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[LordOcidax]

I said i already bought these games.... What are you on about?

Not talking about you… But don’t fool yourself, the majority of people download ilegal Roms.

 

[bender]

I still don't see how attacking emulation as a whole justifies this.

Attack rom pirating sites and people downloading roms. Attacking emulation makes no sense.

No one said it justifies it but it isn't terribly surprising.

 

[StereoVsn]

Let's not pretend that the vast majority of people aren't using emulators to pirate/get games for free, there are dozens of easily accessible websites to download ROMS and ISOs and the ones who Nintendo are going after are dumbasses who flaunt it and try to make money out of it.

And I think it’s fine to go after those people.

My issue is that in pursuing emulation to be declared illegal or even creating an atmosphere of uncertainty in working on emulation, the whole gaming community would be hurt.

I hate shitty performance of a lot of Switch games. So I buy them, rip them and play on PC.

And of course for a lot of other older systems, emulation or using MiSTer FPGA is an amazing option. Let’s take PS2. Playing PS2 games with proper upscaling on an actual modern TV is kind of a pain. While ripping a PS2 game and playing through emulator can provide a better experience (not every game of course).

 

[nkarafo]

Not talking about you… But don’t fool yourself, the majority of people download ilegal Roms.

So? They should go after them then. Go after people downloading illegal roms. Go after the sites hosting them.

 

[RoboFu]

Don't get me wrong, I love switch, but that is their fault for going with an Nvidia Android tablet instead of a more, lets say, customized design. Complexity also doubles as a copy protection mechanism.

Don't victim blame.... #itsametoo

 

[marquimvfs]

Let's not pretend that the vast majority of people aren't using emulators to pirate/get games for free, there are dozens of easily accessible websites to download ROMS and ISOs and the ones who Nintendo are going after are dumbasses who flaunt it and try to make money out of it.

Let's not pretend that the vast majority of gamers that do pirate games don't give a fuck about buying games and would happily buy a switch and jailbroke it in order to still play for free. The mere existence of an emulator isn't hurting Nintendo, it just, aside of piracy, enables the buyers to have a better than native experience.
Piracy is a problem that occurs independently of emulation, it's not causes by it.

Also, emulators don't generate games for free, modded original consoles do. Emulators don't distribute pirated copies of games, that's internet. If there were no pirated games over internet, would you still call emulation a tool of piracy?

 

[tkscz]

You mean to tell me that lawyers for a company that wants something gone will make untrue claims that have been proven legal in court in order to look more like a victim?

Yeah stuff like this was in the Yuzu document too. Regardless of Nintendo being told that emulators are legal in court, they, and other game companies (looking at you Sony), will continue to push them to be illegal.

 

[marquimvfs]

Don't victim blame.... #itsametoo

My fault, please don't cancel me, I'm not a nazi.

 

[LordOcidax]

So? They should go after them then. Go after people downloading illegal roms. Go after the sites hosting them.

That’s the problem, they always find a link between the emulators creator and roms sites or a code under copyright in the emulator. Thats way Nintendo lawyers are so efficient.

 

[VGEsoterica]

I still don't see how attacking emulation as a whole justifies this.

Attack rom pirating sites and people downloading roms. Attacking emulation makes no sense.

Because “Nintendos gotta Nintendo” is how they act. Petty. Which is a bummer

 

[Gambit2483]

Don't victim blame.... #itsametoo

 

[marquimvfs]

code under copyright in the emulator

When did that happened?

 

[nkarafo]

That’s the problem, they always find a link between the emulators creator and roms sites or a code under copyright in the emulator. Thats way Nintendo lawyers are so efficient.

If an emulator is using copyrighted code, that particular emulator is illegal. Sure, go after it.

That still doesn't make emulation as a whole illegal. Emulators normally/traditionally don't have such code in them.

OP suggests Nintendo deems emulation, as a whole, illegal. Not just a particular emulator, not just a particular author, pirate, etc. The whole thing.

That's why they are scum.

 

[LordOcidax]

When did that happened?

If i remember correctly, with the Dolphin. Could be wrong.

 

[LordOcidax]

If an emulator is using copyrighted code, that particular emulator is illegal. Sure, go after it.

That still doesn't make emulation as a whole illegal. Emulators normally/traditionally don't have such code in them.

OP suggests Nintendo deems emulation, as a whole, illegal. Not just a particular emulator, not just a particular author, pirate, etc. The whole thing.

That's why they are scum.

