MasterCornholio
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These are native games. All games will be native at some point. So it's more of a study of what might be instead what happened with last gen games.
Hopefully that helps.
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These are native games. All games will be native at some point. So it's more of a study of what might be instead what happened with last gen games.
Hopefully that helps.
Neo Blaster
Member
This so much. Considering the game is releasing this year by the way it goes, cancelling the PS4 version wouldn't make the PS5 version better, there's just too much work to be done reworking the game to get rid off PS4 limitations and too little time.
Rea
Member
So, Horizon forbidden west gameplay is coming tomorrow, we're all anxious about seeing how the game will look, being a cross gen game.
Let us take a look at how Sony's 1st party studio handle triple A cross-gen launch game such as Miles Morales. So I downloaded PS4 version of Miles Morales on my PS5 to compare the 2 versions.
The following images are taken straight from my ps5 using create button on DualSense.
There are several differences between the two versions aside from Raytracing.
Ps5 has better lighting due to more dynamic light source.
Ps5 has more shadows due to more dynamic light source.
PS5 has better Subsurface scattering and better hair rendering, and looks closer to pre rendered CGI.
So, many people think Miles Morales looks the same version across Ps4 and ps5 aside from Raytracing and 60fps, that's not true at all. Ps5 definitely looks better even without Raytracing. I strongly believe HZ FW PS5 version will also have the distinct look than ps4 version, apart from Raytracing and higher resolution.
Let us take a look at how Sony's 1st party studio handle triple A cross-gen launch game such as Miles Morales. So I downloaded PS4 version of Miles Morales on my PS5 to compare the 2 versions.
The following images are taken straight from my ps5 using create button on DualSense.
There are several differences between the two versions aside from Raytracing.
PS5 has better Subsurface scattering and better hair rendering, and looks closer to pre rendered CGI.
So, many people think Miles Morales looks the same version across Ps4 and ps5 aside from Raytracing and 60fps, that's not true at all. Ps5 definitely looks better even without Raytracing. I strongly believe HZ FW PS5 version will also have the distinct look than ps4 version, apart from Raytracing and higher resolution.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I agree that it's too late to do anything meaningful with the game design, but it can help devs push the visuals like foliage density and NPCs. I looked at the Halo Infinte demo and all I could see were last gen constraints holding back the game. Clearly the xsx is more than capable of running the game with better visuals but everything from the character models, their lighting engine, and foliage quality was designed around a 1.3 tflops GPU and it showed. Cancelling the x1 versions wouldve allowed them to take the next year or so just going back and redoing the visuals with higher quality assets and focus all their work on implementing a better lighting engine without worrying about how it would play with last gen hardware.
I have brought this up before, but as good as RE8 looks, as good as TLOU2 feels at 60 fps, these games are severely limited by their static environments. They feel more than just a gen behind. If those trees dont catch fire or explode in awesome fashion in Horizon, and just stand there like stone pillars it's going to be extremely disappointing.
Personally, I would take a delay to 2022 if they came out and said we are delaying the game after cancelling the PS4 version to focus on adding next gen enhancements to the game.
ArcaneNLSC
Member
ZywyPL
Banned
GG did improve HZD on PC, even added additional physics/interaction with the foliage, so I think it's safe to say the PS5 version of HFW will receive similar treatment separating it from the PS4 version.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
People always compare cutscenes (for obvious reasons), but gameplay comparisons would be more useful.So, Horizon forbidden west gameplay is coming tomorrow, we're all anxious about seeing how the game will look, being a cross gen game.
Let us take a look at how Sony's 1st party studio handle triple A cross-gen launch game such as Miles Morales. So I downloaded PS4 version of Miles Morales on my PS5 to compare the 2 versions.
The following images are taken straight from my ps5 using create button on DualSense.
There are several differences between the two versions aside from Raytracing.
Ps5 has better lighting due to more dynamic light source.
Ps5 has more shadows due to more dynamic light source.
PS5 has better Subsurface scattering and better hair rendering, and looks closer to pre rendered CGI.
So, many people think Miles Morales looks the same version across Ps4 and ps5 aside from Raytracing and 60fps, that's not true at all. Ps5 definitely looks better even without Raytracing. I strongly believe HZ FW PS5 version will also have the distinct look than ps4 version, apart from Raytracing and higher resolution.
Thank you for this.So, Horizon forbidden west gameplay is coming tomorrow, we're all anxious about seeing how the game will look, being a cross gen game.
Let us take a look at how Sony's 1st party studio handle triple A cross-gen launch game such as Miles Morales. So I downloaded PS4 version of Miles Morales on my PS5 to compare the 2 versions.
