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[Impotaku]

Thread become full piracy support now, reminder that’s ban worthy here.

Piracy doesn’t count when they are stealing Nintendo stuff. Been like that on here for years. The entitlement is off the charts.

 

[nkarafo]

Thread become full piracy support now, reminder that’s ban worthy here.

You know what else used to be ban worthy here? Associating emulation with piracy.

Piracy doesn’t count when they are stealing Nintendo stuff.

Who the f is "they"? You assume posters in this thread are stealing games?

 

[LordOcidax]

You know what else used to be ban worthy here? Associating emulation with piracy.



Who the f is "they"? You assume posters in this thread are stealing games?

Now i know that promoting FREE STUFF/GAMES is emulation…

 

[Trilobit]

Banning emulation because it can be used for pirated games is like banning knives because they can be used to hurt someone.

 

[LordOcidax]

Banning emulation because it can be used for pirated games is like banning knives because they can be used to hurt someone.

We already had that discussion in this thread

 

[Trilobit]

We already had that discussion in this thread

Oh I see, the consensus is that it's as stupid as banning knives. I'm glad Gaf has reasonable opinions on this subject.

 

[PendekarRajawali]

The only solution to this is Nintendo should produce hardware with alien technology like PS3. Difficult to master and emulate. The Nintendo platform games come from their own internal developers anyway. Third party support is good but not really essential in their situation.

 

[Impotaku]

You know what else used to be ban worthy here? Associating emulation with piracy.



Who the f is "they"? You assume posters in this thread are stealing games?

They as in GAF users. when TOTK got leaked 2 weeks early there were people on here playing via emulation you think they all ripped a retail copy? Already someone in the Mario & Luigi ot that admitted to playing a pre release copy.

About time mods start enforcing proof if you rip your games to play on emulators then fine but be prepared to show proof you actually own them. Stealing brand new games is especially fucked up.

 

[StereoVsn]

Sony sued emulators devs twice (lost both lawsuits), Microsoft tried to ban the sell of used games, Ubisoft removed a legally bought game from user's catalog without prior notice and so on.
I think that most companies have their fair share of anti-consumer moves, I don't think that what Nintendo does, even if it is real bad, is the worst example of asshood.

Unlike other companies Nintendo likes to sue individual users quite a bit. MS, Sony never went after individual streamers, pirates, mod chip shops, etc….

I could be forgetting about Sony, to be fair, but at least from what I remember.

 

[LordOcidax]

Unlike other companies Nintendo likes to sue individual users quite a bit. MS, Sony never went after individual streamers, pirates, mod chip shops, etc….

I could be forgetting about Sony, to be fair, but at least from what I remember.

Some of you say that Nintendo needs to sue individuals instead of Emulators creators, that’s what Nintendo is doing, going after who they thing’s that are breaking the law. Also, Sony lost in court vs bleem and due the big amount of money that bleem owners spent in lawyers they go bankrupt. Sony is the only company that have reached a court vs an emulator maker… If i remember correctly.

 

[nkarafo]

They as in GAF users. when TOTK got leaked 2 weeks early there were people on here playing via emulation you think they all ripped a retail copy? Already someone in the Mario & Luigi ot that admitted to playing a pre release copy.

About time mods start enforcing proof if you rip your games to play on emulators then fine but be prepared to show proof you actually own them. Stealing brand new games is especially fucked up.

That's not how it works. You are the one accusing someone for stealing, you are the one who needs to prove it.

Did you report those users then? Did you prove they stole something?

Parading to emulation threads, accusing everyone for stealing is especially fucked up. And bannable.

Sony lost in court vs bleem and due the big amount of money that bleem owners spent in lawyers they go bankrupt.

Imagine how fucked up the justice system is that even after you prove your case and win, you still lose.

 

[LordOcidax]

Imagine how fucked up the justice system is that even after you prove your case and win, you still lose.

Thats why is not smart to mess with billionaires companies… and specifically companies like Nintendo, they are going to defends theirs IPs no matter what.

 

[nkarafo]

Thats why is not smart to mess with billionaires companies… and specifically companies like Nintendo, they are going to defends theirs IPs no matter what.

Yes, that's the solution. If the justice system is so corrupted don't mess with the ones who exploit it.

I mean, it's a good advice.

 

[LordOcidax]

Yes, that's the solution. If the justice system is so corrupted don't mess with the ones who exploit it.

