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[IntentionalPun]

Nah... they knew the strategy from the outset.

If the intent was to make every Zenimax game Xbox exclusive, there would be no need for them to also buy the Zenimax publishing functions. MGS replicates this, meaning including Zenimax publishing would be wholly redundant. They would have gone after the studios alone, which would have meant buying the whole, dissolving the publishing functions and rolling the studios under MGS (or dissolving MGS publishing functions and rolling their existing MGS studios under Zenimax publishing).

We already know from the regulator proposal submission that the intent is to keep the whole of Zenimax as a wholly owned subsidiary under MS. So the mere fact of them retaining the publishing functions of Zenimax wholesale, strongly indicates their intent for continued multiplatform publishing. The whole deal would have been structured differently otherwise.

Yeah I also would find the idea of buying a publisher and keeping them in tact odd if the plan was to make them all Xbox.

My point was more about any given individual game or even studio.. they may pull some games/studios under the Xbox umbrella exclusively.

I could see for instance actually BGS being XBox exclusive for various reasons, including their long history with Microsoft and sucking at multi-platform development lol

 

[ksdixon]

 

[iamvin22]

Jade Raymond leading AC development, yeah, totally hasn't been a huge success for Ubisoft. Do you have more gems you want to tell us?

She did nothing at EA and nothing at stadia

 

[mitchman]

She did nothing at EA and nothing at stadia

EA - Sims Online. Stadia, who knows as they shut it down. Please continue demonstrating your ignorance and misogynism into this "nothing".

 

[3liteDragon]

 

[assurdum]

They weren't so obsessed at the Xbox one time. But, you know, war never changes.

 

[M1chl]

oh dear tweeter storm in progress.

Off to :somewhere:

 

[SlimySnake]

lol i love his channel.

60 fps vs 120 fps is definitely not as big of a difference as going from 30 to 60. Especially if you are playing third person games or are using controllers instead of mice and keyboard. I have been playing Dirt 5 in 120 fps because the 60 fps modes have that awful stuttering on PS5, but I genuinely cant tell.

The only time I ever felt a big difference between 60 and 120 fps was when i played cod warzone and MW at 120 fps after playing it at 60 against console players. There is little to no aim assist on PC so snapping to targets in MP is pretty much impossible with controllers on PC. But once I bought a 120 fps monitor, I immediately got better even without the aim assist.

I think 60 fps is smooth enough for most games especially if you have a controller. if you use 10 sensitivity like these fortnite kids then 120 fps might be the way to go.

 

[FranXico]

Yeah I also would find the idea of buying a publisher and keeping them in tact odd if the plan was to make them all Xbox.

My point was more about any given individual game or even studio.. they may pull some games/studios under the Xbox umbrella exclusively.

I could see for instance actually BGS being XBox exclusive for various reasons, including their long history with Microsoft and sucking at multi-platform development lol

Nothing strange there. Most of the Zenimax structure is being preserved for logistic convenience.

 

[HoofHearted]

lol i love his channel.

60 fps vs 120 fps is definitely not as big of a difference as going from 30 to 60. Especially if you are playing third person games or are using controllers instead of mice and keyboard. I have been playing Dirt 5 in 120 fps because the 60 fps modes have that awful stuttering on PS5, but I genuinely cant tell.

The only time I ever felt a big difference between 60 and 120 fps was when i played cod warzone and MW at 120 fps after playing it at 60 against console players. There is little to no aim assist on PC so snapping to targets in MP is pretty much impossible with controllers on PC. But once I bought a 120 fps monitor, I immediately got better even without the aim assist.

I think 60 fps is smooth enough for most games especially if you have a controller. if you use 10 sensitivity like these fortnite kids then 120 fps might be the way to go.

or.. the girl simply could be that much better than the boy at fortnite..

 

[iamvin22]

EA - Sims Online. Stadia, who knows as they shut it down. Please continue demonstrating your ignorance and misogynism into this "nothing".

Sims online was already established. Try harder.

 

[Neo Blaster]

That Sony payroll is doing circles.
DLSS and all that

Sony have acquired 2% of Epic and now they are his employers? Gotta love that stretching.

 

[FranXico]

That Sony payroll is doing circles.
DLSS and all that

2%. Wow.

 

[FranXico]

They weren't so obsessed at the Xbox one time. But, you know, war never changes.

