SportsFan581
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I'm not familiar with the specifics of the rumor, are they saying 3rd party exclusive or just a timed marketing thing?
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I'm not familiar with the specifics of the rumor, are they saying 3rd party exclusive or just a timed marketing thing?
VFXVeteran
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Games will always be bandwidth limited because of the closed architecture of the console/PC GPUs. It's difficult to say whether 4k textures are enough. And any cheats for textures to keep storage down would have been utilized a long time ago. The big issue with moving to 4k is that you will need a 1:1 ratio on all of the levels of texture for a particular asset. For example, say you have an asset that requires the following components to render it:
Base color (which could have 2 or more textures blended together -- i.e. scratches, paint, scuffs, etc..)
Ambient color
Specular color
Emissive color
SSS color, etc..
Then you need at the same res (in order to have best quality):
Base normal map (1 or more blended together)
Specular normal map
etc.. etc..
Then all of those textures have to be mip-mapped into other levels of detail (4k, 2k, 1k, 512x512, 256x256, etc.. etc.. down to 1x1)
Do you see the pattern? A HUGE amount of bandwidth is needed throughout the entire graphics pipeline.
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Panajev2001a
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First of all I would expect some HW assisted decompression to further inflate the expected fast bandwidth (see one of the examples for such products and their compression ratios: http://www.binomial.info/blog/2016/12/11/overview-of-basis-rdo-mode which gets lossless compression to ~25% of the native GPU compressed texture format size) and then I would see different strategies depending on the data you want to update and its priority (maybe just a specific mip level instead of the entire texture, or just relying on the extra compression see above... and btw, 1 GB of additional unique texture data per frame is a humongous amount [even if we only transferred 250 MB of it] as that would mean 30 to 60 GB of unique texture data per second).
An open world game would likely keep several giant texture atlases, portions of which would be streamed in as characters move around the world (in that sense RAM is already used as a cache and the real storage, and what prevents you from traversing at super fast speeds, is the HDD/SSD).
xool
Member
I'm fed up of a "wireless" controller that I need to keep plugging in. If xbox is 25%+ faster I'll suck up a shitty D-pad and seriously consider it.
But I'd have to have a long hard think about their (MS) plans mid term. I don't want another "buy kinect or fuck off" point mid-gen
PocoJoe
Banned
What you are talking about? About charging controller?
Just buy the god damn charger cradle and problem is solved.
Much easier than mess around with AA-batteries anyway.
I guess you throw away your phone every time the battery is empty
Lunatic_Gamer
Gold Member
“I expect PS5 to outsell Xbox Series X in 2020, but for both platforms to sell more consoles at launch than both the PS4 and Xbox One did back in 2013. One new factor for this upcoming generation is the impact of backwards compatibility on brand loyalty and audience transition. I think we'll see less brand switching as a result. I also expect pricing of both PS5 and Xbox Series X to be similar, and I think it's more likely than not they will be higher than the PS4 launch price point of $399.”
Piers Harding-Rolls, IHS Markit Technology
www.gamesindustry.biz
Piers Harding-Rolls, IHS Markit Technology
Analysts dole out 2020 predictions
Every year, we turn to a panel of expert analysts to ask them what they see coming down the road. And for returning pan…
www.gamesindustry.biz
SportsFan581
Member
From what I've read online, I think the new MS controllers use internal batteries also. Looks like they might have lost you before they had you.
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Kazekage1981
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If the leaks are true, then PS5 having 36 Compute Units is literally to ensure backwards compatibility with PS4? The same number of compute units as PS4 Pro except its RDNA? Why can Xsex have more compute units but still have backwards compatibility?
I was hoping both Xsex and PS5 would be in 64-128 Compute Unit range but now that dream is gone
I was hoping both Xsex and PS5 would be in 64-128 Compute Unit range but now that dream is gone
xool
Member
Suppose I can just play the game holding it in the cradle too. Or buy two to play one game.
Right.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
If the leaks are true, then PS5 having 36 Compute Units is literally to ensure backwards compatibility with PS4? The same number of compute units as PS4 Pro except its RDNA? Why can Xsex have more compute units but still have backwards compatibility?
I was hoping both Xsex and PS5 would be in 64-128 Compute Unit range but now that dream is gone
The theory is that Xbox games are more hardware agnostic than PS games so it’s easier to run them on different hardware. Whether there is any truth to it I don’t know. Could be possible though I guess.
SportsFan581
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If the leaks are true, then PS5 having 36 Compute Units is literally to ensure backwards compatibility with PS4? The same number of compute units as PS4 Pro except its RDNA? Why can Xsex have more compute units but still have backwards compatibility?
I was hoping both Xsex and PS5 would be in 64-128 Compute Unit range but now that dream is gone
While avoiding TF-Gate and CU-Gate all together, I'd say that MS games were more abstracted from the hardware to begin with. Especially after Xbone X was released, part of the patching that MS completed on every single game released at that time, was to ensure there wouldn't be excessive resistance to backwards compat in the future. With that said, they obviously still have things to fine tune, hence canceling Xbox and 360 BC programs to focus on Xbone.
wvnative
Member
Leave it on the cradle when your not playing, or plugged into the console when your not playing.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
It looks to me like fake Tommy Fisher found a new home.
xool
Member
Imagine selling a controller with a 7 hr battery life, and no USB port on the front of the console. And a tiny ass USB plug to connect it with.
