Support NeoGAF

[Averon]

"But the PS3/360 had no HDMI cable!"

Holyshit.
Why can't people understand the PS3 and 360 not having an HDMI cable and Nintendo not giving the new 3DS an AC adapter aren't the same at all? The PS3 and 360 doesn't need to use an HDMI cable to function; they came with component cables. The 3DS XL requires an AC adapter to function beyond the battery charge it is shipped with. It does not not have that. That's the key difference. The PS3 and 360 had all the requirement for functionality from the get-go; the 3DS XL does not.

 

[Laconic]

Sure, you buy a new game system to watch Netflix. This is really getting ridiculous.

You can't get 'dat 240p experience on a smart phone, yo!

 

[meanspartan]

Sure, you buy a new game system to watch Netflix. This is really getting ridiculous.

No, you are ridiculous comparing an integral component to software.

 

[tsumineko]

No it is not. You can turn it on and use it for as long as you want. You might not have games to play, but it's a functional system out of the box.

So what do you do with your gameless game system? Netflix, like the other guy?

Games are about choice. I can buy Mario, or buy Zelda. Donkey kong or Pokemon. With chargers I can get....oh wait I just need a regular fucking charger.

Yeah, which you can buy along with your game.

 

[inherendo]

I have 10s of chargers for phones. I don't use them as they usually suck. I use a 5 port charger ranging from 1 to 2.1amp and a dual 2a USB in the car. I prefer having a USB to 3ds as the ac adapter is more bulkier than it should be. I have no problem with them not including it for reducing costs for them as it reduces tons of waste. I encourage adopters to spend like 3 bucks for a USB cable.

 

[tsumineko]

No, you are ridiculous comparing an integral component to software.

Sorry, I didn't realize software wasn't an integral component to game systems functioning.

 

[nelchaar]

I don't understand. Hasn't the old 3DS XL been sold for $150-$200 for the past 3 years WITH an adapter? WTF is this shit.

 

[Petrae]

That's a scenario I don't see as being all that common. The store where you buy the N3DS will tell you about the AC adapter. They don't want the customer coming back with a return. That's bad for them.

If a parent buys a New 3DS from a Walmart or Target, there's a reasonable chance that the clerk-- who also deals with cameras, TVs, laptops, and other electronics-- probably isn't going to know (or remember) to warn about needing to buy a power supply.

"Hi, I want a New 3DS thing for my son."
"Here you go. That's $199.99 plus tax. Is that going to be debit or credit?"

Perhaps, in smaller or more specialized stores, staff will be trained to suggest the power supply to customers, but even then, it's likely not a 100% ask unless the Point of Sale system prompts the sale.

 

[Storm360]

So what do you do with your gameless game system? Netflix, like the other guy?

As i've said, you can always connect online and download some demos or free games, you could even buy the console without any games to try some demos out and pick up the games you like.

 

[Jazzy Network]

So what do you do with your gameless game system? Netflix, like the other guy?



Yeah, which you can buy along with your game.

Or I can not and just buy dat 200 dollar paperweight.

 

[Trike]

The 3DS XL I bought last year from Target was $50 cheaper, included an AC adapter, and had a game bundled. I'm trying to understand how a revised 3DS XL at $200 without an adapter is pro consumer based on their PR statement. They're not saving me any money. The base price for an OG 3DS XL with an adapter is $200 where I live (without any deals running).

I got a pizza for free, why are these assholes all paying for pizza? Sale/clearance/used prices are clearly not the norm. How is a New 3DS XL without an adapter being the same price as an old one with an adapter not an improvement? Keep in mind, when the Nintendo DSi launched it was $169.99, compared to the original DS which was $149.99. Or the DS Lite for that matter, which was $129.99.

Or how about this, in 2012 when the 3DS XL originally launched for $205 when you take inflation into account. Just buy a charger with it and look, you are saving money and have a better system.

Spoiler

jk everyone knows you have a charger

 

[tsumineko]

Or I can not and just buy dat 200 dollar paperweight.