Indeed, returns only diminish when it's xbox with lower resolution it seems.

 

[3liteDragon]

That Sony payroll is doing circles.
DLSS and all that

Funny that there’s people still going with this dumb “marketing agreement” narrative.

 

[FranXico]

Funny that there’s ppl still going with this dumb “marketing agreement” narrative.

Hypocrites that get outraged at anyone that implies any kind of bias favoring Xbox from DF, but then lose no time calling NXGamer a Sony shill or accusing any developer who disagrees with them of taking bribes from Sony.

All this while gloating that Sony can't afford to buy out third party publishers, unlike Microsoft.

Guess what else Microsoft has plenty of money for. Get The Facts.

 

[mitchman]

Sims online was already established. Try harder.

I don't need to, you made statements coming off as misogynism and ignorance, and you have said nothing to document that statement.

 

[Physiognomonics]

In outriders the image actually looks higher resolution on PS5 most of the time because of better texture filtering.

 

[LiquidRex]

 

[DJ12]

He litterally could've pulled any of their video's out. He champions it, but constantly favours resolution over framerate + filtering. Not a good day for hiding the hypocrisy in the Battaglia household.

First Klobrille, then Parris, Now warren all asking people to walk back expectations and to keep an open mind. Writing is on the wall folks.

Shh, let them believe the games are going exclusive if they want, the meltdowns will be all the more glorious when they aren't.

Seriously, though, Xbox fans, here you have MSs chief media mouthpiece for setting expectations telling you not to expect the games to be exclusive. It's not happening, First or Best is what you've got to hope for, and also hope the best part also applies to Xbox and not just their other platform, PC.

 

[huraga]

Yeah I also would find the idea of buying a publisher and keeping them in tact odd if the plan was to make them all Xbox.

My point was more about any given individual game or even studio.. they may pull some games/studios under the Xbox umbrella exclusively.

I could see for instance actually BGS being XBox exclusive for various reasons, including their long history with Microsoft and sucking at multi-platform development lol

Well that is your theory, and it´s only a theory. Microsoft really can do whatever they want as they are 100% owners of Zenimax. They are in a quite better economic situation than Sony, so they don´t need sell to all platforms.

By the way, a company that belongs to another is always a subsidiary of the same. The term subsidiary does not change anything, I tell you from experience since my company is a subsidiary of an HQ.

 

[bitbydeath]

I hope they’re not planning on replacing them with the woke.

 

[assurdum]

Indeed, returns only diminish when it's xbox with lower resolution it seems.

If I was him I would have used the Hitman 3 title and all the absurd adjectives they used every time they want to praise their Lord machine res advantage. Straight to the jugular.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Well that is your theory, and it´s only a theory. Microsoft really can do whatever they want as they are 100% owners of Zenimax. They are in a quite better economic situation than Sony, so they don´t need sell to all platforms.

By the way, a company that belongs to another is always a subsidiary of the same. The term subsidiary does not change anything, I tell you from experience since my company is a subsidiary of an HQ.

I mean.. of course to all of this.

But that's where a merger comes in. T-Mobile bought Sprint, and it's a merger.. because they don't plan on keeping Sprint around in really any form.

Microsoft has claimed they have no plans to merge here, but instead are keeping Zenimax's operations separate. That will leave quite a bit of redundancy, and they'd only really want to do that for a reason.

Or they are just doing it temporarily and plan to eventually merge, we don't know.

For game studios it makes sense to keep them separate either way, for a publisher.. not so much if they are going to just make them act as "MGS 2" then why even keep them separate?

Obviously MS can tell Zenimax and every company Zenimax owned to do whatever the hell they want.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

This is so silly. Just keep these games exclusive to PC and Xbox. There is zero reason to release them on the PS5. Have some faith in your console.

I agree...

If these games are not exclusive, they need to get rid of Phil asap.

Why would they spend that much money for non-exclusive games, that is beyond foolish.

Making these games exclusive with the addition of game pass would set them up nicely and change the narrative around Xbox. But if these games are not exclusive what was the point of buying those studios in the first place?

If they go the non-exclusive route, my only guess is they will use these studios to build new out new exclusive IP

 

[assurdum]

I agree...

If these games are not exclusive, they need to get rid of Phil asap.

