LordOcidax
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Not talking about you… But don’t fool yourself, the majority of people download ilegal Roms.
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Nintendo lawsuit states emulation "illegal" and even linking to emulators is "trafficking"....and even worse stuff
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bender
What time is it?
No one said it justifies it but it isn't terribly surprising.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
And I think it’s fine to go after those people.
My issue is that in pursuing emulation to be declared illegal or even creating an atmosphere of uncertainty in working on emulation, the whole gaming community would be hurt.
I hate shitty performance of a lot of Switch games. So I buy them, rip them and play on PC.
And of course for a lot of other older systems, emulation or using MiSTer FPGA is an amazing option. Let’s take PS2. Playing PS2 games with proper upscaling on an actual modern TV is kind of a pain. While ripping a PS2 game and playing through emulator can provide a better experience (not every game of course).
nkarafo
Member
So? They should go after them then. Go after people downloading illegal roms. Go after the sites hosting them.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Don't victim blame.... #itsametoo
marquimvfs
Member
Let's not pretend that the vast majority of gamers that do pirate games don't give a fuck about buying games and would happily buy a switch and jailbroke it in order to still play for free. The mere existence of an emulator isn't hurting Nintendo, it just, aside of piracy, enables the buyers to have a better than native experience.
Piracy is a problem that occurs independently of emulation, it's not causes by it.
Also, emulators don't generate games for free, modded original consoles do. Emulators don't distribute pirated copies of games, that's internet. If there were no pirated games over internet, would you still call emulation a tool of piracy?
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tkscz
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You mean to tell me that lawyers for a company that wants something gone will make untrue claims that have been proven legal in court in order to look more like a victim?
Yeah stuff like this was in the Yuzu document too. Regardless of Nintendo being told that emulators are legal in court, they, and other game companies (looking at you Sony), will continue to push them to be illegal.
Yeah stuff like this was in the Yuzu document too. Regardless of Nintendo being told that emulators are legal in court, they, and other game companies (looking at you Sony), will continue to push them to be illegal.
marquimvfs
Member
My fault, please don't cancel me, I'm not a nazi.
LordOcidax
Member
That’s the problem, they always find a link between the emulators creator and roms sites or a code under copyright in the emulator. Thats way Nintendo lawyers are so efficient.
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VGEsoterica
Member
Because “Nintendos gotta Nintendo” is how they act. Petty. Which is a bummer
Gambit2483
Member
marquimvfs
Member
When did that happened?
nkarafo
Member
If an emulator is using copyrighted code, that particular emulator is illegal. Sure, go after it.
That still doesn't make emulation as a whole illegal. Emulators normally/traditionally don't have such code in them.
OP suggests Nintendo deems emulation, as a whole, illegal. Not just a particular emulator, not just a particular author, pirate, etc. The whole thing.
That's why they are scum.
LordOcidax
Member
If i remember correctly, with the Dolphin. Could be wrong.
LordOcidax
Member
If the emulator creator doesn’t mess with ilegal roms or Copyrighted code, Nintendo doesn’t have a case, look at Analogue (Own hardware and plays Nintendo games). If Nintendo press the trigger is almost secured they have a case. Like i said before, Nintendo legal department are going to do their jobs if they find something.
nkarafo
Member
So then, OP is wrong about Nintendo going after emulation?
bender
What time is it?
It might not mean anything, but Analog did shift away from shipping devices that would read ROMs from a SD card a while back so out of the box they do rely on carts to play games.
marquimvfs
Member
So you remember it wrong. Dolphin never did that, they do include, to this day, the encryption keys from wii, although they're not used, the dumping tool already decripts the images. They were accused by Nintendo when tried to launch on Steam on the basis of DMCA anti-circumvention provisions.
marquimvfs
Member
If they made a Switch clone, you better believe they would sue Analogue.
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LordOcidax
Member
If they go after you, is almost secure they have a case. Don’t blame Nintendo in that case, blame the emulator creator. Simple.