Exactly!

 

[Aiustis]

If a parent buys a New 3DS from a Walmart or Target, there's a reasonable chance that the clerk-- who also deals with cameras, TVs, laptops, and other electronics-- probably isn't going to know (or remember) to warn about needing to buy a power supply.

"Hi, I want a New 3DS thing for my son."
"Here you go. That's $199.99 plus tax. Is that going to be debit or credit?"

Perhaps, in smaller or more specialized stores, staff will be trained to suggest the power supply to customers, but even then, it's likely not a 100% ask unless the Point of Sale system prompts the sale.

Where are all these parents that go with the most expensive options?

 

[meanspartan]

Sorry, I didn't realize software wasn't an integral component to game systems functioning.

Im not sure we agree on what functioning means.

Nobody expects movies to come with their blu ray player, but ya, we expect it to come with its power cable.

 

[TheSlySoul]

If a parent buys a New 3DS from a Walmart or Target, there's a reasonable chance that the clerk-- who also deals with cameras, TVs, laptops, and other electronics-- probably isn't going to know (or remember) to warn about needing to buy a power supply.

"Hi, I want a New 3DS thing for my son."
"Here you go. That's $199.99 plus tax. Is that going to be debit or credit?"

Yeah.
I can see the parent returning the system thinking it was broken since it stopped working within 2 hours. Employee would apologize and probably give them a normal 3DS because she didn't realize New 3DS didn't mean New New 3DS.

I think this video sums it up all well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQzcXJ2oTHg

 

[Gorillaz]

Maybe because of the textbook example of entitlement you are exhibiting despite not actually being entitled to anything? This kind of thing happens with all sorts of products, but now that it is happening to yours in your region you suddenly care. Did you make a hubbub when it happened to those overseas for years? Or how about specifically when the other released versions of the device did not come with it? No? You thought it would automatically come with it, despite no other region getting it. OK.

If you don't want the New NIntendo 3DS XL, might I suggest getting the old one? It does come with the only thing that matters, apparently. Same price too, how convenient!

Easy tiger, that's not an "American" or regional thing. That's a consumer thing. Thats not entitlement. Your paying for a product to have the necessities to work and power the device to be in the box. It might not bother people IF it doesn't then do you. People, especially parents, do expect it to be ready out the box.

 

[Laconic]

I don't understand. Hasn't the old 3DS XL been sold for $150-$200 for the past 3 years WITH an adapter? WTF is this shit.

Greed + the assumption that we're all sniveling, spineless ATMs who'll take whatever they offer?

It is not like there is a laundry list of consumer accepted abuses last gen to substantiate this....

 

[Vanillalite]

The price is honestly the biggest story out of today's events and it's being lost in adapter-gate. The 3DS is 4 years old at this point, and they're still asking $200 for the new revision. Never mind a refurb Wii U, you could have bought a fucking Xbone over the Holidays for $200 effective if you otherwise wanted to buy one of the bundled games. As outrageous as the cost is, they're doing so knowing full well the platform only has 1-2 more years of notable support (if that). Topping it off with the official excuse of a $2 adapter bleeding them dry in BoM and they've blown way past insulting to lost their fucking minds territory.

Agreed.

Tech is sped up 3ds hardware which wasnt cutting edge in 2011. Which is fine, in line with their "withered tech" strategy since Game Boy. But Game Boys got very cheap, outside of 2ds, 3ds has stayed pricy.

Now THIS shit right here is the real talk we should be having. The fact that Nintendo is still selling the NEW 3DS which amounts to basically decade old hardware for $200 is the real problem. It was an issue with the old model, and it's still here with the new model.

$200 for the 3ds tech wise is fucking highway robbery.

 

[Jazzy Network]

Yo I hope next time I buy a keyboard I gotta buy them keys individually! It's all about dat choice. I don't use the z button that often so I ain't gonna spend on that shit.