Why would they spend that much money for non-exclusive games, that is beyond foolish.

Making these games exclusive with the addition of game pass would set them up nicely and change the narrative around Xbox. But if these games are not exclusive what was the point of buying those studios in the first place?

If they go the non-exclusive route, my only guess is they will use these studios to build new out new exclusive IP

Nonsense.

 

[Dabaus]

I hope they’re not planning on replacing them with the woke.

I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Sony decided to cancel days gone 2 because The main Character is a straight white male and not sufficiently woke enough. Would explain why the directors left.

 

[demigod]

Well that is your theory, and it´s only a theory. Microsoft really can do whatever they want as they are 100% owners of Zenimax. They are in a quite better economic situation than Sony, so they don´t need sell to all platforms.

By the way, a company that belongs to another is always a subsidiary of the same. The term subsidiary does not change anything, I tell you from experience since my company is a subsidiary of an HQ.

LOL, so why is Minecraft on Playstation. Meirl is that you?

 

[3liteDragon]

I thought it already got approved by the SEC.

 

[Dabaus]

He litterally could've pulled any of their video's out. He champions it, but constantly favours resolution over framerate + filtering. Not a good day for hiding the hypocrisy in the Battaglia household.

Shh, let them believe the games are going exclusive if they want, the meltdowns will be all the more glorious when they aren't.

Seriously, though, Xbox fans, here you have MSs chief media mouthpiece for setting expectations telling you not to expect the games to be exclusive. It's not happening, First or Best is what you've got to hope for, and also hope the best part also applies to Xbox and not just their other platform, PC.

Im genuinely looking forward to it.

 

[SportsFan581]

I mean.. of course to all of this.

But that's where a merger comes in. T-Mobile bought Sprint, and it's a merger.. because they don't plan on keeping Sprint around in really any form.

Microsoft has claimed they have no plans to merge here, but instead are keeping Zenimax's operations separate. That will leave quite a bit of redundancy, and they'd only really want to do that for a reason.

Or they are just doing it temporarily and plan to eventually merge, we don't know.

For game studios it makes sense to keep them separate either way, for a publisher.. not so much if they are going to just make them act as "MGS 2" then why even keep them separate?

Obviously MS can tell Zenimax and every company Zenimax owned to do whatever the hell they want.

Isn't every studio at XGS technically a separate entity controlled by MS? Have they merged any studio directly into MS proper so far? Would they ever do that considering liability concerns with these established companies?

 

[kyliethicc]

Never forget this brilliant essay by Digital Dick Leadbetter Foundry.

Does resolution really matter?

This one took us by surprise. A study undertaken by US pollmeisters Nielsen revealed this week that "better resolution"…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

I did not state that there is no ROI on going all exclusive. I am saying that they would take a short-term earnings it if they did - you cannot asseetize future money streams outside of acquisitions. That is what Enron did and all those loop holes are closed.

In other words - going all exclusive will result in a significant short-term earnings hit. MS can afford it so maybe they will do it - I doubt it though (as I have stated in many threads).

Also important to factor in the operating costs for all those people, meaning, payroll and other obligations
Studios are sized appropriately to the market they want to hit. If they would cut away 50ish% of the revenue, the costs may outweigh the profits entirely.
Hence why there's about 0% chance Bethesda games won't be on PS

 

[IntentionalPun]

Isn't every studio at XGS technically a separate entity controlled by MS? Have they merged any studio directly into MS proper so far? Would they ever do that considering liability concerns with these established companies?

Ctrl-F my post for the word "studio" there bud.

Buying a publisher is a bit of new territory here; but they could have absorbed Zenimax as a publisher, while keeping the studios separate.

 

[SportsFan581]

Ctrl-F my post for the word "studio" there bud.

Buying a publisher is a bit of new territory here; but they could have absorbed Zenimax as a publisher, while keeping the studios separate.

