Nintendo should focus on better franchises than Xenoblade

Keep Western combat out of my JRPG's please.

I haven't played a whole lot of WRPG's but the one thing Dragon Age, Mass Effect and Witcher have in common is that the combat in all of 'em is completely boring. The only one that had a good and enjoyable combat system was Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning.
 
GigaBowser said:
I just think they put an awful lot of effort in these games to sell 2 million, which is decent but one of their lowest franchises.

If it had more westernised combat it would probably do much better.
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Western combat is a hard pass but if they wholesale lifted Star Ocean's combat and dropped it in Xenoblade it would please a lot of people.

It would also piss off many of their current fans but eff those guys, they're weird.
 
Oof85 said:
Western combat is a hard pass but if they wholesale lifted Star Ocean's combat and dropped it in Xenoblade it would please a lot of people.

It would also piss off many of their current fans but eff those guys, they're weird.
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Eh, Star Ocean combat should be kept there. More variation is better!
 
Astral Dog said:
suddendly thousands, then millions of gamers were buying 3DS to play Fire Emblem,
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I'm not so sure that many people were buying 3DS to play that then the install base that was already there were buying the game with some people buying a 3DS for it. Fire Emblem isn't really a system mover, maybe in Japan but the implication of millions of gamers buying 3DS to play Fire Emblem seems a bit biased toward Fire Emblem. Plus, from what I can find the latest sales numbers years after launch for the game are between 1.7-1.9 million, that seems in line with the average above average hit on the 3DS. So millions isn't even possible.
 
Agreed.
I don't like SciFi crap in jrpgs! Also the battle system is needlessly complicated in Xenoblade games.

but there are still some highly-anticipated games coming out for Switch this year... there's Splatoon 3, Bayonetta 3 and Scarlet/Violet so that's something.
 
I like the aesthetic of Xenoblade but have tried so many times to get into them and I just find the story and battles to just be so…boring…
 
Chastten said:
Keep Western combat out of my JRPG's please.

I haven't played a whole lot of WRPG's but the one thing Dragon Age, Mass Effect and Witcher have in common is that the combat in all of 'em is completely boring. The only one that had a good and enjoyable combat system was Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning.
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I don't support the "make it western" push per se, but Xenoblade's combat isn't exactly thrilling either. Feels like watching a stock ticker or something.

That said, it is entirely possible that as a casual player of the series I don't understand it to a depth that my opinion would be worth a damn. Still, for me, not a super-compelling combat system (though still better than most JRPGs).
 
Eddie-Griffin said:
I'm not so sure that many people were buying 3DS to play that then the install base that was already there were buying the game with some people buying a 3DS for it. Fire Emblem isn't really a system mover, maybe in Japan but the implication of millions of gamers buying 3DS to play Fire Emblem seems a bit biased toward Fire Emblem. Plus, from what I can find the latest sales numbers years after launch for the game are between 1.7-1.9 million, that seems in line with the average above average hit on the 3DS. So millions isn't even possible.
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It was a big hit for Nintendo,they were expecting far less than a million, the fanbase growed from an already impressive 1.5/9 to 3 million for FATES(then stayed at above 3 million for Three Houses, a single release). 3DS Fire Emblem console bundle was impossible to find, Wikipedia speculates the rise in Jrpgs is mostly thanks to Awakening, so im going with that,my point still stands. 🤭

This also why they rushed Three Houses to come out early on the Switch, produced 4 spin offs, and put many, many FE characters on Smash Bros, its not that its the best selling, its because it has a growing dedicated audience and prestige, same with Xenoblade today
 
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Astral Dog said:
It was a big hit for Nintendo,they were expecting far less than a million, the fanbase growed from an already impressive 1.5/9 to 3 million for FATES(then stayed at above 3 million for Three Houses, a single release). 3DS Fire Emblem console bundle was impossible to find, Wikipedia speculates the rise in Jrpgs is mostly thanks to Awakening, so im going with that,my point still stands. 🤭

This also why they rushed Three Houses to come out early on the Switch, produced 4 spin offs, and put many, many FE characters on Smash Bros, its not that its the best selling, its because it has a growing dedicated audience and prestige, same with Xenoblade today
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I still think you are being overly giddy, especially since you said millions were buying 3DS's for wakening.

As for rise of Jrpgs are you talking about on Nintendo portables? Because Jrpgs didn't really rise, Fire Emblem just took the place of some others that fell off. Jrpgs are generally not much of an issue on Nintendo machines outside Japan as they are on consoles in the west, so I'm not surprised eventually Fire Emblem caught on. Especially since they actually started marketing it, and given how Smash Bros kept growing, and Fire Emblem characters were among popular choices it was only a matter of time.

I don't think Fire Emblem will sell Xenoblade numbers though without a more ambitious AAA title, but I think of that happens they could reach that. Though Nintendo seems to be kind of mixed on doing that for some reason.
 