 

[Petrae]

Where are all these parents that go with the most expensive options?

Depending on location, money at times isn't a big deal to some parents if an item is big on their children's want lists. I saw this quite frequently while working for GS outside of Phoenix, AZ in 2010-11.

 

[tsumineko]

Im not sure we agree on what functioning means.

Nobody expects movies to come with their blu ray ayer, but ya, we expect it to come with its power cable.

But you still need a movie to run on your player for it to function. I was merely curious about how Americans apparently expect a completely functioning device out of one box. Apparently that isn't the case...

 

[GoaThief]

Sorry, I didn't realize software wasn't an integral component to game systems functioning.

Is this person serious? Holy shit.

Anyway, as I don't own a 3ds I thought it might be time to pick a one up as a semi-impulse purchase. I definitely will not now unless it's rectified. For a device like this it's unacceptable.

 

[Night Angel]

I've read that it's good that Nintendo us letting consumers save money by taking the adapter out. It's complete bullshit, but let's pretend for a moment it's not.

In the interest of saving the consumer money, wouldn't Nintendo also want to offer adapters for sale at cost? There is absolutely no way on this planet the adapter costs them $8. If they really wanted to hell the consumer, wouldn't they be selling them for <$3?

Oh wait, they aren't because it's bullshit.

The apologists in here are making me nauseous. Nintendo is perfectly happy to charge consumers $10 for something it would cost them pennies to include, and then they tell us it's in our best interest. Their lack of respect for the consumer has never been so clear.

 

[Mik317]

Good job you can download some demos or the F2P Steel Diver game out the box right?



Like I said, it's really not the cost that bothers me, I'd have the same feeling if it was $10 or $100, it's the thought of buying something incomplete that bugs me, it's probably related to OCD, I can't buy cart only games too, I have to get them CIB.

I respect that.

Not just to you but everyone here, I want to apologize for coming off too strong as I need to realize that not everyone has the same value on things they want and that even the smallest issues can stop them wheras it won't bother me up until a certain point or not at all because I want it badly.

Not everyone is me and I need to realize that. I have spent too much time today arguing over something that is basically "That doesn't bother me..so shut up".

I don't get it but I guess I don't need to. It is unfortunate that this has overshadowed the cool stuff they showed today but hey bad decisions tend to do that, right.

Please stop me if I begin to just argue "hey this doesn't bother me...so stop whinning you clod"...I need to get better at that.

 

[Laconic]

Yo I hope next time I buy a keyboard I gotta buy them keys individually! It's all about dat choice. I don't use the z button that often so I ain't gonna spend on that shit.

Don't forget the USB cord and the left rear leg.

 

[TI82]

You can use the 3ds without games.

You literally can't use it once the battery dies and it has to be recharged.

The apologists are out of control.

They are in total meltdown after that horrible direct. Like... Wow. How Nintendo thought that was a good idea is beyond me.

 

[meanspartan]

Now THIS shit right here is the real talk we should be having. The fact that Nintendo is still selling the NEW 3DS which amounts to basically decade old hardware for $200 is the real problem. It was an issue with the old model, and it's still here with the new model.

$200 for the 3ds tech wise is fucking highway robbery.

They made a killing with Game Boy by selling 1985 tech for dirt cheap in 1995 (and beyond).

No idea why they dont do the same now, especially competing vs smartphones. 3ds has done well, but nowhere near DS. Pricing below $150 seems warranted but isnt happening other than 2ds.

 

[aEku]

other thing is they can ship the product in a smaller box, this means more boxes per m² and that means less co² emissions.

 

[nelchaar]

Greed + the assumption that we're all sniveling, spineless ATMs who'll take whatever they offer?

It is not like there is a laundry list of consumer accepted abuses last gen to substantiate this....

Fuck that. I held off buying $150 old 3DS XLs over the holiday period so I can get a new 3DS XL (my first "DS" handheld ever) and Nintendo tries to nickel and dime me? No. I'll wait for the new Nintendo handheld. I can't support these scummy anti-consumer practices. How much money are they saving? You can imagine their handheld is already very profitable. Doesn't the Vita come with a charger cable???

