GPU clock wise. It's fast and narrow vs slow and wide.
A verified dev explains more (PS5 having a few hardware advantage despite being less powerful overall):
PS5 dev tools are more mature at the moment and the Series X should win most of the face offs in the future, but the differences will be negligible and the PS5 has it's own hardware advantages as well which will show up throughout this gen.
Can we talk about missed oportunities?
As both consoles are completely sold out, the PS5 will apparently jump ahead simple because Sony put out more units.
So for MS we have:
- Missed opportunity of an early lead;
- Missed opportunity of having better tools (if you believe in this, of course);
- Missed opportunity of having some exclusive launch games;
None of those affect the final product, but they really need to step up their game. Because stuff like that will make they loose momentum for no reason.
As both consoles are completely sold out, the PS5 will apparently jump ahead simple because Sony put out more units.
So for MS we have:
- Missed opportunity of an early lead;
- Missed opportunity of having better tools (if you believe in this, of course);
- Missed opportunity of having some exclusive launch games;
None of those affect the final product, but they really need to step up their game. Because stuff like that will make they loose momentum for no reason.
ethomaz
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Match doesn’t works.Dirt 5 PS5 Haptics Will Be Redone; Dev Says Series X I/O Can Push Over 5GB/s Uncompressed
The developer revealed that the racing game recently released by Codemasters will get an overhaul of the PS5 haptics.
The conversation then veered off towards Xbox Series X and whether Dirt 5 could receive further improvements.
When asked why Microsoft would advertise the lower 2.4GB/s figure for raw I/O throughput, he explained that's without optimizing for fast storage.
Dirt 5 PS5 Haptics Will Be Redone; Dev Says Series X I/O Can Push Over 5GB/s Uncompressed
Dirt 5 Technical Director David Springate talked about his experience with Xbox Series X fast storage and said PS5 haptics will be redone.wccftech.com
10GB in 2 seconds = 5GB/s.
He said raw and no compressed.
Series X takes a bit over 4 seconds to fill 10GB/s.
ArcaneNLSC
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HoofHearted
Member
Yep... I learned at least time to monitor the API so that once it goes out of stock I won’t waste time in the queue.
Great Hair
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ethomaz
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It is being impossible to subscribe in their site.PS5 launch event is Live on PS Brazil. They're having a drawing for 6 PS5's. I just tried for the first one. Cheer for me GAF
Edit - Ohhhh they put some nice ads in the building at Paulista... I'm not going there anymore due the pandemic (I work for a company in Sao Paulo so each 15 days I go there but the last time was in February).
Edit 2 - Everybody talks about the Dual Sense.
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FrankWza
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Perfect!
MistBreeze
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happy ps5 launch day
carloseduardocd
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Imtjnotu
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imma rebump this post lol
WhispersintheWind
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OOF!!
The hits. They keep on comin'
GDK wasn’t late. Issues and bugs with features and getting them up and running was the issue. Velocity Architecture wasn’t fully available to devs to middle of August. The CPU patch to the api that activated SmT for CPU was mid September. Dev’s didn’t have as many debug consoles as they wanted. Because of Covid Microsoft set up remote cpu to access debug console for devs and that didn’t run well. Some PC’s with GDK Api didn’t emulate Xbox series X features well. It was a bunch of issues.
From what I heard from DEV’s Xbox Series X is running at Launch around 70% optimized. While PS5 is running around 90% optimized. And before fanboys and console warriors start beating their chests. Even IF Xbox Series X was Optimized another 20% doesn’t mean that scales to 20% better.
Imtjnotu
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
PS5 launch event is Live on PS Brazil. They're having a drawing for 6 PS5's. I just tried for the first one. Cheer for me GAF
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If Microsoft don't use just the TFLOPS to compare Xbox Series X GPU to the Xbox One & Xbox One X why is everyone else using it to compare it to PS5 ?
They only claim a 4-6X raw GPU advantage over Xbox One while having 9X TFLOPS advantage , The triangles rate advantage is the part that bring it down to 4 -6X the raw GPU output & PS5 actually has the advantage in triangle & pixel fill rate so why do people keep using the Xbox Series X GPU...
