GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
XC3 is crashing servers? They must be some weak servers because pretty much all of their staple franchises sell 5-15 times more than Xenoblade Chronicles 2 did.
Nintendo should focus on better franchises than Xenoblade
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Haint
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I'm tired of Xeno at this point as well, they been making that shit nonstop for 15 years. Put those resources into a new IP or have them reimagine an existing franchise. There's no way those guys want to keep making the same game over and over, it's just the only thing miserly Nintendo will greenlight.
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
Mario is a worldwide phenomenon that's more popular than fucking mickey mouse, of course they're going to sell way more than Xenoblade. It still doesn't make Xenoblade not popular, though
Oof85
Banned
Thanks but yeah I knew.Atelier also have some games with Hidari's design. The character designer for the Dusk trilogy (Ayesha, Escha & Logy, Shallie) are Hidari. All games are medieval setting, but it's turn-based RPG with focus on alchemy system.
Gust games aren't my cup of tea. But his Fire Emblem designs are top tier imo.
An action RPG with his martial designs(cuz Atelier games is quasi-contemporary in style) is my dream game.
Like, this tier art in an action jrpg with the Xenoblade 3 level rendering tech so it closely resembles the concept art?
It gets no better imo.
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Rykan
Member
I'm fairly certain that server infrastructure is yet another topic you don't have much knowledge about.
Regardless, XBC has proven to be much more popular the F zero so it gets to stay. Don't worry, there's plenty of F zero alternatives. You probably haven't heard of them though, they're not very popular. I wonder why?
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saturnalian
Member
Edit, wrong quote
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Robb
Gold Member
Not sure what counts as a lot (or abandoned) but just from the top of my head I can name 1080 Snowboarding, Golden Sun, Pilotwings, Punch-Out, Rythm Heaven and Wario Land. And I'm sure I'm forgetting lots of other titles.
Zannegan
Member
You, of all Gaffers, should know not speak with any confidence about market trends and sales potential. Your Pokemon thread is the stuff of legends.
Old data may give a less than perfect picture of modern sales trends, but it's hell of a lot more meaningful than wild ass guesses.
Rykan
Member
That's right. OP's expertise regarding sales predictions are well known and respectable.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
xenoblsee chronicles sells a couple mill at least right? i think that's a good amount for the fans of it.
let them enjoy it.
and myself, i think it's great. i'd much rather play a xenoblade game over final fantasy xv
let them enjoy it.
and myself, i think it's great. i'd much rather play a xenoblade game over final fantasy xv
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
Mario Kart alternatives are not very popular either.
Shut0wen
Banned
Lmao ive noticedGigaBowser doesn't understand how businesses work that in-depth yet.
Nautilus
Banned
I liked fried foods!
And lol at your sentence. I get that is your personal opinion and that's fine, but Xenoblade is a franchise in clear growth. XC 2 is probably around 2,5 million, almost 3 times what the first one did. The remake of the first game is around 1,7 million, a game that has released already on the Wii, 3DS and the Wii U, and manage to outsell the original by almost the double.
If that's the case, more and more people like this series and its "inherent flaws". So after 4 games(kind of 5), you have to ask yourself:Are those flaws, or its strenghts? Or are people simply jealous?
Oof85
Banned
If it's something people complain about and are stymied by, I'd say it's a flaw.
A strength is something that enriches the experience.
A large world, can be a strength or weakness dependent on what content fills it and how it's communicated to us.
A large world with beautiful locations and compelling layout is a strength.
A large world with nondescript locations and poor layout is a weakness.
The biggest negatives associated the series is the obtuse battle systems and gui.
Those are where the most complaints are found, barring 2's horny designs and camera.
If people are repeatedly complaining about it, it's not a strength.
Jealousy? I won't even dignify that with a response.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
It's not an internal Nintendo team, it's a Nintendo-owned studio that only makes Xenoblade games or supports Zelda titles.
Them releasing Xenoblade games has nothing to do with an F-Zero happening or not happening.
Lol.
Nautilus
Banned
What people? The 5% that are complaining, ones that probably didn't even buy said game, and that mostly complain that the girls and guys in XC 2 are too "hot"? The same ones that have zero problem with gore and extreme violence in games, because seeing decapitaded heads is ok but having sexy people with big tits is a no no? Please.