The following images are taken straight from my ps5 using create button on DualSense.
There are several differences between the two versions aside from Raytracing.
Ps5 has better lighting due to more dynamic light source.
Ps5 has more shadows due to more dynamic light source.
PS5 has better Subsurface scattering and better hair rendering, and looks closer to pre rendered CGI.
So, many people think Miles Morales looks the same version across Ps4 and ps5 aside from Raytracing and 60fps, that's not true at all. Ps5 definitely looks better even without Raytracing. I strongly believe HZ FW PS5 version will also have the distinct look than ps4 version, apart from Raytracing and higher resolution.
This is what some of us have been saying. That hair pic....omg, lol.
Regardless of it being cross gen, I expect the PS5 version to look amazing. We'll just have to wait or play other games to take better advantage of the PS5. Its fine.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
My god this UNreal engine demo area looks amazing. they are walking around a big open area right now.
Running on series x!!!
Their new AAA solution 'Temporal Super Resolution' creates sharper and stable image than before with quality approaching native 4k at the cost of 1080p.
Running on series x!!!
Their new AAA solution 'Temporal Super Resolution' creates sharper and stable image than before with quality approaching native 4k at the cost of 1080p.
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jose4gg
Member
It wasn't running on a PC? sorry I was in the live stream and didn't saw or hear the series X name.
There were shots in the beginning running on XSX and PS5. The rest of the demo was running on PC as it was all shown through the editor.
ArcaneNLSC
Member
Full UE5 engine release won't be out until approx early 2022 so that definitely pushes a lot of Xbox titles waiting for UE5 to 2023
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Can I install it right now? I have a 2080 that should be able to run this, but only a 6 core CPU. I want to see what framerates i get.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Some gifs from the UE5 demo.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Isn't that last GIF from that formerly untitled 'Project Athia' that Square was working on?Some gifs from the UE5 demo.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
That's pretty amazing, can't wait for new games on that!
It's going to be Gears 6 first?
Sinthor
Gold Member
AH! Ok. Thanks! Where are you seeing this "live" right now? I've missed something, apparently.lol no. Project Athia wishes it looked that good. ;p
Looks last gen compared to UE5.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It went live at 10AM this morning. You can watch the whole 15 minute video here. Thats where I took all the gifs.AH! Ok. Thanks! Where are you seeing this "live" right now? I've missed something, apparently.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Yeah, the only thing is that like past UE demo's...we probably won't actually see games QUITE up to that level. Or at least not until much later in the generation. Still...if it's the I/O of the two machines driving this kind of thing...you would think that means it would be possible! I sure hope so as that looks AWESOME.lol no. Project Athia wishes it looked that good. ;p
Looks last gen compared to UE5.
ArcaneNLSC
Member
Sinthor
Gold Member
Wow, that is really impressive, just like the first demo. At least people can relax now that such things have been shown on the Xbox platform as well, right? I'm still a bit skeptical that we'll see real GAMES that are at this level of detail, much like previous generation's games in comparison to their respective UE demos but wow.....if we even get close that is going to be FANTASTIC!
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Possibly even MS, but hey these guys are talking to devs and I would guess that Epic have a big word in all of this. Remembering X360 situation with EPIC....
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Recommended is more eye opening. 64 GBs? That tells me that the PCs are basically bruteforcing everything like I had expected. Both Sony and MS have done a phenomenal job with their I/O to get away with just 16GB of RAM when PCs are asking for 64 GB of System RAM on top of the 8GB of VRAM in GPUs.
I only have 16 GB of RAM plus 8 GB of VRAM and 6 core CPU so I am very curious to see just what kind of performance I get. I suspect it will run just fine and Epic are likely including the overhead of the editor in their recommend and minimum requirements.
sncvsrtoip
Member
12 core, rtx2080 and 64gb of ram for 30 fps ? savage requirements for pc players
Tripolygon
Banned
Want to learn more about nanite, check out the documentation page.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yeah, but check the main UE5 thread, a bunch of PC gamers are taking a victory lap there lol. At least I called it. PCs can brute force anything.
I am just happy that this thing runs on the Xbox Series X. Their i/o is clearly very impressive as well, and this is great news for PS5 gamers who were afraid PCs or Xbox next gen consoles might hold back their I/O tech.
Where can I download this bad boy?
Imtjnotu
Member
Rea
Member
Doesn't matter. The point of my post is to show how different between 2 gen consoles (ps4 vs ps5). During gameplay, this will also reproduce the same result. I compared cutscenes because it is much easier to match the same frame, i didn't have much time too.
TheRedRiders
Member
Wonder how much Microsoft paid Epic for that new UE5 demo…..