I'm glad Xenoblade still exist and didn't dumb down the combat just try appeal to non-fans, there are 1000 other RPGs out there, if you dont like how combat plays in Xenoblade games then go play something else.

Great thing about video games is they variety of games out there that appeal to different people, not every game is for everyone.
 
Danjin44 said:
I'm glad Xenoblade still exist and didn't dumb down the combat just try appeal to non-fans, there are 1000 other RPGs out there, if you dont like how combat plays in Xenoblade games then go play something else.

Great thing about video games is they variety of games out there that appeal to different people, not every game is for everyone.
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You can't stop it from happening.

Nintendo see them Monster Hunter and Elden Ring sales and they be mirin
 
Eddie-Griffin said:
I still think you are being overly giddy, especially since you said millions were buying 3DS's for wakening.

As for rise of Jrpgs are you talking about on Nintendo portables? Because Jrpgs didn't really rise, Fire Emblem just took the place of some others that fell off. Jrpgs are generally not much of an issue on Nintendo machines outside Japan as they are on consoles in the west, so I'm not surprised eventually Fire Emblem caught on. Especially since they actually started marketing it, and given how Smash Bros kept growing, and Fire Emblem characters were among popular choices it was only a matter of time.

I don't think Fire Emblem will sell Xenoblade numbers though without a more ambitious AAA title, but I think of that happens they could reach that. Though Nintendo seems to be kind of mixed on doing that for some reason.
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I believe you are a little confused friend, the jrpgs on 3DS did rise, and i have no idea why you say Fire Emblem can't sell more than Xenoblade, both Three Houses and FATES already did, by more than a million even 😯
 
Astral Dog said:
I believe you are a little confused friend, the jrpgs on 3DS did rise, and i have no idea why you say Fire Emblem can't sell more than Xenoblade, both Three Houses and FATES already did, by more than a million even 😯
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I see no evidence of Jrpgs rising, I see evidence of displacement and Fire Emblem gaining the spoils.

However, that's not taking away the fact that Fire Emblem ended up selling more and more.

As for Xenoblade, I was thinking of the first games sales plus the edition, which is around 4 million or so. I didn't realize XenoBlade declined in sales as it did for the sequels, Fire Emblem Fates seems to have sold around the same area as the sequels.

Seems Three houses was the closest to reaching Xenoblade 1 sales. Possible the next game if handled right could be the one.
 
Eddie-Griffin said:
I don't think Fire Emblem will sell Xenoblade numbers though without a more ambitious AAA title, but I think of that happens they could reach that. Though Nintendo seems to be kind of mixed on doing that for some reason.
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How so? Actually FE TH sold 3.4M already, which hasn't been achieved by Xenoblade yet... Maybe XB3 will go close to that (or surpass it) btw, the fact that FE has sold that much on a single entry says a lot about the potential XB3 sales
 
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Kataploom said:
How so? Actually FE TH sold 3.4M already, which hasn't been achieved by Xenoblade yet... Maybe XB3 will go close to that (or surpass it) btw, the fact that FE has sold that much on a single entry says a lot about the potential XB3 sales
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Xenoblade 1 plus DE edition is around 4 mill. But if you read the post right above yours, I didn't realize the other Xenoblades didn't improve over time. FE has a shot with the next game to outsell XB1.
 
Eddie-Griffin said:
Xenoblade 1 plus DE edition is around 4 mill. But if you read the post right above yours, I didn't realize the other Xenoblades didn't improve over time. FE has a shot with the next game to outsell XB1.
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I don't think that counts that way, the DE was a re-release that came much later than the original... many people double picked just because they wanted to play it again, but it's a very conflicting point because XB1 was sabotaged by NoA so we'll never know the actual potential it could have had in the West. I'm better just comparing last entries of both franchises since they both are considered good by players base and successful too
 
Kataploom said:
I don't think that counts that way, the DE was a re-release that came much later than the original... many people double picked just because they wanted to play it again, but it's a very conflicting point because XB1 was sabotaged by NoA so we'll never know the actual potential it could have had in the West. I'm better just comparing last entries of both franchises since they both are considered good by players base and successful too
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The DE didn't do that much more than 1 million it makes FE three closer ut still not quite there, but it's still impressive. It is likely outside a shortfall the next FE game will outsell XB1.

Also as I said in the post that I mentioned in the last post, I didn't realize how Xenoblade was not growing, I thought it was. First game will likely stay the best selling unless they find a way to make the next one more popular and reach out further and I'm not sure they can do that if they couldn't do it the last 2 times and still go with similar design.

Also I read you're sentence about XB1 as Xbox One for some reason whic is funny, because I was thinking: "NoA saboataged the Xbox One?" and then I was like, o yeah Xenoblade, lol.
 