You confuse personal opinion with consensus. XC 2 is not a perfect game, but the consensus is that its a fantastic game with very few flaws, that doesn't really get in the way of the quality of the game. But sure, there is a very small minority that is vocal about their opinions. And like people say: Opinion is like an ass, everyone has one.
lovetalkgames
Banned
Show me a market example where a game like F-Zero is thriving and I'll be more inclined to believe Nintendo is just slighting fans due to lack of care.
Rykan
Member
Crash Team racing sold more than any F Zero has by a very wide margin.
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NanaMiku
Member
Even if Mario Kart alternative aren't popular, at least MK got cloned which mean it's a success. How many clones of F-Zero?
Oof85
Banned
Breh, I put in the horny X2 complaints as an aside.
I said the main criticisms the games get are the convoluted battle systems and gui.
I said that after my own experience with the Xbde and then looking at what people have been saying online for years.
On no less than three different forums hard-core fans of the games admit the in-game tutorials are bad, and they've got bookmarked youtube videos to walk people through what the game does poorly on it's own.
And just for a lark, I went to look for an aggregate website for the last game.
That means the common strengths are the scale and structure whereas we see what the common criticisms are.
It's not jealousy nor hate.
A great example of a battle system is Pokemon.
Easy enough for everyone to understand it, complex enough for a deeper metagame for those who care to push it there via held items, buffs and debuffs.
You tell me if the battle system is something people rail against Pokemon for.
I said all that to say this.
I don't hate the Xenoblade games. It was the one I wanted to play the most from Operation Rainfall, all those years ago.
But I did play it when it was remastered for Switch and the battle system turned me away.
I still plan on buying Xb3 even though I suspect the system will disgust me yet again because I want to see what everyone else is so feverish over.
I just think there's a flaw to the franchise sensibilities, and while many love it warts n all, others keep it at a distance because of the warts.
And I think the studio can do better. And hoping they'll prove me right with a new ip sooner rather than later.
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Dream-Knife
Banned
Xenoblade and other niche games don't sell very well and get completely ignored by awards, yet we still get them.
By your logic these companies would only release F2P GAAS games.
Games like Xenoblade exist to keep the hardcore audience on your platform, not to sell amazingly well.
F-Zero would serve the same purpose. I imagine they just don't have an idea on what a modern F-Zero game would be like.
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Nautilus
Banned
Breh, I put in the horny X2 complaints as an aside.
I said the main criticisms the games get are the convoluted battle systems and gui.
I said that after my own experience with the Xbde and then looking at what people have been saying online for years.
On no less than three different forums hard-core fans of the games admit the in-game tutorials are bad, and they've got bookmarked youtube videos to walk people through what the game does poorly on it's own.
And just for a lark, I went to look for an aggregate website for the last game.
That means the common strengths are the scale and structure whereas we see what the common criticisms are.
It's not jealousy nor hate.
A great example of a battle system is Pokemon.
Easy enough for everyone to understand it, complex enough for a deeper metagame for those who care to push it there via held items, buffs and debuffs.
You tell me if the battle system is something people rail against Pokemon for.
I said all that to say this.
I don't hate the Xenoblade games. It was the one I wanted to play the most from Operation Rainfall, all those years ago.
But I did play it when it was remastered for Switch and the battle system turned me away.
I still plan on buying Xb3 even though I suspect the system will disgust me yet again because I want to see what everyone else is so feverish over.
I just think there's a flaw to the franchise sensibilities, and while many love it warts n all, others keep it at a distance because of the warts.
And I think the studio can do better. And hoping they'll prove me right with a new ip sooner rather than later.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Online play? They seem to like to focus their latests releases around online play, so an F-Zero centered around that would be different than the previous ones.
And maybe put some big tits here and there.
Nautilus
Banned
You skipped the part that I said "Comparatively to its budget".
Selling well doesn't mean it has to sell 10 million+.
If a game has a budget that requires it to sell 500k units at full price to break even, and ends up selling 2 million, that's selling well or an investment well done.
If a game has a budget that requires it to sell 3 million at full price to break even, and ends up selling just 2 millions, that's a bad performance because the company ended up bleeding money.