I mean, it's a good advice.

Don’t mess with their stuff and done. Problem solved.

 

[nkarafo]

Don’t mess with their stuff and done. Problem solved.

Define "mess with their stuff".

 

[gaheris]

Most people that will use emulators don't talk about it; they are just doing it. If you are out there streaming games yet to be released via emulators then you reap what you sow. Regardless of your stance on emulators as a whole that is just being stupid because you are putting yourself on the firing line. That's what Jesse Keighin did, he was asked to stop many, many times and didn't. Nintendo didn't want to sue them but they thumbed their nose at them repeatedly and this is what they get. If he had stopped, the issue might have just ended then and there but he thought he was above it, thus Nintendo sent their legal ninjas to make an example of him.

 

[nkarafo]

Most people that will use emulators don't talk about it;

You confuse emulator users with pirates.

Most people who pirate don't talk about it.

If you are out there streaming games yet to be released via emulators then you reap what you sow.

Yes, the bolded part is where that guy did wrong.

Everything else is unrelated.

 

[marquimvfs]

Sony is the only company that have reached a court vs an emulator maker… If i remember correctly.

Yep, twice. With both ConnectiX VGS and Bleem. Lost both.

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

Yes, they are scum.

Is there a reason i should buy Ocarina of Time again in order to be able to play it on their new console?

I already bought the original one. I also bought it on the Wii VC. So i bought the same game twice already and i'm not talking about a remaster or anything... The same game.

So what if i play it on an emulator then? I don't give a shit about any other Nintendo console and i know i won't be able to play any of my bought copies there. So i play them on my PC for convenience because i don't want to have a N64 or a Wii connected (both consoles i already bought). What's your problem?

I’m the happiest emulator on the planet, and I’m no fan of Nintendo when they are actually being bullies. But this makes no sense.

If you had bought a movie on VHS, would you be entitled to get the DVD for free? And if you bought a movie in DVD/BR, would you be entitled to a digital copy you didn’t pay for?
If you bought a book 20 years ago and your copy is battered and barely readable without crumbling to pieces, should a bookshop give you a new copy for free? Or should you be entitled to endless digital copies of it that are sold on digital storefronts, just because you bought a copy of the book in the past?

A new copy is a new copy, especially with physical media.
Some digital media are bound to an agreement that allows you to download a number of copies on different devices. This is not the case with most video games, at least not when different gaming platforms do not use the same OS or ecosystem. Switch is not N64 or Wii, and you didn’t get a licence to use the same software on future devices when you bought your old copies. That’s all there is to it, really.
Emulating your own bought copy is legal, of course, but we all know why Nintendo is going after this dumbass. Why defend an idiot who thought it’d be cool to flex by broadcasting a game that’s not officially out yet, on a platform that isn’t the one the game is supposed to be played on?

And then I don’t understand why people keep blabbing about “rebuying” old Nintendo games. Except for the WiiU games being remastered on Switch, their older games aren’t currently on sale and they’re only available through NSO. Also, if I have The Terminator on DVD, I’ll still have to pay Netflix or whatever streaming service has the movie right now if I want to see it in streaming, ie, a different copy of the movie than the one I already own.

Bottom line: Nintendo aren’t saints, but let’s at least make valid complaints

 

[nkarafo]

I’m the happiest emulator on the planet, and I’m no fan of Nintendo when they are actually being bullies. But this makes no sense.

If you had bought a movie on VHS, would you be entitled to get the DVD for free? And if you bought a movie in DVD/BR, would you be entitled to a digital copy you didn’t pay for?
If you bought a book 20 years ago and your copy is battered and barely readable without crumbling to pieces, should a bookshop give you a new copy for free? Or should you be entitled to endless digital copies of it that are sold on digital storefronts, just because you bought a copy of the book in the past?

A new copy is a new copy, especially with physical media.

But when emulating, my goal is not to get a new copy. My goal is to use my old copy on a different device.

My copy of OOT is not broken, it still works on the N64. But i want to be able to play that particular copy on a different device that's more convenient and offers some enhancements.

Yes, if i have a VHS i'm not entitled on a new DVD. Obviously that DVD is a different product. But i should be able to digitize my VHS, transfer it into a blank DVD and play it on my DVD player or any other device in the future. And maybe i could fix the colors and some other issues in the process.

