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FrankWza
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Also, quietly confident is a long way down from “most powerful console ever”
FrankWza
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thats a big sacrifice. And doesnt LG produce the panels in the Sony Oled? Either way, that’s not a comparison. You would need to have both displays side by side with everything equal in order to determine one being superior to the other.
sircaw
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Yep, its just tiring, this is why this forum thread ended up like it did, with the huge backlash against Microsoft fanboys.
This shit needs to end and Microsoft seriously needs to rethink their strategy.
Hopefully going forward they learn but yer, don't count on it.
ethomaz
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I agree Tom is only doing it for attention whore.
While Matt helped to build the PS5 "most powerful console".
Being serious now... the Tom article is not what I can call Job.
It is basically a PR defense control.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
We heard the "dev kits were later than Sony" thing since like... last year... the rumor was PS5 dev kits were late and a bunch of "insiders" debunked it.
What the dirt dev said didn't even contradict that; and in fact.. he basically confirms it.
He also praised the stability and availability of tools compared to last gen.. but none of that contradicts the other rumors that Sony's kits came many months before Microsofts.
The real point here is nobody knows either way if any of this will mean XSX will improve more than PS5 will. Sony's SDKs, APIs and tools can improve over time as well. Sony's product is performing better at launch... the rest is just speculation.
What the dirt dev said didn't even contradict that; and in fact.. he basically confirms it.
He also praised the stability and availability of tools compared to last gen.. but none of that contradicts the other rumors that Sony's kits came many months before Microsofts.
The real point here is nobody knows either way if any of this will mean XSX will improve more than PS5 will. Sony's SDKs, APIs and tools can improve over time as well. Sony's product is performing better at launch... the rest is just speculation.
TheGejsza
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Can you elaborate on ALLM and how samsung kills Image quality? Or give some links? Can't find anything about ALLM
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Banned
Any truth to the rumor one of the ps5 ram modules isnt covered by heatsink and could give issues in warmer states? I thought the heatsink covered all relevant chips.
Setsuna Mudou
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Except... one of them was actually an engineer working on one of the next gen consoles and has deep knowledge on the subject, while the other is a glorified astroturfer.
I'll let you figure out which one is which
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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I think allm is automatic low latency mode. Might be wrong though.
Some newer tvs detect input and engage in low latency mode without you having to switch modes manually.
Dave_at_Home
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I don't really think it's that much of a sacrifice. Once cross-gen support is done, you can kiss 120hz games goodbye. We may get a handful of titles here and there that support 120 in the future, but it's back to the focus of 30/60. VRR is also supported on 2.0. Also, yes, LG does produce the panels that Sony buys, but Sony has a far superior image processor. Many reviews support this.
ethomaz
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ALLM is a feature that turn on automatically the Game Mode... so it indeed remove all the image processing TVs do to make the image better in favor of better display lag.
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Dave_at_Home
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ALLM isn't really anything special. It just makes sure the TV is in its game mode. Full-array local-dimming sets usually suffer from game mode. This is due to image processing being cut down in order to prioritize input lag. This typically means full-array sets lose out on contrast. Some manufactures do it better than others. Sony has usually done well in game mode and I know Samsung has made some firmware updates that improve their image quality in game mode. OLED doesn't suffer in image quality while in game mode due to the self-emitting nature. The potential for burn-in is a whole other story. Just make sure you're doing research before you buy.
kyliethicc
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kyliethicc
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Its a useless feature. It just puts the TV into game mode for you.
The PS4 does not support ALLM but when I plugged my PS4 Pro into my TV, it recognized it was a PS4 and asked me if I wanted to enable game mode. Now it just keeps it on all the time for that HDMI input. Simple.
3liteDragon
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GRAIN OF SALT.
kyliethicc
Member
what the fuck is this tweeter? who
ethomaz
Banned
GT7 in 2021 is not a secret anymore.
3liteDragon
Member
Apparently senior software engineer for 30 years, he's followed by people like RGT, Leviathan Gamer, and a dev from Insomniac. But like I said, grain of salt.
sircaw
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i could be wrong is this not the guy that goes on dealers podcast
FrankWza
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30/60? Shit, I hope not. As far as I know about the lg can Sony processor, I thought the Sony handled movies better because of post effects and lg didn’t have those which made it better for gaming because less lag was present since there was nothing added to help the imaging like on the Sony.
Dave_at_Home
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Matt is not incorrect here and Microsoft knows it too. PS5 obviously doesn't have DirectX12 features, but it does have those same features Sony has patented for use in PS5. See geometry engine.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Dave_at_Home
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Sony's focus is to be more of a boutique movie going experience when it comes to the highest-end sets. It's not so much post processing effects as much as it is making sure it produces the original intent of the director. Input lag is low but not as low as LG. I'm sure if Sony wanted to they could release a firmware update to get it even lower in game mode. Still an overall great experience either way.
