Pyramid Song
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Cerny's magic.
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Munki
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Must be something like that..Crazy thought: What if MS went to Sony (or vice versa): 'Hey, want to do splitsies on the SOC development for next gen?'. 'Yeah, good idea.. Then we could also use the same servers for cloud streaming.' and so on. Only difference being the software, the housing and the cooling obviously (Sony always fucks that one up.. Kinda like AMD). Would also be a dream for every third party developer.
FranXico
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Neither, because that 4chan post should not be taken seriously.
FranXico
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Wow. They actually quote the same things Cerny told Wired, word by word. Impressive.
DemonCleaner
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well even if that conference was somewhat of an abomination and i will certainly go berzerk when the up the cheering crowd once again next year, i have kinda positive feelings afterwards.
hardware raytracing is here.. fuck yeah! halo tech demo looked good, even if it said in engine and not realtime. might have had raytraced GI going.
hardware raytracing is here.. fuck yeah! halo tech demo looked good, even if it said in engine and not realtime. might have had raytraced GI going.
Evilms
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AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT official gaming benchmarks leaked | VideoCardz.com
Featured, Radeon RX 5700 XT AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT to compete with GeForce RTX 2070 Official figures for 2560x1440 gaming have been leaked. According to the slide, AMD's new
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Armorian
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For people who think it will be 24 tflops
If you let me back I'll be here. Back to Scarlett... you mentioned it has four times the power of Xbox One X, which certainly sounds good. But what does that mean?
Matt Booty: It's a few things - it's the combination of speed, not just of the SSD but of the processor, the performance of the GPU and RAM, but we're also in a world where speed is starting not to matter. You can make RAM faster either by speeding up the way you access it or by adding more access points. Just think, what are all the things right now which take you out of a game? You're playing then suddenly *bloop* a load screen pops up and drops you out. Our goal is to get rid of those things, that's what we're after.
What do you think about the state of the industry right now? When you look around, who's here, who's not, what trends are you seeing in the industry?
The big Xbox interview - Project Scarlett, cross-gen Halo Infinite and the lack of Fable
Microsoft kicked off E3 in style today, with a memorable press conference that had Keanu Reeves and a car made out of L…www.eurogamer.net
So it was math magic all along
jonnyp
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What do you mean by 'advanced'? They are confirmed to be using the same tech.
ResilientBanana
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I don't think either of these consoles will be wildly different from one another.
Negotiator
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After the Azure partnership this wouldn't surprise me at all, but they're still playing chicken game with specs, so...
Crazy thought: What if MS went to Sony (or vice versa): 'Hey, want to do splitsies on the SOC development for next gen?'. 'Yeah, good idea.. Then we could also use the same servers for cloud streaming.' and so on. Only difference being the software, the housing and the cooling obviously (Sony always fucks that one up.. Kinda like AMD). Would also be a dream for every third party developer.
TeamGhobad
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24Gb of GDDR6 @ 672Gb/s CONFIRMED
Negotiator
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An XB1 overclock scenario is always possible (as long as cooling is decent).
ANIMAL1975
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Cell2 lite
Negotiator
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I wonder if this was intentional or not. Now Sony can possibly use HC18 chips (if they really need it).24Gb of GDDR6 @ 672Gb/s CONFIRMED
Also, #Team24GB redeemed. 12-16GB was uber lame low-balling. Next stop: 12TF or bust!
DemonCleaner
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where did you spot 12? i didn't see more than two sides around the SOC.
concerning 3 packages on four sides i'm not sure that is even possible. you'd have to space your memory controllers in a manner on the soc that you have somewhat similar distances (or better bus lengths) between the ram packages and the memory controllers, otherwise V_drop won't be constant among them. you'd also have to leave space for your PCI4 bus on the SOC which would take enough space that you shouldn't be able to fit more than a max of 2 GDDR packages (at max) on this crtitical side.
NickFire
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I see nothing of substance there. Pretty well locked in with flexibility is not locked in at all IMO.
Negotiator
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Things like CPU cores, GPU CUs, amount of RAM chips are locked in, while clocks are still undecided. That's what he probably means.
DemonCleaner
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i checked the video it's definitly not 3 packages on four sides.
see:
it's probably
4 north
3 or 4 west (probably 4 because the soc looked elongated in the render)
4 south
which reserves the PCI4 bus for the east side
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llien
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Because we see it beat 2070 even in vidia sponsored games like OC Odissey?
I keep in mind how bias works, but come on!
Focus on stuff that is at least up to interpretations.