Why would that be different though. Why would MS absorb any potential liabilities from Zenimax publishing into their existing publishing entity? Plus, seems like merging the two would result in delays and potential problems for one side or the other, depending on which half of the studios were "changing" publishers so to speak. It's not like MS would need Zenimax publishing to exist to release on Nintendo/Sony, XGS has already done that. LOL

 

[IntentionalPun]

Why would that be different though. Why would MS absorb any potential liabilities from Zenimax publishing into their existing publishing entity? Plus, seems like merging the two would result in delays and potential problems for one side or the other, depending on which half of the studios were "changing" publishers so to speak. It's not like MS would need Zenimax publishing to exist to release on Nintendo/Sony, XGS has already done that. LOL

Redundancy; same reason most companies who get bought out don't keep the parts of their company that duplicate the efforts of their buyers. Honestly not even sure what you are talking about liabilities, we are talking long term here.. MS claims that long term the goal is to keep Zenimax separate.

Sprint stores turn into T-Mobile stores right away, but are still using Sprint's old point of sale system. That's how a merger would go if MS had decided to actually merge Zenimax in. They'd still have their old systems and people in place with a new name and would not cause "delays." They aren't doing that.. instead, they are keeping them wholy separate.

 

[SportsFan581]

Redundancy; same reason most companies who get bought out don't keep the parts of their company that duplicate the efforts of their buyers. Honestly not even sure what you are talking about liabilities, we are talking long term here.. MS claims that long term the goal is to keep Zenimax separate.

Well, by that logic they should merge all the studios together to reduce redundancy in management, etc. We'll see how it goes down the road.

 

[Mirtaumn]

I have heard time and time again that many Sony fans don't need to buy an Xbox because they have a PC. Those same people should have no issues with the Zenimax acquisition.

So you really think all PS players have PC just because you heard some fanboys saying it?

The IP MS has acquired were not PlayStation IP. They were historically PC titles. Doom, Wolfenstein, Prey, Fallout, and TES all made a name for themselves on the PC. So this idea that something is being taken away from PlayStation is a bit silly.

Ok so now you're saying those games have not been on PS?
Because i have a physical copy of them here proving otherwise.
Also according to VG Charts Skyrim sold over 3 million copies on PS4 alone and 1.8 million on Xbox, almost twice the amount sold on Xbox.
The same trend is also probably true for the other games you mentioned.
So your idea that it isn't forcefully taking things away from PS is just straight up false.

On top of that games like Ghostwire Tokyo and Deathloop will still be honored even if MS now owns those IP. In fact my good buddy Frank was just making that point about those exclusives coming to PS5.

You're talking as if MS is doing a favor for Sony when in fact Bethesda had a deal with them signed up before acquisition.

MS letting some games they own come to PlayStation is pretty different from games Sony does NOT own actually being blocked from the Xbox. You toss out Tomb Raider but when was that? Also people howled when MS did that to the point they came out and said it was only timed. I haven't heard a peep about when FF7 R will hit the Xbox though. That is one of MANY recent titles Sony has paid timed exclusivity for. That is WORSE than simply buying the IP. At least in that case the it would make sense that if Sony owned the IP they could do whatever they want with it. Perhaps Sony gamers are just entitled to think that every game should be a PlayStation only release and Sony is more than willing to block other platforms to feed that narrative. What MS is doing IS different that what Sony has done.

So you think MS doesn't pay for timed exclusives?
What about Yakuza: Like a Dragon, The Medium, Tetris Effect: Connected, Warhammer, Bright Memory: Infinite?
All of those are Xbox timed exclusives, but of course you only see a problem when Sony does it. Thats something both companies have been doing since their inception so you dont really have a point here.

Also how does that logic work? How a game being 6 months on one platform before the other worse than it never even being released in the first place?

About FF7 R not much is really known about the deal, presumably it already expired. But we'll have to wait and see if Square really wants to port it over, since those type of games don't really do well on Xbox.

It's all business like I said but MS has shown time and time again they are willing to put their games on more than just the Xbox. You don't have to buy their console to play their games and that remains true with this recent move. This wouldn't even be a conversation if Sony grabbed Zenimax which already shows both companies do business differently. I actually don't buy into the anti-consumer sentiment but I do think that MS has made many pro gamer moves and of that there is little doubt.

Talking like a real fanboy, of course they do business differently.
Sony only acquires developers who already primarily develops for them (not taking anything away from other platforms).
While MS acquires multi-platform developers with IPs already established on other platforms.

 

[bitbydeath]

I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Sony decided to cancel days gone 2 because The main Character is a straight white male and not sufficiently woke enough. Would explain why the directors left.

On the other hand Sony have also be pushing Days Gone pretty hard, even including it on the PS+ Collection and calling it one of the best games of last gen.