Insane Metal
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I lost the link, but did you guys see? ACV is getting an update with several fixed and the introduction of image quality / performance modes.
saintjules
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KingT731
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That's a sizeable patch
- Xbox Series X|S: ~5.3 GB
- Xbox One: ~4.9 GB
- PlayStation 5: ~2.5 GB
- PlayStation 4: ~4.1 GB
- PC: ~4.3 GB
SSfox
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Just rewatched Road To PS5 (it's like 6th time now lol), and everytime i notice something new i missed in my last view (i mean there is quite some stuffs in this video)
It make me think, i wonder if the what we seen in Dirt 5 have something to do with Cache Scrubbers
It make me think, i wonder if the what we seen in Dirt 5 have something to do with Cache Scrubbers
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Insane Metal
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MasterCornholio
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Just rewatched Road To PS5 (it's like 6th time now lol), and everytime i notice something new i missed in my last view (i mean there is quite some stuffs in this video)
It make me think, i wonder if the what we seen in Dirt 5 have something to do with Cache Scrubbers
What do you mean?
I know the basics behind cache scrubbers. Just want to know what you think it's really affecting in the game.
SSfox
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From what i understand (if i'm not wrong) Cache Scrubbers were added to PS5 to avoid hurting GPU performances when there is some data stuffs going on. (not sure which one exactly, transfer data or comparess data ect), so that may be the reason there's some big differences in some shots in Dirt 5, not 100% sure tho just speculating
There is so much into the I/O unit, i personally never considered how bottlenecks can affect this much game development, and Mark Cerny seems understood that and literally did everything to remove all of them, and it's something never done before on any console now thinking about it, which was not either that easy thing to do, but seems to achieve it?!!
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sircaw
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HoofHearted
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SSfox
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Hopefully the 100th will be release in 6 month when i'll buy the game tho
Viking Warrior
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The cache on the PS5 is unified,this brings speed and efficiency to the GPU and CPU, unified cache eliminates the duplication of data normally held in the cache.Cache scrubbers allows you to eliminate only the data you need to remove and keep the rest.
TLZ
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Does it only have one mode? I thought it already has two.I lost the link, but did you guys see? ACV is getting an update with several fixed and the introduction of image quality / performance modes.
Edit: Nevermind, just saw the other thread.
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Yoboman
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I like how open they are being on the next info drop. Much preferable to game companies going into silence
Pantz
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Dave_at_Home
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From my basic understanding, GPU caching is many times inefficient when compared to CPU caching, and as a result the GPU is hitting the memory much more frequently. This hurts bandwidth which in turn hurts performance. GPU cache scrubbers improve caching efficiency which means less bandwidth hogging.
The real question here is, are the GPU cache scrubbers sort of like infinity cache? Someone here with more knowledge will have to explain.
The real question here is, are the GPU cache scrubbers sort of like infinity cache? Someone here with more knowledge will have to explain.
M1chl
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Nah, you don't switch to different tools mid-game, that would be suicide for the game this scale.someone's gotta say it - <ahem> ... tools?
LivingD3AD
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So their fix for disastrous 60fps performance and screen tearing storm on Series X is 30fps lock
jose4gg
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HoofHearted
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Perhaps higher quality textures then..
Kidding aside - it is very interesting the size difference in patches (for X|S vs PS5 - nearly double)...
It will be interesting to see if DF and other sites do a follow-up and if the previously noted issues have been addressed... as well as if there are any true notable performance improvements...
Who watches that vid 6 timesJust rewatched Road To PS5 (it's like 6th time now lol), and everytime i notice something new i missed in my last view (i mean there is quite some stuffs in this video)
It make me think, i wonder if the what we seen in Dirt 5 have something to do with Cache Scrubbers
don’t you have a Ps5? Proof in your home? It was all PR. In games it can be anything.
BruceWayneIII
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From what I understand, the GPU has several caches. If a part of one of the caches changes, that cache needs to be flushed and the GPU has to refetch data. The cache scrubbers only invalidates a part of the cache, thus requiring less refetching. Better utilization of bandwidth (memory and cache). Someone in invalidate my post, if I am wrong
Sealord of Braavos
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I’ll preface this scenario by saying it’s HIGHLY unlikely but can you IMAGINE if the Series X version of Valhalla actually ran better than the PS5 version after this patch? Has a forum ever spontaneously combusted before? 
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