 

[drotahorror]

They as in GAF users. when TOTK got leaked 2 weeks early there were people on here playing via emulation you think they all ripped a retail copy? Already someone in the Mario & Luigi ot that admitted to playing a pre release copy.

About time mods start enforcing proof if you rip your games to play on emulators then fine but be prepared to show proof you actually own them. Stealing brand new games is especially fucked up.

If you mention you pirate on gaf you will get warned/banned. That's all that needs to happen. We really don't need extra policing. Next thing ya know you're going to be asking for copies of your driver's license to prove your age.

Don't need that shit here.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Man, let's get back to the real world, most people (almost everyone, actually) who use emulators download ROMS illegally to run on them, do you really want a study to say something so obvious?

Could be every single being in every single universe. Emulators are still ok.

 

[FF:Enhanced_Reality]

Aaaaaand this is why I hate Nintendo. Even now, Switch launch titles are £40+ and they show no signs of coming down. It's ridiculous. But they leave behind a huge back catalogue with no way to play or enjoy it. They make little to no effort on backwards compatibility and then attack people who own the console and game but want a better experience that a more powerful device can offer. Well if you did that and preserved your library, it wouldn't be an issue?

 

[RoboFu]

Aaaaaand this is why I hate Nintendo. Even now, Switch launch titles are £40+ and they show no signs of coming down. It's ridiculous. But they leave behind a huge back catalogue with no way to play or enjoy it. They make little to no effort on backwards compatibility and then attack people who own the console and game but want a better experience that a more powerful device can offer. Well if you did that and preserved your library, it wouldn't be an issue?

What Nintendo games that are not on their virtual console that they are leaving behind?

 

[HogIsland]

Thread become full piracy support now, reminder that’s ban worthy here.

Emulation is not copyright infringement

 

[rodrigolfp]

They as in GAF users. when TOTK got leaked 2 weeks early there were people on here playing via emulation you think they all ripped a retail copy? Already someone in the Mario & Luigi ot that admitted to playing a pre release copy.

About time mods start enforcing proof if you rip your games to play on emulators then fine but be prepared to show proof you actually own them. Stealing brand new games is especially fucked up.

Good idea!!! Also every single player of all "piratable" game have to proof that they have a original copy to even be able to discuss about the game.

 

[LordOcidax]

Emulation is not copyright infringement

Agree, but saying that Free stuff/illegal roms is good is not.

 

[marquimvfs]

Agree, but saying that Free stuff/illegal roms is good is not.

Did anybody here said that?

 

[HogIsland]

Agree, but saying that Free stuff/illegal roms is good is not.

hall monitor brain

 

[Minsc]

I’m the happiest emulator on the planet, and I’m no fan of Nintendo when they are actually being bullies. But this makes no sense.

If you had bought a movie on VHS, would you be entitled to get the DVD for free? And if you bought a movie in DVD/BR, would you be entitled to a digital copy you didn’t pay for?
If you bought a book 20 years ago and your copy is battered and barely readable without crumbling to pieces, should a bookshop give you a new copy for free? Or should you be entitled to endless digital copies of it that are sold on digital storefronts, just because you bought a copy of the book in the past?

A new copy is a new copy, especially with physical media.
Some digital media are bound to an agreement that allows you to download a number of copies on different devices. This is not the case with most video games, at least not when different gaming platforms do not use the same OS or ecosystem. Switch is not N64 or Wii, and you didn’t get a licence to use the same software on future devices when you bought your old copies. That’s all there is to it, really.
Emulating your own bought copy is legal, of course, but we all know why Nintendo is going after this dumbass. Why defend an idiot who thought it’d be cool to flex by broadcasting a game that’s not officially out yet, on a platform that isn’t the one the game is supposed to be played on?

And then I don’t understand why people keep blabbing about “rebuying” old Nintendo games. Except for the WiiU games being remastered on Switch, their older games aren’t currently on sale and they’re only available through NSO. Also, if I have The Terminator on DVD, I’ll still have to pay Netflix or whatever streaming service has the movie right now if I want to see it in streaming, ie, a different copy of the movie than the one I already own.

Bottom line: Nintendo aren’t saints, but let’s at least make valid complaints

If I buy a UHD (or regular) bluray, the sole reason I buy it is to create a digital copy to add to my Plex library. I don't even own a bluray player (digital PS5) outside of the drive to rip blurays. Sometimes after you buy a piece of physical media it's best to just stop worrying about the BS the billion dollar companies are doing to screw you over if all you intend to do is use the product you purchased in your own home, and just enjoy the product you paid for.