If the emulator creator doesn’t mess with ilegal roms or Copyrighted code, Nintendo doesn’t have a case, look at Analogue (Own hardware and plays Nintendo games). If Nintendo press the trigger is almost secured they have a case. Like i said before, Nintendo legal department are going to do their jobs if they find something.

 

[EDMIX]

Let me remind you, the company saying this has no issue charging full price for ports......

We know the real um "rea$on$" why they are saying this lol

 

[nkarafo]

If the emulator creator doesn’t mess with ilegal roms or Copyrighted code, Nintendo doesn’t have a case, look at Analogue (Own hardware and plays Nintendo games). If Nintendo press the trigger is almost secured they have a case. Like i said before, Nintendo legal department are going to do their jobs if they find something.

So then, OP is wrong about Nintendo going after emulation?

 

[bender]

If the emulator creator doesn’t mess with ilegal roms or Copyrighted code, Nintendo doesn’t have a case, look at Analogue (Own hardware and plays Nintendo games). If Nintendo press the trigger is almost secured they have a case. Like i said before, Nintendo legal department are going to do their jobs if they find something.

It might not mean anything, but Analog did shift away from shipping devices that would read ROMs from a SD card a while back so out of the box they do rely on carts to play games.

 

[marquimvfs]

If i remember correctly, with the Dolphin. Could be wrong.

So you remember it wrong. Dolphin never did that, they do include, to this day, the encryption keys from wii, although they're not used, the dumping tool already decripts the images. They were accused by Nintendo when tried to launch on Steam on the basis of DMCA anti-circumvention provisions.

 

[Robb]

 

[marquimvfs]

look at Analogue (Own hardware and plays Nintendo games)

If they made a Switch clone, you better believe they would sue Analogue.

 

[DeVeAn]

So, instead of overcoming the issue with ingenuity, let’s fight the entire internet. An emulator will be created quickly based on how aggressive they are.

 

[Lokaum D+]

fuck You Nintendo and thanks for building such easy system to emulate, its awesome to play everything u make in high def on my PC.

 

[LordOcidax]

So then, OP is wrong about Nintendo going after emulation?

If they go after you, is almost secure they have a case. Don’t blame Nintendo in that case, blame the emulator creator. Simple.

 

[VGEsoterica]

If i remember correctly, with the Dolphin. Could be wrong.

That was Yuzu. They had code from the Switch SDK inside the emulator. Big no no. Emulators need to be clean room reverse engineered

 

[LordOcidax]

It might not mean anything, but Analog did shift away from shipping devices that would read ROMs from a SD card a while back so out of the box they do rely on carts to play games.

An Smart desicion…

 

[Griffon]

If emulation is illegal, then all PCs are all illegal.

All BIOS are emulating IBM-owned proprietary BIOS software.
It was deemed legal because those third party bios were made in a clean room environment, the same way emulators are made.

And yes, those PC-clones were sold while the IBM PC was very much alive and current. And later third parties became the ISA consortium and took over the direction of the whole market away from IBM altogether.

And yeah, it was all legal. And the whole reason why we enjoy PCs as an open standard today. It wasn't meant to be one.

 

[nkarafo]

If they go after you, is almost secure they have a case. Don’t blame Nintendo in that case, blame the emulator creator. Simple.

I don't understand what you are talking about, sorry.

Emulation is legal. That's the end of the story. If Nintendo wants to attack it they are scum. Simple as that.

 

[LordOcidax]

If emulation is illegal, then all PCs are all illegal.

All BIOS are emulating IBM-owned proprietary BIOS software.
It was deemed legal because those third party bios were made in a clean room environment, the same way emulators are made.

Thats the problem, Nintendo always find something ilegal related to the emulator creator or the emulator itself.

 

[bender]

If emulation is illegal, then all PCs are all illegal.

Imagine how much better the world would be.

 

[Krathoon]

Dammit, Nintendo. Make sure you got your romsets.

 

[marquimvfs]

Thats the problem, Nintendo always find something ilegal related to the emulator creator or the emulator itself.

I understand your point now, but that doesn't make emulators, in general, ilegals. That just proves that someone broke the copyright laws.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

 

[BbMajor7th]

Yes, they are scum.

Is there a reason i should buy Ocarina of Time again in order to be able to play it on their new console?

I already bought the original one. I also bought it on the Wii VC. So i bought the same game twice already and i'm not talking about a remaster or anything... The same game.