E.g. "but RTX", "but 2070 die size is bigger, so it's easier to cool", etc.
xool
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ok so there's something fuzzy off far right at ~1:16 - I think I can see 3 top, and at least 2 right .. so cofirmation bias + expections + logic (not 11) =12
[edit - I saw at least 9 so 12 right ? also agree with your post above - is the motherboard a different way up though - I didn't spot the 1 NW chip at 1m16 .. ]
Wiggly lines
1m56sec .. but I can't see all the chips
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DemonCleaner
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i can't see shit on the blue board in the video. and the green one could also house 12 packages
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ResilientBanana
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The green board is the Xbox One X. At least that's what it looks like to me.
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ethomaz
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I’m reading a bit more in the thread some said one of the boards are literally the actual Xbox One X board... that one with 12 chips.
Next Generation Hardware Speculation with a Technical Spin [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]
The latest tensilica cores on 7nm can do 1.8 Tops, they doubled the perf per mm2 from the previous 14nm dsp core. Maybe they are going to have a few of those for audio, AI, and RT helpers.
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ethomaz
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The blue is Scarlett? You can see only 6 memory spots in that one.
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xool
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+1
Green one at 1m59 looks a lot like the Xbox One X
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DemonCleaner
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I’m reading a bit more in the thread some said one of the boards are literally the actual Xbox One X board... that one with 12 chips.
Next Generation Hardware Speculation with a Technical Spin [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]
The latest tensilica cores on 7nm can do 1.8 Tops, they doubled the perf per mm2 from the previous 14nm dsp core. Maybe they are going to have a few of those for audio, AI, and RT helpers.
yeah might really be x1x. but the pcb layout there is good for that type of memory configuration. could probably go with it.
on the blue PCB i can't spot shit:
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xool
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Agree - good chance the Scarlet PCB looks very similar to the XONEX (from that distance), assuming they go for the same form factor box, which is also likely.
DemonCleaner
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concerning the quote from the conference that the SSD now works more like an additional pool of RAM:
i think sony and microsoft both will go with an evolution of AMD's high bandwidth cache controller which allowed the user since vega to dedicate some part of his system RAM as addtional frame buffer (there have historically even been radeon instinct cards which let you put on a SSD as a VRAM extension). as soon as turned on, the game only see's one vram pool and the data micromanagement is done by the HBCC autonomously.
i think sony and microsoft both will go with an evolution of AMD's high bandwidth cache controller which allowed the user since vega to dedicate some part of his system RAM as addtional frame buffer (there have historically even been radeon instinct cards which let you put on a SSD as a VRAM extension). as soon as turned on, the game only see's one vram pool and the data micromanagement is done by the HBCC autonomously.
Fake
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Damn... Hope this don't means overheat problems.
Negotiator
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Why would they use NAND storage as a GPU framebuffer (tons of read-write-modify operations)? I won't even mention the speed disparity (2-4 GB/s vs 672 GB/s).
Next-gen consoles will most likely use QLC NAND (100-1000 write cycles) for cost reasons.
DemonCleaner
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the point of my post was not that they would use NAND as a framebuffer but that AMD has the technology to further unify memory pools in an "invisable to the user" manner (HBCC and as i posted some time ago storeMI for that matter). sorry if that wasn't comprehensible.
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FranXico
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I still think manual micromanagement will be required to maximize efficiency. Automatic management is nice, but it yields much lower efficiency usually.
That was also the case with eSRAM. MS has some tools to make it transparent to programmers, but I remember a DICE presentation about Battlefield arguing that manual programming is better.
ethomaz
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Because it is a thing... a big thing.
DemonCleaner
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yeah i bet your right about that. but i think it would be crucial that there was an "automatic mode" for accessibility for lower budget projects.
Lort
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It will prob allow cache hints such as amd 3dnow prefetch command. ( the 360 had a similar command)... having hints and manual managment still possible would be the best.
bitbydeath
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CyberPanda
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On Halo Infinite’s official page it talks about Project Scarlett of ‘consoles’. There is gonna be two SKUs.
ethomaz
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Scarlett is the codename to the next-gen platform or project.
Anaconda is the codename for one model of Scarlett.
Lockhart is suppose to the the codename of the other model of Scarlett.
MS is trying to dodge questions about Lockhart but it is clear that they have two Scarlett models to be launched... they said it last E3, they didn't deny in EG interview and they wrote again that in Halo Infinite official page.
I did not even cut off the changes for a 3rd model... the streaming only.
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bitbydeath
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Maybe but the one they’ve shown is code named Scarlett.
So unless there’s going to be three of them either Lockhart or Anaconda is no longer.
CyberPanda
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Ummm. Project Scarlet is the code name for their next gen project, and there are two SKUs under that umbrella:
Lockhart
Anaconda
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