 

[LordOcidax]

I still don't see how attacking emulation as a whole justifies this.

Attack rom pirating sites and people downloading roms. Attacking emulation makes no sense.

Looks like you’re are missing some threads here, some people call Nintendo a company for doing exactly that… But i think is a matter of mentality of some people is the same as capitalism vs socialism discussion, some people just think they deserve free stuff because YES, also Nintendo is a big millionaire company… But i think is pretty obvious on why Nintendo is so aggressive with this kind of things.

 

[Esppiral]

Nintendo can say whatever they want, emulation is not illegal.

They should release decent hardware so it doesn't get emulated one year later to begin with.

 

[nkarafo]

Looks like you’re are missing some threads here, some people call Nintendo a company for doing exactly that…

I'm not missing anything i know this also happens. And i don't agree with these people.

Rom sharing sites are illegal, if Nintendo wants to raid them, all power to them.

But they should keep their tentacles away from emulators.

 

[Lunarorbit]

Nintendo is that uncle crying that they are cash poor while driving an audi.

Fuck outta here Nintendo. Enough of your bullshit harassment and litigation.

 

[Trilobit]

But when emulating, my goal is not to get a new copy. My goal is to use my old copy on a different device.

My copy of OOT is not broken, it still works on the N64. But i want to be able to play that particular copy on a different device that's more convenient and offers some enhancements.

Yes, if i have a VHS i'm not entitled on a new DVD. Obviously that DVD is a different product. But i should be able to digitize my VHS, transfer it into a blank DVD and play it on my DVD player or any other device in the future. And maybe i could fix the colors and some other issues in the process.

That's actually one of the weird parts we accept with consoles. That you can only play the games on one device. Imagine if dvd-player manufacturers forced you to watch Warner Bros. movies on Sony players and then Universal made you buy a Phillips player. Once you've bought a copy for a game and you upload your BIOS from the console to the emulator nobody else should have any say in the matter what you do then.

 

[360fps]

Agree, but saying that Free stuff/illegal roms is good is not.

It is very good and morally correct in every world religion IF the company is evil.

Surah An-Nisa - 105-135
Do not advocate for those who wrong themselves. Surely Allah does not like those who are deceitful, sinful.

Psalms 37:9
For those who are evil will be destroyed, but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the land.

Tengrisim (one and only true religion)
If a soul was extremely evil during its life on earth, he(Tengri) may send it to Ela Guren, a part of the lower world where souls are extinguished forever.

 

[Valonquar]

Surprised they didn't just patent all forms of game emulation and then sue them for that.

 

[UnrealEck]

Release your games on Steam. Then people won't emulate your hardware.

 

[Closer]

It is very good and morally correct in every world religion IF the company is evil.

Surah An-Nisa - 105-135
Do not advocate for those who wrong themselves. Surely Allah does not like those who are deceitful, sinful.

Psalms 37:9
For those who are evil will be destroyed, but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the land.

Tengrisim (one and only true religion)
If a soul was extremely evil during its life on earth, he(Tengri) may send it to Ela Guren, a part of the lower world where souls are extinguished forever.

Oh, I have a good one!

Matthew 7:1-3

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

​

 

[LordOcidax]

It is very good and morally correct in every world religion IF the company is evil.

Surah An-Nisa - 105-135
Do not advocate for those who wrong themselves. Surely Allah does not like those who are deceitful, sinful.

Psalms 37:9
For those who are evil will be destroyed, but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the land.

Tengrisim (one and only true religion)
If a soul was extremely evil during its life on earth, he(Tengri) may send it to Ela Guren, a part of the lower world where souls are extinguished forever.

Oh, I have a good one!

Matthew 7:1-3

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

​

Ok, I surrender

 

[360fps]

Oh, I have a good one!

Matthew 7:1-3

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Utupe leo chakula chetu___________________Give us our daily bread
Tunachohitaji utusamehe__________________That we need, forgive us
Makosa yetu, hey!__________________________Our trespases, hey!
Kama nasi tunavyowasamehe______________As we forgive
Waliotukosea usitutie_______________________Those who've wronged us, lead us not
Katika majaribu, lakini_______________________Into temptation, but
Utuokoe, na yule, milelea milele!____________Deliver us from the evil one(Nintendo) forever!
Ufalme Wako Ufike Utakalo_________________Thy kingdom come, thy will be done
Lifanyike Duniani Kama Mbinguni (Amina)__On Earth as it is in Heaven. (Amen)

Perfectly summarises why emulation is morally right imho.

