Mls vs nhl revenue and TV money would disagree with you
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Mls vs nhl revenue and TV money would disagree with you
entremet
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I like Lebron a lot, but it's hard to beat the charisma of Jordan, Barkley, Magic.
And Kobe, while being a great player, has always come of as brooding and Tim Duncan has no personality. Shaq was the last charismatic superstar for me.
But Lebron is good guy. His flopping is annoying, though.
XiaNaphryz
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MorisUkunRasik
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Future PhaZe
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We have a top 5 player in the sport and have been to the playoffs routinely for a while now. Meanwhile the Wiz just went through a rebuild and the Arenas years were plagued with injury.
We have fairweather fans here though. Other than the Redskins if a team isn't winning attendance is going to be down. The Wizards will be booming here if they ever get a good team together of course, but it's been forever since it's happened.
wsoxfan1214
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well don't get a shit cable and internet company then. I have never heard anything positive about time warner cable ever.
My apologies and sympathy goes out to you if you have no alternative though.
Comcast carries it on its primary package here. So does WOW if I remember correctly.
And yeah, 68 is the SD but its HD is included with a standard HD package. 168.
I think MLS has reached the "can't really make fun of it anymore" threshold of popularity. Attendance is rising, TV deals are being made, the financials are stable and the league is expanding steadily. Demographic changes in the US suggest this trend will only continue.
Still very small next to the big 4 however
That's only because American celebrity culture has entered the NBA. So it's less and less about the advancement of the sport, but more about marketing yourself as a brand. Everybody wants to be the next MJ, but they don't have a fraction of his skills, work ethic, talent and charisma. I don't think it's necessarily the players, as opposed to the culture of the league and the importance now on ratings, popularity and marketability.
I do agree the league needs to take a look at the sport overall, see how they can change it up and make it so it's more exciting to watch.
Kacho
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We definitely have fair weather fans here for sure.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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NHL games are so much more fun to watch in person than NBA games. There's no comparison. I have zero interest in the NBA until the late playoffs- when they actually start playing for real. College basketball is superior to the NBA in every way expect the skill level.
entremet
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Less games and higher stakes would help the NBA garner season interest.
MorisUkunRasik
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It's better except for when it comes to the game. Makes sense.
crimzonflame
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Boring since Jordan left (opinion) and the lack of parity (fact) is to blame.
ConfusingJazz
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You're forgetting college football between NFL and MLB.
The avg ticket prices lower for NHL maybe?
Lots of top NBA stars hurt this year. Rose Rondo ect.
Race factor comes to play also. Some people would rather watch college ball and the technical gap is huuuuggee.
Ignorance by many of the sport. People want college type game pro is better imo.
Grew up watching games in Cameron (Duke)
Here in Raleigh Canes are big and Bobcats in Charlotte have never been good.
The quality of play in NBA is great if you follow sport. We have the best league in the world but some will never be fans because if race factor. NFL has tons more arrest but NBA is thug league to ignorant.
NHL is good live on tv its a joke.
Love both but NBA is better IMO.
Lots of top NBA stars hurt this year. Rose Rondo ect.
Race factor comes to play also. Some people would rather watch college ball and the technical gap is huuuuggee.
Ignorance by many of the sport. People want college type game pro is better imo.
Grew up watching games in Cameron (Duke)
Here in Raleigh Canes are big and Bobcats in Charlotte have never been good.
The quality of play in NBA is great if you follow sport. We have the best league in the world but some will never be fans because if race factor. NFL has tons more arrest but NBA is thug league to ignorant.
NHL is good live on tv its a joke.
Love both but NBA is better IMO.
I stopped caring about the NBA when NBC stopped showing it. Doesn't help that the veil was pulled back and I saw the "sport" for what it really was when the Kings were jobbed out of the Finals that year (2002).
Woo-whoo! Go Tampa Bay!
Pretty shocking how the recession, and the lockout harmed the Avalanche overall. Went from almost 10+ straight seasons of sellouts from 95-04, to being beaten by Nashville, Anaheim, Buffalo etc.