Indutive charging would be nice too ..
xool
Member
Yeah I'll just arrange my life and playtime around a shitty product. And buy some add ons to compensate for the piece of shit that came in the box.
wvnative
Member
Huh?
How is plugging the damn thing into a usb port when your not playing "rearranging your life and playtime?"
JLB
Banned
This thread reminds me of why I love this place.
Trying to decrypt CBOAT message is funnier than most of my catalog lol
DeepEnigma
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Which console doesn't have a USB port in the front of it?
sonomamashine
Member
Hi, can anybody put me up to speed ?
What's the latest news / speculation ?
thanks.
What's the latest news / speculation ?
thanks.
NickFire
Member
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Well that sucks if true.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I don't think you can handle a list that thick.
SLB1904
Banned
Xbox fanboys nightmare is back. Os 2013 all over again
iz this thng on??
DeepEnigma
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But what does that have to do in context to PS vs. Xbox in controller/console buyer decisions above?
LordOfChaos
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If the leaks are true, then PS5 having 36 Compute Units is literally to ensure backwards compatibility with PS4? The same number of compute units as PS4 Pro except its RDNA? Why can Xsex have more compute units but still have backwards compatibility?
I was hoping both Xsex and PS5 would be in 64-128 Compute Unit range but now that dream is gone
The way the Pro already handled it (disabling half the GPU, with a seperate boost mode for higher clocks with no guarantee of compatibility if you turned it on), seemed to point to GNM being lower level and more bespoke to the hardware than the Xbox derivative from DirectX, which seems to have an easier time porting.
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Haint
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I agree they're probably concerned Sony might say PS5 is "the eqivalent of a 12.X TF PS4" which would be applying an RDNA offset to what is actually a 9.XTF GPU. On the other hand, X's leaked APU has 56CUs with presumably several disabled to improve yields, and at lower clocks than PS5s supposed APU. MS might be holding out an ace that sees them ultimately disabling fewer CUs and/or boosting clocks taking them above 12TFs.
NickFire
Member
Don't you put that context mumbo jumbo on me Ricky Bobby! You asked for a console with no USB, and you got one.
JLB
Banned
Based off the gems I've played ps5 could be 7tflops and I'd still buy it. No way I'm missing next Gen Gow, Ghost of T, Naughty Dog games, or most first parties.
But ppl getting real nervous with the tflop talk
you look nervous
Gamernyc78
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PS5 estimated around 12.8 TF and Nextbox around 12. Same bs back and forth like before but the narrative tht PS5 has better RT keeps poppin up. Everyone is happy cboat is back even making him a groupie thread but he's not saying much except some shit about edge of tomorrow
Gamernyc78
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Nothing whatsoever. It was just funny to take a deadpan approach to the question.
NickFire
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Hold on, are the most current rumors putting PS5 at 12.8? I thought it was 9 and change, but admittedly these claims are hard for me to keep up with day in / out.PS5 estimated around 12.8 TF and Nextbox around 12. Same bs back and forth like before but the narrative tht PS5 has better RT keeps poppin up. Everyone is happy cboat is back even making him a groupie thread but he's not saying much except some shit about edge of tomorrow
Musky_Cheese
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Well to be fair, we've heard everything from 8-13 lol
Gamernyc78
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I was under the impression tht they use the gpu bcus it's more efficient but in the past cpus have also been used for raytracing.
NickFire
Member
Hold the damn phone - we're pushing 13 now?
Sony should probably delay this thing a year. At the current pace we could be looking at 29-31 in 2021, all for $199.
(Does this count now?)
PS5 sounds like it's going the route of more hardware emulation whereas MS has gone down the path of more software emulation via some form of Hyper-V, Obviously they are both doing both some combination of the two but the emphasis on the implementation is different which brings different pros and consIf the leaks are true, then PS5 having 36 Compute Units is literally to ensure backwards compatibility with PS4? The same number of compute units as PS4 Pro except its RDNA? Why can Xsex have more compute units but still have backwards compatibility?
I was hoping both Xsex and PS5 would be in 64-128 Compute Unit range but now that dream is gone
ethomaz
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It had one Samsung but never bothered to use with DS4I use a power bank I use for my phone, that way it's still portable and small
Gamernyc78
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Initial and most ps5 leaks were always in the double digits and edging out nextbox until the github doc which Matt then said ppl are going to feel dumb bcus thts not telling the latest specs basically saying it's higher than 9.
SportsFan581
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It does. It's 31TF.
All the speculation online about the pricing, even as an Xbox user, I still think that both camps stick to their familiar price points, regardless of power edge etc. I could be wrong though.
All the speculation online about the pricing, even as an Xbox user, I still think that both camps stick to their familiar price points, regardless of power edge etc. I could be wrong though.
Gamernyc78
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It had one Samsung but never bothered to use with DS4
Charges my shit fast. I have one of those really small long square ones.
SpartanN92
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Bruh sounds like your life is pretty swell if this is the thing you have to rearrange your whole life around
NickFire
Member
Thanks. Not gonna lie - I really don't want 9 v 12 situation. Strictly for personal reasons of internally debating whether i picked the right horse for 1-2 years
I think I see what you did there. Captain America gifs for me!
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xool
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.. meant the back -not good if you wanted to leave a charging cradle plugged in for instance
Gamernyc78
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Depends on how your horse performs though. You can have a fast ass horse compared to another but if you use him for shows and he can't jump its not good enough lol
Nvm don't mind my analogy lol
Bryank75
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So of the 12 tflops, quite a few of those would be occupied just pro essing lighting....?
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