That's just common sense. As long as a game peoduces profits deemed acceptable by the company, those profits being 1 million or 100 million, it will keep making more. But how much profit it ends up making depends on how much said company spends on its development.That's why Xenoblade games keep being made(on top of filling a gap on Nintendo systems, obviously).
And not all IPs start as juggernauths. COD, FF, Animal Crossing, MH, etc all had humble begginings, and grew over time. One thing they all had in common was that, at least most of the time, they were profitable.
Dream-Knife
Banned
Yes, but my initial comment is the consumer shouldn't care much about the games sales, just enjoy the game.
The original COD did quite well actually.
Nautilus
Banned
So you decided to ignore everything I just said?
Yeah sure, as a consumer the game is all that matters, but the companies cares about consumer satisfaction, but also about its profits. So sales for them are important.
And in a discussion about the viability of a franchise, which this is, sales are vital sources of information in determining its viability.
Dream-Knife
Banned
The post I initially responded to was about you the consumer caring about sales numbers. Let the companies decide what they want to produce. Gamers shouldn't care and just enjoy their games. Talking about sales shouldn't be a topic on this board about the next F-Zero. All that matters is they make a good game. AG racing and Xenoblade are both niche, but appreciated by a hardcore fanbase.
Nautilus
Banned
But you are in a hardcore forum dedicated about videogames.
Sales obviously matters to us, as we like to talk about those things. Especially if the discussion is why Nintendo or any other company doesn't make a new X game.
Saying that a hardcore forum shouldn't care about hard facts of the industry they like is the same as saying we shouldn't compare games against one another, or make top 10 lists, or not get angry when a company does something shitty and just enjoy the games. It goes against the nature of what this forum made of enthusiast is about.
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UltimaKilo
Gold Member
It's the greatest JRPG series since PS2 era. Truly incredible.
SlimeGooGoo
Banned
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Mister Wolf
Member
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Eh, what did Monolith do before? Xenosaga?
They don't have much history of deviating form this formula, not sure what else you could put them on that would be within the studios comfort zone.
They don't have much history of deviating form this formula, not sure what else you could put them on that would be within the studios comfort zone.
Nautilus
Banned
They mostly do RPGs yes, but they had a big hand in making BOTW, art assets for various Nintendo games like Animal Crossing.
Having said that, they did make Disaster: Day of Crisis, which is as detached from any possible RPG format as you can get. It wasn't a excellent game sure, but it wasn't terrible. Pretty sure they could make something even better if they decided one day.
NanaMiku
Member
They also made Project X Zone and Endless Frontier
Nautilus
Banned
Those are also JRPGs.Unconventional sure, but still RPGs. I think he meant something other than RPG.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Nintendo focuses on one major title at a time. Whatever first-party title is coming out in the next 30-60 days will get the big marketing push and the focus. A week after it's out, they move on to the next major title. It's not that they're focusing mostly on Xenoblade at the expense of other titles. Xenoblade happens to be coming out this summer, and is their major Summer title now that Strikers is already out. Once Xenoblade is out, all their focus will move to Splatoon 3.
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
it frankly looks pretty good from the trailer honestly
And what you deserve is a therapist because it's clear some bad F zero fan did you dirty when you were a kid.
Astral Dog
Member
This is so stupid, but to give an honest answer...
Nintendo wasn't known for producing RPGs themselves, they started with Xenoblade on Wii wich got critical success, more than they expected, but performed very modest commercially, then on 3DS Fire Emblem Awakening actually had a big impact on their business,a game they had little faith at first, suddendly thousands, then millions of gamers were buying 3DS to play Fire Emblem, this then attracts companies with Jrpgs=growing audience with money.
They been pushing Xenoblade to fill that gap, along with Fire Emblem they help grow an audience that buys RPGs, game companies make JRPGs(and strategy games) ,they don't mass produce rail shooters like Star Fox.
Xenoblade now is a big hit on Switch, and will continue to sell well.