Look at New Jersey and Dallas too. I have a friend who plays for the Stars, said it sucks seeing the stadium half empty sometimes.
Pretty crazy how a few good drafts, and having the greedy owner for the Blackhawks pass away has done wonders for the market there. His sons are far more capable at running the franchise.
Thing about the MLS is that it seems like a lot of the popularity with soccer growing in the US is going toward European soccer, particularly the EPL. I'm not sure if that helps the MLS by building fans of the sport or hurting it by taking away attention. MLS has definitely grown though.
Anyhoo, glad to see the NHL doing well. I've been following it for more or less a calender year now, but I enjoy it a lot. The playoffs last year were incredibly exciting.
Go Canes.
Malmorian
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Yuuuuuup! Gonna be great hockey though I can't bloody wait
They only overlap for a partial period each year though. MLS is a Spring-Fall sport, BPL is a Fall->Spring sport.
It also helps that the BPL is on earlier in the day, preventing almost all overlaps on the TV. I like both
BertramCooper
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I hate that we always get off to such shit starts. It's frustrating.
But I think attendance-wise, the CBJ do pretty well considering their complete lack of success. Not among the best in the league, obviously, but better than you'd expect. It certainly helps that Nationwide Arena is such a freaking amazing venue.
EDIT: Just saw that attendance chart. About where I'd expect them to be, and pretty much where they deserve to be until they prove themselves to be legit.
They only overlap for a partial period each year though. MLS is a Spring-Fall sport, BPL is a Fall->Spring sport.
It also helps that the BPL is on earlier in the day, preventing almost all overlaps on the TV. I like both
Guess it helps then. Or they help each other grow. I'm not much of a fan of the sport myself, but it is pretty nice to see it growing here.
Hari Seldon
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No way, it is going to be Can/USA in the gold medal game again. I doubt the Russians will even medal with that pathetic defense they have. I'm worried about the Fins, they could disrupt some stuff. They have the best goaltending and a solid defense.
bonesmccoy
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I'm quite pleased at how far the MLS has come in the past 20 years. My main problem with it right now - if you can call it a problem - is that home-grown players, the unsung types, make I think an average of $38k USD, while the big names make $500k - $2m USD.
Also, what you wrote applies to the NHL as much as it does the MLS. The league has been able to stabilize after 2 painful lockouts, it's been able to increase it's appeal to younger demographics, and just made a remarkable deal with Rogers for national broadcast rights in Canada.
Conflict NZ
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As far as the drop in NBA attendance goes, that's on the teams and the league. Because there are a bunch of teams in small markets they are unable to attract free agents so the only way to become competitive is to build through the draft but the draft is mostly based on a worst team picks first system with a lottery for the first three picks. So in order to get these decent picks teams lose on purpose so you end up with a situation where ~10 teams or a third of the league are losing on purpose. Who would want to go watch a game where a team loses 75-80% of their home games.
Fata1moose
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The Nashville and Tampa Bay tickets have to be pretty cheap though. I'm still mad about the attendance at Avs games though, it's improved this year, but there are too many fair weather fans in Colorado.
BertramCooper
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The single thing I hate most about the NBA is the playoff system.
It's just unbelievably terrible.
It's just unbelievably terrible.
entremet
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It's the same as hockey.
Conflict NZ
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Just curious, why do you think it's terrible?
childplease
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Yea basketball is too boring. Meanwhile Playoff NHL games are super exciting.
Fata1moose
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Yup, four rounds of best of 7 is better than a single game as the better team usually wins, less flukes.
entremet
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You could argue that flukes is what makes the NFL and NCAA Basketball so awesome to watch too due to single elimination.
I wouldn't want it in the NBA, though.
JesseEwiak
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Oh Jesus, well I'm happy for the NHL doing well, it's sad to the same trolling posts about how NBA basketball is horrible and there's no parity come up every time. Yes, the East sucks this year, but there's at least two entertaining as hell basketball games on nightly, the West has half a dozen legitimate title contenders, and oh right, Stephen Curry exists.