VGEsoterica
Member
That was Yuzu. They had code from the Switch SDK inside the emulator. Big no no. Emulators need to be clean room reverse engineered
LordOcidax
Member
An Smart desicion…
Griffon
Member
If emulation is illegal, then all PCs are all illegal.
All BIOS are emulating IBM-owned proprietary BIOS software.
It was deemed legal because those third party bios were made in a clean room environment, the same way emulators are made.
And yes, those PC-clones were sold while the IBM PC was very much alive and current. And later third parties became the ISA consortium and took over the direction of the whole market away from IBM altogether.
And yeah, it was all legal. And the whole reason why we enjoy PCs as an open standard today. It wasn't meant to be one.
All BIOS are emulating IBM-owned proprietary BIOS software.
It was deemed legal because those third party bios were made in a clean room environment, the same way emulators are made.
And yes, those PC-clones were sold while the IBM PC was very much alive and current. And later third parties became the ISA consortium and took over the direction of the whole market away from IBM altogether.
And yeah, it was all legal. And the whole reason why we enjoy PCs as an open standard today. It wasn't meant to be one.
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nkarafo
Member
I don't understand what you are talking about, sorry.
Emulation is legal. That's the end of the story. If Nintendo wants to attack it they are scum. Simple as that.
LordOcidax
Member
Thats the problem, Nintendo always find something ilegal related to the emulator creator or the emulator itself.
bender
What time is it?
marquimvfs
Member
I understand your point now, but that doesn't make emulators, in general, ilegals. That just proves that someone broke the copyright laws.
MrTroubleMaker
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BbMajor7th
Member
Not that I'd ever bat for Nintendo, but literally every multiplatform publisher does this. You want the new EA FC 25 on four different platforms on launch day? Then you'll be paying full price, four times over for the same game. No-one ever moans about this, but if a platform holder ports an old-ass game to a new platform and charges a fraction of the price to get it there, somehow it's hugely unfair. Why is that?
nkarafo
Member
The other publishers don't attack emulation though. They let you play their games (you already bought) on an emulator if you want. Only Nintendo attacks emulators right now. And Sony did in the past and lost.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
you are saying you hate nintendo for being against emulators because people pirate switch games day one yet you pirating the switch games ?
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LordOcidax
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nkarafo
Member
Which is not the same at all.They don’t have to, for obvious reasons… they attack piracy.
LordOcidax
Member
EA FC 25 is available on PC, and it’s not free DRM… For example.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
no
It's okay, we understand you don't have a job and live in your mom's basement.
nkarafo
Member
I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe i'm dumb.
In other news, emulation is legal. No matter how you stretch it.
Okay?
What does that have to do with the emulators? You can't even use an emulator to steal a game, it does not provide links to rom sites.
Mmmmhmm sure, everyone believes that... wink wink nudge nudge
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
I mean, I own a few properties and I'm a manager at a CRM company so..........yea
so...no lol
You really fucking pressed about this shit man? smh
cope
bender
What time is it?
He lives in my basement.
nkarafo
Member
Believe what?
You literally can't do that with emulators.
I'm convince you never used one, you have no idea what you are talking about and all you know about emulators is some surface level biased article from Nintendo themselves.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Shit company going to do shit things.
Calico345
Gold Member
What I find sad is that I don't believe it has anything to do with preserving the integrity of an original work. They just want to eliminate any way for people to play their games outside of paying THEM for the same old games again and again and again and again on their digital storefronts. They just want to keep charging you for The Legend of Zelda (NES) every time they release a new console, handheld, hybrid, gimmick device, etc.. I don't believe in doing illegal things like piracy. I believe in paying my honestly earned money for honestly made games. But all of these corporations have their own rackets and schemes and I'm not on board with those, either.
VGEsoterica
Member
If you paid once you have the right to play it again and again so long as you still own it. Companies trying to tell stories and weave yarns that you’ve gotta keep buying the same title every console are just profit driven
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