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GigaBowser said:
You can't stop it from happening.

Nintendo see them Monster Hunter and Elden Ring sales and they be mirin
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The fact that the stuff you say sounds good in your head is a scary thought.

I'm also 90% sure you are the same dude who asked for a self ban. The guy with the Garfield avatar. I can't imagine there are two people who sound like that. What was your name? Kingfy or something?
 
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Eddie-Griffin said:
The DE didn't do that much more than 1 million it makes FE three closer ut still not quite there, but it's still impressive. It is likely outside a shortfall the next FE game will outsell XB1.

Also as I said in the post that I mentioned in the last post, I didn't realize how Xenoblade was not growing, I thought it was. First game will likely stay the best selling unless they find a way to make the next one more popular and reach out further and I'm not sure they can do that if they couldn't do it the last 2 times and still go with similar design.

Also I read you're sentence about XB1 as Xbox One for some reason whic is funny, because I was thinking: "NoA saboataged the Xbox One?" and then I was like, o yeah Xenoblade, lol.
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LOL I was thinking "meh, context matters, just put XB1"

Maybe a better comparison will be XB3 vs new mainline Fire Emblem... both would have come in a matured platform, have grown on brand recognition and present a current trend. AFAIK FE nor XB have been put together in a similar scenario to properly compare both. Both are successful btw, it's all I care about so I can get more of them
 
Kataploom said:
LOL I was thinking "meh, context matters, just put XB1"

Maybe a better comparison will be XB3 vs new mainline Fire Emblem... both would have come in a matured platform, have grown on brand recognition and present a current trend. AFAIK FE nor XB have been put together in a similar scenario to properly compare both. Both are successful btw, it's all I care about so I can get more of them
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Well it seems like Xenoblade never really "grew" but we'll see how 3 turns up, though I've noticed there's some negativity surrounding it.
 
Eddie-Griffin said:
Well it seems like Xenoblade never really "grew" but we'll see how 3 turns up, though I've noticed there's some negativity surrounding it.
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What? All I see is hype on YouTube, social media, etc., can't say Xenoblade grew but it's releases have conditioned by specifics of its context way too much, this is the first time the franchise is finally having a normal game release.

The only ones negative regarding it are the mashing button crew that cry over the existence of anything anime and deep tactic combat lol.
 
It's okay for us not to have the same tastes gaf.

I can only speak from my point of view.

Captain Toad said:
The fact that the stuff you say sounds good in your head is a scary thought.

I'm also 90% sure you are the same dude who asked for a self ban. The guy with the Garfield avatar. I can't imagine there are two people who sound like that. What was your name? Kingfy or something?
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Don't get mad at me just because I don't like your jrpg, or that cat game in your avatar.

Hold my Beer.
 
GigaBowser said:
It's okay for us not to have the same tastes gaf.

I can only speak from my point of view.



Don't get mad at me just because I don't like your jrpg, or that cat game in your avatar.

Hold my Beer.
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Don't like it then don't play it, why should Nintendo and Monolith Soft stop making them just because you personally don't like them.
 
Danjin44 said:
What negativity!? All the previews so far are positive. The only negative part is how Nintendo handled the special edition pre-orders.
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Pre-order but also wasn't there something about MTX or in-game items being mishandled or something? That's what some people are saying, though they could be misunderstanding tings.
 
Eddie-Griffin said:
Pre-order but also wasn't there something about MTX or in-game items being mishandled or something? That's what some people are saying, though they could be misunderstanding tings.
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What!? There is no MTX in this game, it has same type of DLC similar to Torna in XC2.
 
Eddie-Griffin said:
I see no evidence of Jrpgs rising, I see evidence of displacement and Fire Emblem gaining the spoils.

However, that's not taking away the fact that Fire Emblem ended up selling more and more.

As for Xenoblade, I was thinking of the first games sales plus the edition, which is around 4 million or so. I didn't realize XenoBlade declined in sales as it did for the sequels, Fire Emblem Fates seems to have sold around the same area as the sequels.

Seems Three houses was the closest to reaching Xenoblade 1 sales. Possible the next game if handled right could be the one.
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I was counting each release separately, didn't knew even counting all 3 Xenoblade 1 together made 4 million though. 😳

Was thinking Xenoblade 2 is the highest selling single game in the series with 2 million +
 
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It can't compete, there's no way around it
 
The only way I can see F-Zero doing well (let's say 2+ million sales) is with a lot of luck and some fundamental changes.

The aesthetic could be kept, but need to fundamentally change, such as making it something like Trackmania where you can build and share your own tracks. Or more destruction. Or flight. Or a music mode like Audiosurf. Or waifus. Or all those changes.


That would separate it enough from Mario Kart. And maybe down in the settings could be the option to have something the few F-Zero fans want.
 
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