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Three Jackdaws
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Seem's plausible but good lord are there a LOT of excuses and all coming from reliable sources which is even more interesting, not to mention a lot of them are conflicting as well. like GDK's getting sent out late but then people saying they're not getting sent out late, early and inefficient API's and lack of toolsets but then developers saying API's are completely fine.
I have a feeling all of them have some truth in them but at the same time can't help but think it must be a real shit show at Microsoft/Xbox department. who knows.
aclar00
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Dont know why your comment reminded me of this scene in Friday, too good to pass up...Craig ain't got no game and PS5 shittin' on all of 'em...lol... i kid i kid
Edit: scene instead of seen, lol.... and pass instead of past...geez i need to go back to school.
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itsnotme
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Just tracked my PS5 and it's sitting in my local post office 
man I could go an get it right now! Going to go sleep should have it in the morning by the time I wake up can't wait! Thanks for the entertainment guys truly saved me though quarantine. Hopefully the thread can stay open otherwise we could turn this to a PS5 pro and Xbox one series 720+ discussion thread just update OP xD
man I could go an get it right now! Going to go sleep should have it in the morning by the time I wake up can't wait! Thanks for the entertainment guys truly saved me though quarantine. Hopefully the thread can stay open otherwise we could turn this to a PS5 pro and Xbox one series 720+ discussion thread just update OP xDChris_Rivera
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Variable/boost clocks should be baked in Zen 2 though right?
Lysandros
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I always value Matt's input but he isn't infaillible. Until quite recently he was saying things like "PS5 will run games at 15%, 20%, 25% lower resolutions [...]" or "PS5 clock frequency advantage will not bridge the gap with the compute difference, not even close [...]" etc. Now he says that Cerny wasn't lying after all and there can be 'some' benefits.. He still leans heavily on the API arguement apparently, let's see what the future brings...Despite Series X & PS5 being so close architecturally, the comparison is not exactly 1:1. Example, Series X has a higher Tflop count but also has a slower GPU clock wise. It's fast and narrow vs slow and wide.
A verified dev explains more (PS5 having a few hardware advantage despite being less powerful overall):
PS5 dev tools are more mature at the moment and the Series X should win most of the face offs in the future, but the differences will be negligible and the PS5 has it's own hardware advantages as well which will show up throughout this gen.
Edit: One can check quotes in question from his post history at Resetera.
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WhispersintheWind
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Early GDK API software wasn’t late, just buggy and unfinished. Debug consoles where late getting out.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It's pretty crazy when you put it like that. What's shocking to me is that they were the first ones to announce next gen consoles way back in 2018. thats 2.5 years ago. So what I dont understand is why they are the ones so far behind. 2.5 years is plenty of time to get some launch games ready. if not launch games, at least games in the first year. they themselves now say they are at least 2-3 years away. why is forza in early pre-production. isnt that an oxymoron? pre-production by definition is early production, so they are early in their early production? when is that game even releasing?
how are you not gonna show up with at least realtime in game trailers 2 years after announcing your consoles? they had nothing but cgi for their big aaa games.
I think Phil simply has to go. He has spent a lot of money and just completely failed at delivering. now they are talking about releasing bethesda games on other consoles? like then what is the point of buying up an entire publisher if you are going to let them be a multiplat publisher anyway?
that said, i do think MS is in a much better spot than they were last gen. last gen they sold almost a million in their first month and actually beat out the ps4 in NA in december because the ps4 was out of stock. where they failed was being competitive after the holiday season. PS4 came back into stock and people just stopped buying the xbox one until they removed kinect and dropped the price by a $100. they cannot do that this time, but i dont think they need to. we shall see how well the series s sells after the holiday period.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Zen 2 is a CPU architecture. The PS5 variable clocks is a GPU feature. One that requires specific control logic to be designed into the silicon from the outset. So no XSX won’t ever be able to enable it unless they redesign their entire APU (never gonna happen).
Best to just accept it and move on. Clinging to hopes and dreams of stuff that’s totally unrealistic is unhealthy. You risk falling into the same category as those twitter xbox loons that we always point and laugh at here.
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Three Jackdaws
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Agreed, he's contradicted himself a few times now and keeps saying different stuff.
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Three Jackdaws
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from what I understand, smart shift as well as variable frequency including high clocks have to be baked into the silicon at a very early stage and is not a matter of just flicking the switch.
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Three Jackdaws
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So finally today we can close this thread and simply enjoy games?
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