 

[Closer]

Ok, I surrender

Bro was talking about a company then "soul", "life", like c'mon LOL

Utupe leo chakula chetu___________________Give us our daily bread
Tunachohitaji utusamehe__________________That we need, forgive us
Makosa yetu, hey!__________________________Our trespases, hey!
Kama nasi tunavyowasamehe______________As we forgive
Waliotukosea usitutie_______________________Those who've wronged us, lead us not
Katika majaribu, lakini_______________________Into temptation, but
Utuokoe, na yule, milelea milele!____________Deliver us from the evil one forever!
Ufalme Wako Ufike Utakalo_________________Thy kingdom come, thy will be done
Lifanyike Duniani Kama Mbinguni (Amina)__On Earth as it is in Heaven. (Amen)

Perfectly summarises why emulation is morally right imho.

You really missed the point lol

 

[360fps]

Bro was talking about a company then "soul", "life", like c'mon LOL



You really missed the point lol

A company could be the tool of evil, which every religion from the land of Zulu to the land of Tengri shuns! Both Jesus and Allah condemns evil. IF a company is acting evil, then there is no defending it from a religious perspective.

 

[Closer]

A company could be the tool of evil, which every religion from the land of Zulu to the land of Tengri shuns! Both Jesus and Allah condemns evil. IF a company is acting evil, then there is no defending it from a religious perspective.

Do you believe that a tool used for evil is evil by itself? Be honest bro lol Stop holy-playing lol

 

[360fps]

Do you believe that a tool used for evil is evil by itself? Be honest bro lol Stop holy-playing lol

Yes evil exists and it can be in form of a company or person or both.

 

[Closer]

Yes evil exists and it can be in form of a company or person or both.

Sure bro

 

[SportsFan581]

Doesn't matter, whoever has more money wins.

Maybe, I just don't see what the legal grounds would be if someone reverse engineers an emulator without using Nintendo's bios (or at least requires users to provide a bios and keys, etc. on their own). At that point the emulator has nothing to do with Nintendo. Super bad for game preservation if the courts go that far. Would be a huge step towards you own nothing and will like it I guess.

 

[rabbity-thing]

Why are we still having the "are emulators wrong" conversation?

Nintendo themselves use emulators. Emulators are simply programs that allow hardware to run programs that were designed for different hardware.

Emulation ≠ Piracy

Nintendo would be stupid to try and equate the two. It would be very easy for lawyers to attack that line of reasoning.

 

[nkarafo]

Maybe, I just don't see what the legal grounds would be if someone reverse engineers an emulator without using Nintendo's bios (or at least requires users to provide a bios and keys, etc. on their own). At that point the emulator has nothing to do with Nintendo. Super bad for game preservation if the courts go that far. Would be a huge step towards you own nothing and will like it I guess.

They don't need legal grounds. Just money.

Look at what happened to Bleem. They won the case but got bankrupt anyway because god knows how much money they wasted for legal fees and lawyers. Which made it easy for Sony to buy them afterwards. So one way or another, despite Bleem wining, the emulator got killed anyway like Sony wanted. So what did Bleem win exactly?

Now imagine you are not a small company (like the Bleem devs) and just a minimum wage individual who likes to code emulators. You have all the legal grounds and rights to do this but Nintendo sues you anyway... Does it really matter if you could win the case at court? Are you willing to sacrifice yourself, your family, your home, etc, to do it?

I would just take the settlement, whatever that would be. It's not worth it.

Now i'm not saying Nintendo doesn't have legal grounds against Yuzu or that streamer guy. But i'm not sure about Ryujinx. And who knows who they will attack next. Every emulator developer is a free kill basically because of how rotten the justice system is.

Nintendo would be stupid to try and equate the two. It would be very easy for lawyers to attack that line of reasoning.

And expensive.

 

[BacklashWave534]

I didn't realize that anyone granted Nintendo the power to interpret US law. Add that to thier bully tactics of going after people without the funds to defend themselves and it really shows what type of company they are.