 

[jroc74]

They are not selling consoles, they are selling GP. There is a huge difference

There, fixed for you

Yup, we are about to find out if selling consoles really isnt important for them anymore.

I get why they would make them exclusive or keep them multi platform. Again, at the end of the day money talks. Multi platform might be the better choice financially.

Never forget this brilliant essay by Digital Dick Leadbetter Foundry.

Does resolution really matter?

This one took us by surprise. A study undertaken by US pollmeisters Nielsen revealed this week that "better resolution"…

www.eurogamer.net

Richard even went back over resolution not mattering right before the consoles launched, in tweets. May have also came up during the Halo Infinite analysis, I remember 2 of them going back n forth about resolution vs framerates.

Yet here we are arguing over the max and min resolution for upscaled/reconstructed 4K.

If the console can legit hit a stable 60fps.....why not do it since the image quality wont take a massive hit vs last gen consoles?

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

lol i love his channel.

60 fps vs 120 fps is definitely not as big of a difference as going from 30 to 60. Especially if you are playing third person games or are using controllers instead of mice and keyboard. I have been playing Dirt 5 in 120 fps because the 60 fps modes have that awful stuttering on PS5, but I genuinely cant tell.

The only time I ever felt a big difference between 60 and 120 fps was when i played cod warzone and MW at 120 fps after playing it at 60 against console players. There is little to no aim assist on PC so snapping to targets in MP is pretty much impossible with controllers on PC. But once I bought a 120 fps monitor, I immediately got better even without the aim assist.

I think 60 fps is smooth enough for most games especially if you have a controller. if you use 10 sensitivity like these fortnite kids then 120 fps might be the way to go.

You're sitting on a PC playing a twitchy fps and somehow you though pulling up a joypad was the way to go? What happened, the mouse was broken and you were using a laptop?

 

[IntentionalPun]

Well, by that logic they should merge all the studios together to reduce redundancy in management, etc. We'll see how it goes down the road.

A "game studio" as a separate company is just a super common thing though because they are small product focused entities. They aren't big enough to have HR, or even necessarily their own accounting.. they don't have executives, they are lead by creatives. That's not just an MS thing to do it that way; Sony does it.. hell Bethesda does that (buys studios, keeps them separate.) Even large game devs still maintain separate "studios."

Maybe Bethesda as a pub is similar, and there isn't a lot of redundancy either.. but not sure.

 

[Mirtaumn]

I agree...

If these games are not exclusive, they need to get rid of Phil asap.

Why would they spend that much money for non-exclusive games, that is beyond foolish.

Making these games exclusive with the addition of game pass would set them up nicely and change the narrative around Xbox. But if these games are not exclusive what was the point of buying those studios in the first place?

If they go the non-exclusive route, my only guess is they will use these studios to build new out new exclusive IP

Nah Phil has great vision for the future.

Isn't Matt Booty the one who takes care of the first party studios?

 

[SlimySnake]

You're sitting on a PC playing a twitchy fps and somehow you though pulling up a joypad was the way to go? What happened, the mouse was broken and you were using a laptop?

I cant play with KBM. I can never find the Reload keys. Shift and CTRL are even harder to find.

Worst of all, i hate using the mouse to aim. nothing about KBM makes sense to my console peasant of a mind.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Nonsense.

4 consoles have launched under his leadership (Xbox One S, Xbox one X, Series S and Series X) and the console still barely has any solid exclusives or new IP.

Halo Infinite had to be delayed a year at the last minute which is crazy because it has been in development for years. The Series X has been marketed as "the most powerful console" but it has failed at being able to keep up with the performance of multiplatform games compared to PS5.

Game pass has been the only bright spot and even that is being hold back because of a lack of solid exclusive titles. Maybe Phil isn't the main one responsible for this, but whoever it is needs to go.

Making Bethesda games exclusive to Xbox and PC would be a no brainer but if that isn't the case that would be a really bad move like all of the moves MS has made.

 

[Gamerguy84]

Well PS5 is at 5.6 million sold through 15 weeks according to. VG Chartz. Which is terrible considering where they could be but during the chip shortages ehh. Some automakers have stopped assembly lines over it.

PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S vs Switch Launch Sales Comparison Through Week 15

This weekly mini-series compares the aligned launch sales of the PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X|S, and Nintendo Switch. It [...]

www.vgchartz.com

XBOX series at 3.7

 

[johnjohn]

They are not selling consoles, they are selling GP. There is a huge difference

There, fixed for you

And what is the best way to sell Game Pass? Selling consoles. All Bethesda games will show up on PS as soon as Game Pass shows up on PS.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

good point as game is quite sharp and for sure dynamic resolution gives here better results than 1440p chceckerboard

 

[DarkMage619]

So you really think all PS players have PC just because you heard some fanboys saying it?


Ok so now you're saying those games have not been on PS?
Because i have a physical copy of them here proving otherwise.
Also according to VG Charts Skyrim sold over 3 million copies on PS4 alone and 1.8 million on Xbox, almost twice the amount sold on Xbox.
The same trend is also probably true for the other games you mentioned.
So your idea that it isn't forcefully taking things away from PS is just straight up false.


You're talking as if MS is doing a favor for Sony when in fact Bethesda had a deal with them signed up before acquisition.


So you think MS doesn't pay for timed exclusives?
What about Yakuza: Like a Dragon, The Medium, Tetris Effect: Connected, Warhammer, Bright Memory: Infinite?
All of those are Xbox timed exclusives, but of course you only see a problem when Sony does it. Thats something both companies have been doing since their inception so you dont really have a point here.

Also how does that logic work? How a game being 6 months on one platform before the other worse than it never even being released in the first place?

About FF7 R not much is really known about the deal, presumably it already expired. But we'll have to wait and see if Square really wants to port it over, since those type of games don't really do well on Xbox.

Talking like a real fanboy, of course they do business differently.
Sony only acquires developers who already primarily develops for them (not taking anything away from other platforms).
While MS acquires multi-platform developers with IPs already established on other platforms.

I'm detecting a bit of a double standard here. I don't know if every PS gamer has a gaming PC but ones that talk about Xbox games seem to have one so no matter what MS does it doesn't affect those guys. I never said those games never came out on the PS I said that you don't have to buy an Xbox to play Xbox games which is different than what happens on the PS. You also appear to have missed my point that the IP I mentioned made a name for themselves on the PC. The PC will still get those games so for the audience that would care the most, remain unaffected. The only people potentially affected are people who ONLY have a PS and no PC and no Xbox and also no cell phone to stream to either AND REFUSE to use any of those options. That can't be a majority of gamers. You also have to admit that games like ESO/Fallout 76 will continue to get supported, so PS gamers are taken care of there.

MS did not have to honor the deals Zenimax signed before the acquisition but chose to because it made the most business sense. It also shows they are not about 'taking things from PS gamers'. All the titles you mentioned are pretty small games and nothing on the order of a Final Fantasy. Your Yakuza example is pretty funny because that game hit PS4 the SAME DAY it hit Xbox. Everyone knew when it would hit the PS5. Wow MS is so horrible huh. Who was clamoring for The Medium or Bright Memory? Tetris was already on the PS! "Tetris Effect is a tile-matching puzzle video game developed by Japanese studios Monstars and Resonair and published by Enhance Games. The game was released worldwide exclusively for the PlayStation 4 on November 9, 2018, and features support for the PlayStation VR." It was originally a PS exclusive game! This is your evidence MS does the same thing as Sony in this area? We still don't know when or if FF7 R will come to Xbox and just because FF hasn't sold as well on Xbox doesn't mean there aren't fans of the franchise on that platform. There are other FF games on Gamepass now. Sony is the one actively denying games on the Xbox for IP they don't own. MS isn't doing anything close to that.

The fanboys are ones complaining about MS making games on multiple platforms while cheering when Sony makes games for one. MS has built game studios from the ground up and people complained. MS bought established studios and...people complained. MS does a timed exclusive and wait for it...people complained. With your Yakuza example the game just doesn't hit the PS5 the same day and of course people complained. At some point it is not so much about MS taking games from people but people who don't like MS as a company or Xbox as a brand. They would be wrong no matter what they did to those people. That's fine but let's not pretend like Sony isn't the real one denying games from players. I get that it's business but as I've said at least MS isn't forcing anyone to buy a console they might not want. Options are good for gamers.

 

[LiquidRex]

Another joins Insomniac.