Also, the 'every NBA player is a thug and not likable' talking point should've died back in 2004 and let me remind you, LeBron is likely going to be the first billionaire athlete. You may not like him, but he is Michael Jordan to a whole generation of new basketball fans, especially if the Heat dominate the next 3-5 years of titles.
Also, the 'every NBA player is a thug and not likable' talking point should've died back in 2004 and let me remind you, LeBron is likely going to be the first billionaire athlete. You may not like him, but he is Michael Jordan to a whole generation of new basketball fans, especially if the Heat dominate the next 3-5 years of titles.
Fata1moose
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That's true, but I still prefer that the better team would win.
It's certainly much easier to market a single event, where you can place all of the good commercials, with a best of 7 you don't know when the championship game is going to be.
BertramCooper
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My NHL team has only made the playoffs once and got swept in the first round when they did, so quite honestly, I can't really offer much of an opinion on the NHL playoffs. I mean, I follow them and I know the structure, but I haven't had the opportunity to really experience them yet.
Any playoff system in which more than half of the league makes the playoffs is fundamentally flawed.
And more significantly, there is no need for every single series to be best of 7. At the very least, make the opening rounds best of 5. Hell, I'd go best of 3, best of 5, best of 7, best of 7. Basketball is not baseball. Seven games in every series is just overkill.
Fata1moose
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Every system is a little flawed, while less teams make it in the NFL, didn't a team below .500 make it into the playoffs a few years ago? Also, are the Blue Jackets your NHL team?
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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If you think no defense and going through the motions is superior, then I can see why you're an NBA fan.
MorisUkunRasik
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Being inferior at the game is inherently detrimental to the product.
entremet
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I do agree that 16 teams are overkill. The NBA used to have best of five for the opening round, but they switched to best of seven---a mistake in my opinion.
Vanillalite
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I personally dislike a lot of the NBA stadium design. I feel like a lot of aernas you sit to far back from the court.
At anyrate most everything has already been said. More gate attendance for NHL where NBA does ok on TV. Race still plays a factor in the NBA appearance to some people sadly.
Plus the current NBA structure makes the league extremely top heavy. 90% of the East is straight garbage. It is no wonder they have attendance woes.
At anyrate most everything has already been said. More gate attendance for NHL where NBA does ok on TV. Race still plays a factor in the NBA appearance to some people sadly.
Plus the current NBA structure makes the league extremely top heavy. 90% of the East is straight garbage. It is no wonder they have attendance woes.
They're different sports though. Hockey is parity-driven, so every team that makes it in has at least a small shot at winning the cup. The Kings did it from the 8 seed just a couple of years ago. I get Bertram Cooper's complaint about more than half the teams making the playoffs, but in the case of the NHL, the current playoff structure is very exciting.
The NBA has significantly less parity, so 16 teams is really too many for a single playoff, since only a handful of them really have any realistic shot at winning the championship.
BertramCooper
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One of the NFL Playoffs' biggest weaknesses is the often wildly varying strength of the divisions, which yes, does allow some pretty terrible teams to make it in upon occasion. But on the other side of the coin, you can have a 10-6 Browns team in 2007 get shut out of the playoffs, because fuck us, we're Cleveland and Jesus hates us.
Yup.
entremet
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I wonder how the West became so dominant? Greedier owners in the East?
KiwiLannister
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Lets be honest.
NBA > Professional League of Legends > NHL
The bigger concern for me is the injury problems in the NBA at the moment. It seems like half of the good players in the league are injured.
I was under the impression that the NHL was really struggling with TV ratings and that the NBA was very popular world wide. Not that surprised that people don't go to watch NBA games, the regular season is pretty boring because they play so many damn games.
NBA > Professional League of Legends > NHL
The bigger concern for me is the injury problems in the NBA at the moment. It seems like half of the good players in the league are injured.
I was under the impression that the NHL was really struggling with TV ratings and that the NBA was very popular world wide. Not that surprised that people don't go to watch NBA games, the regular season is pretty boring because they play so many damn games.
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