Nintendo publishing Bayonetta and other action games also makes sense, since companies produce M rated and action games, so even if they just sell modestly, boom! suddendly games like Devil May Cry, Dragon's Dogma, Ninja Gaiden,Nier Automata, countless Warriors titles appear on the Switch, all of those help Nintendo who previously had no part in this market, create a healthy platform
Nintendo wasn't known for producing RPGs themselves, they started with Xenoblade on Wii wich got critical success, more than they expected, but performed very modest commercially, then on 3DS Fire Emblem Awakening actually had a big impact on their business,a game they had little faith at first, suddendly thousands, then millions of gamers were buying 3DS to play Fire Emblem, this then attracts companies with Jrpgs=growing audience with money.
They been pushing Xenoblade to fill that gap, along with Fire Emblem they help grow an audience that buys RPGs, game companies make JRPGs(and strategy games) ,they don't mass produce rail shooters like Star Fox.
Xenoblade now is a big hit on Switch, and will continue to sell well.
Nintendo publishing Bayonetta and other action games also makes sense, since companies produce M rated and action games, so even if they just sell modestly, boom! suddendly games like Devil May Cry, Dragon's Dogma, Ninja Gaiden,Nier Automata, countless Warriors titles appear on the Switch, all of those help Nintendo who previously had no part in this market, create a healthy platform
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PhaseJump
Banned
The worst thing about the RPGs Monolith Soft puts out is how convoluted and ridiculous sounding they make the language or dialog in their games. I've played all their stuff from Xenosaga, Baten Kaitos, up to Xenoblade Chronicles. It's always a fucking headache to look at and take in the terminology and characters.
I'm a fan in general, but I clearly see the overwhelming nonsensical bullshit they keep putting into the presentation.
Looking at all the reveal media around XC3 is so fucking lobotomizing to my hype, that I now refuse to pick up the game. It's that disgusting to follow just on the surface. The generic anime look, the description of the characters and their motivations, the setting.... It's reminding me hard of playing Xenosaga 1 back in the day when it just came out, having to use the stupid encyclopedia UMN thing built into the menu.
Sometimes less is more, sometimes magic should be just called magic.
I'm a fan in general, but I clearly see the overwhelming nonsensical bullshit they keep putting into the presentation.
Looking at all the reveal media around XC3 is so fucking lobotomizing to my hype, that I now refuse to pick up the game. It's that disgusting to follow just on the surface. The generic anime look, the description of the characters and their motivations, the setting.... It's reminding me hard of playing Xenosaga 1 back in the day when it just came out, having to use the stupid encyclopedia UMN thing built into the menu.
Sometimes less is more, sometimes magic should be just called magic.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
The menu based combat is a turn off to a lot of gamers.
I can put up with the anime although I would prefer a better art style. At least they make cool environments. Not big on the character models but I'm more interested in them improving the combat and making it more approachable.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
They have improved the combat a lot but YOUR problem is you dont like the core combat, which is mostly YOU problem rather than the game.
Go play different game.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
I just think they put an awful lot of effort in these games to sell 2 million, which is decent but one of their lowest franchises.
If it had more westernised combat it would probably do much better.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I'm gonna put as gently as possible.......FUCK NO!!!! Go play WRPG if you want WRPG combat.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Then those gamers should play other games.
And for "better" art styles, nah I can't see none, for me and many others anime is great, so gimme more anime
Btw, Xenoblade is literally a hardcore game, it's aimed at dedicated RPG players or players that are good spending time on deep mechanics. I can give a list of stuff if improve in Xenoblade 2 combat but: 1. It doesn't make it bad, 2. They probably already fix them on Xenoblade 3 anyway.
Oh and 3. If you don't like the mechanics go play something else, Xenoblade clearly isn't for you given how many things you'd change about it... I'd also like more anime RPG from Nintendo (Golden Sun, Pandora Tower) but that's what it is
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
there is a niche for Xenoblade. Monolith Soft and Nintendo are fufilling that niche. Asking them to stop fufilling that niche in order to fufill your even less popular niche is incredibly selfish and economically stupid.
said it before and ill say it again, THERE IS NO SHAME IN REPLAYING 15-20 YEAR OLD GAMES. You like F-Zero, keep playing F-Zero. Nintendo will likely never live up to GX, so just keep playing that game. Better yet, find mods for it
said it before and ill say it again, THERE IS NO SHAME IN REPLAYING 15-20 YEAR OLD GAMES. You like F-Zero, keep playing F-Zero. Nintendo will likely never live up to GX, so just keep playing that game. Better yet, find mods for it
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