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
100GB huh? edit: Ah, at least that's the project... but.. imagine working on a full game lol
So we have no real clue what an actual game or even game demo would require from any sort of PC requirements.
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Imtjnotu
Member
no we only have what this particular set of tools for this demo require.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
What is the video where is Series X console visible? I am sort of confused, which one is it, there were a lot of videos here...
The start of the UE5 demo today showed some panning shots of rocks with "Xbox Series X" in the corner, followed by some panning shots with "PlayStation 5" in the corner. The rest of the demo today was on PC in editor.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Well those tools would be the engine.. but a project pre-build is going to be bloated. And the RAM/CPU requirements they mention really depend on how UE5 or this version of UE5 can "run" a project. With UE4 you can run the editor in game mode, and then it's using some extra overhead for profiling and whatnot, and assets aren't necessarily optimized.
None of the numbers may be particularly realistic compared to an actually built or "cooked" game.
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twilo99
Member
In simple terms, this beauty has is own software based RT which doesn't require special hardware to run, but it can also take advantage of such hardware and achieve better results if available?
Also, how does it handle VRS? it sounded like its sort of "built in", no need for extra hardware to achieve.
Also, how does it handle VRS? it sounded like its sort of "built in", no need for extra hardware to achieve.
Dust-by-Monday
Member
Does anyone think they'll make the demo available on PS5 or XSX just so we can get a taste for what's to come?
onesvenus
Member
From the Nanite documentation here:
Can we now please stop with the no-LOD system in UE5?
Also it seems I was completely wrong and they don't use SDF representations of the meshes but use something more similar to meshlets instead.
So basically during import meshes are broken down in pieces, each one of these pieces are simplified at various levels creating a hierarchy of triangle groups with the restriction of keeping the seams of each piece the same between LODs. When rendering the engine chooses which LOD to use depending on the camera.
Can we now please stop with the no-LOD system in UE5?
Also it seems I was completely wrong and they don't use SDF representations of the meshes but use something more similar to meshlets instead.
IllegalLemon
Member
The massive disclaimer with the demo today was that it was done in an early access build of the engine. Certain features might be missing and the engine and its underlying tools are being tweaked, tuned and optimised as we speak. The outcome might possibly be entirely different with the full production build of the engine. For now though, the future looks bright and who knows, when the finished engine build reaches the hands of developers spec requirements might be reduced.
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3liteDragon
Member
Is the “Lumen in the Land of Nanite” demo released to everyone?
ArcaneNLSC
Member
I understand what you’re saying, but they never said there wouldn’t be varying levels of detail, but that the developer wouldn’t have to manually create all of the various LODs. That’s the huge plus for devs and it’s a massive time-saver. Any engine is going to have varying levels of detail, but it’s how it gets there, how seamless they are, and how efficient it is to create that matters.
assurdum
Banned
Kinda of curious if there are any tech difference between the 2 console. Oh God so it's native 1080p, no more 1440p? That 4k "at the same cost of 1080p" seems a soft way to give the bitter pill. Where are all the people who laughed about the native resolution of Returnal on ps5
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Yeah for sure; nothing here numbers wise should be taken too seriously.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
And as others are talking about; definitely seems the engine itself auto-generates multiple LOD levels. Some guessed that, and it was a bit of a "read between the lines, if LODs weren't actually used they'd have said it" thing lol.. but I was kinda hoping for some revolutionary tech beyond "this tech just uses an insane amount of data to accomplish the detail levels we are showing off."
I hope people lower their expectation for real games using this tech.. I think we'll see gorgeous games either way, but I don't think this demo is representative of what any game is going to look like this generation from a triangles standpoint.
Also really not surprised to see XSX and PS5 both running the demo at full performance. There's little reason to think that the demo was actually able to utilize every ounce of PS5's I/O. That I/O is just way ahead of it's time IMO.. even for an unrealistic demo, you aren't going to be pushing that much data around.
I hope people lower their expectation for real games using this tech.. I think we'll see gorgeous games either way, but I don't think this demo is representative of what any game is going to look like this generation from a triangles standpoint.
Also really not surprised to see XSX and PS5 both running the demo at full performance. There's little reason to think that the demo was actually able to utilize every ounce of PS5's I/O. That I/O is just way ahead of it's time IMO.. even for an unrealistic demo, you aren't going to be pushing that much data around.
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Imtjnotu
Member
i remember epic saying last year, last minute they had to rewrite parts of the engine to even account for the PS5 I/O.
both consoles in terms of data streaming cant be touched right now
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
This.
I don't think i've seen anyone arguing no-LODs at all in UE5.
I'm not sure who
onesvenus
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