So what if i play it on an emulator then? I don't give a shit about any other Nintendo console and i know i won't be able to play any of my bought copies there. So i play them on my PC for convenience because i don't want to have a N64 or a Wii connected (both consoles i already bought). What's your problem?

Not that I'd ever bat for Nintendo, but literally every multiplatform publisher does this. You want the new EA FC 25 on four different platforms on launch day? Then you'll be paying full price, four times over for the same game. No-one ever moans about this, but if a platform holder ports an old-ass game to a new platform and charges a fraction of the price to get it there, somehow it's hugely unfair. Why is that?

 

[nkarafo]

Not that I'd ever bat for Nintendo, but literally every multiplatform publisher does this. You want the new EA FC 25 on four different platforms on launch day? Then you'll be paying full price, four times over for the same game. No-one ever moans about this, but if a platform holder ports an old-ass game to a new platform and charges a fraction of the price to get it there, somehow it's hugely unfair. Why is that?

The other publishers don't attack emulation though. They let you play their games (you already bought) on an emulator if you want. Only Nintendo attacks emulators right now. And Sony did in the past and lost.

 

[RoboFu]

fuck You Nintendo and thanks for building such easy system to emulate, its awesome to play everything u make in high def on my PC.

you are saying you hate nintendo for being against emulators because people pirate switch games day one yet you pirating the switch games ?

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[LordOcidax]

The other publishers don't attack emulation though. They let you play their games (you already bought) on an emulator if you want. Only Nintendo attacks emulators right now. And Sony did in the past and lost.

They don’t have to, for obvious reasons… they attack piracy.

 

[nkarafo]

They don’t have to, for obvious reasons… they attack piracy.

Which is not the same at all.

 

[LordOcidax]

Which is not the same at all.

EA FC 25 is available on PC, and it’s not free DRM… For example.

 

[Zelduh]

Maybe people should stop being broke bitches and stealing their games.

 

[EDMIX]

Maybe people should stop being broke bitches and stealing their games.

no

 

[Zelduh]

no

It's okay, we understand you don't have a job and live in your mom's basement.

 

[nkarafo]

EA FC 25 is available on PC, and it’s not free DRM… For example.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe i'm dumb.

In other news, emulation is legal. No matter how you stretch it.

Maybe people should stop being broke bitches and stealing their games.

Okay?

What does that have to do with the emulators? You can't even use an emulator to steal a game, it does not provide links to rom sites.

 

[Zelduh]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe i'm dumb.

In other news, emulation is legal. No matter how you stretch it.



Okay?

What does that have to do with the emulators? You can't even use an emulator to steal a game, it does not provide links to rom sites.

Mmmmhmm sure, everyone believes that... wink wink nudge nudge

 

[EDMIX]

It's okay, we understand you don't have a job and live in your mom's basement.

I mean, I own a few properties and I'm a manager at a CRM company so..........yea

so...no lol

You really fucking pressed about this shit man? smh

cope

 

[bender]

It's okay, we understand you don't have a job and live in your mom's basement.

He lives in my basement.

 

[nkarafo]

Mmmmhmm sure, everyone believes that... wink wink nudge nudge

Believe what?

You literally can't do that with emulators.

I'm convince you never used one, you have no idea what you are talking about and all you know about emulators is some surface level biased article from Nintendo themselves.

 

[Edgelord79]

Shit company going to do shit things.

 

[Calico345]

What I find sad is that I don't believe it has anything to do with preserving the integrity of an original work. They just want to eliminate any way for people to play their games outside of paying THEM for the same old games again and again and again and again on their digital storefronts. They just want to keep charging you for The Legend of Zelda (NES) every time they release a new console, handheld, hybrid, gimmick device, etc.. I don't believe in doing illegal things like piracy. I believe in paying my honestly earned money for honestly made games. But all of these corporations have their own rackets and schemes and I'm not on board with those, either.

 

[VGEsoterica]

What I find sad is that I don't believe it has anything to do with preserving the integrity of an original work. They just want to eliminate any way for people to play their games outside of paying THEM for the same old games again and again and again and again on their digital storefronts. They just want to keep charging you for The Legend of Zelda (NES) every time they release a new console, handheld, hybrid, gimmick device, etc.. I don't believe in doing illegal things like piracy. I believe in paying my honestly earned money for honestly made games. But all of these corporations have their own rackets and schemes and I'm not on board with those, either.

If you paid once you have the right to play it again and again so long as you still own it. Companies trying to tell stories and weave yarns that you’ve gotta keep buying the same title every console are just profit driven