 

[tsumineko]

Is this person serious? Holy shit.

Anyway, as I don't own a 3ds I thought it might be time to pick a one up as a semi-impulse purchase. I definitely will not now unless it's rectified. For a device like this it's unacceptable.

Explain to me how software isn't nessecary. Go on, I'd love to hear this.

 

[TheSlySoul]

They are in total meltdown after that horrible direct. Like... Wow. How Nintendo thought that was a good idea is beyond me.

It will be fun when used new 3DS becomes a thing. 3DSi would have been leagues better.
This video still holds true: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQzcXJ2oTHg

 

[hitmon]

Explain to me how software isn't nessecary. Go on, I'd love to hear this.

Does the new 3DS not come with software on it?

 

[Pathfinder]

Does the new 3DS not come with software on it?

They mean games.

 

[Aiustis]

Depending on location, money at times isn't a big deal to some parents if an item is big on their children's want lists. I saw this quite frequently while working for GS outside of Phoenix, AZ in 2010-11.

Most parents I see notice the price difference and take a second glance and ask some questions even if they still go for the more expensive option; work for GS too.

 

[tsumineko]

Does the new 3DS not come with software on it?

The question was about consoles that do not come with included software. Consoles that do not come with included software do not function out of the box. Apparently Americans expect fully functioning devices in one box, that's why buying a charger separately isn't an option.

 

[Storm360]

I respect that.

Not just to you but everyone here, I want to apologize for coming off too strong as I need to realize that not everyone has the same value on things they want and that even the smallest issues can stop them wheras it won't bother me up until a certain point or not at all because I want it badly.

Not everyone is me and I need to realize that. I have spent too much time today arguing over something that is basically "That doesn't bother me..so shut up".

I don't get it but I guess I don't need to. It is unfortunate that this has overshadowed the cool stuff they showed today but hey bad decisions tend to do that, right.

Please stop me if I begin to just argue "hey this doesn't bother me...so stop whinning you clod"...I need to get better at that.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but yeah, the New 3DS is really quite disappointing for me, this was a golden chance to improve alot of things about the 3DS, It's the perfect time to announce a region free system update (even more so considering the regular New 3DS isn't available in the US), or to overhaul their digital distribution system, instead it sadly feels like Nintendo have taken another step back.

 

[SeanR1221]

Is the goalpost really moving to

"It doesn't have games included so why should they include an AC adapter"

Really?

REALLY!?

 

[Jazzy Network]

The question was about consoles that do not come with included software. Consoles that do not come with included software do not function out of the box. Apparently Americans expect fully functioning devices in one box, that's why buying a charger separately isn't an option.

It works fine. I can show people my Mii, use it to dl porn, and play my ambassador games. No adapter robs me of all 3.

 

[TheSlySoul]

Most parents I see notice the price difference and take a second glance and ask some questions even if they still go for the more expensive option; work for GS too.

Pretty much, a kid will want a 3DS to play Pokemon. I doubt they are going to know at all about what a new 3DS XL is. It is DSi all over again. Alhough a bit more annoying because no super awesome face plates as well.

 

[meanspartan]

But you still need a movie to run on your player for it to function. I was merely curious about how Americans apparently expect a completely functioning device out of one box. Apparently that isn't the case...

JESUS CHRIST.

Ok....my new Blu Player is ready to play movies when it has power. Same with my 3ds. The power cable makes it ready to meet its purpose.

Without it, both are just expensive bricks.

 

[jamesinclair]

This wouldn't be half the outrage if they used standard micro usb which everyone has a drawer full of.

Fuck off Nintendo

 

[Night Angel]

Is the goalpost really moving to

"It doesn't have games included so why should they include an AC adapter"

Really?

REALLY!?

Yes. It's amazing what lengths some people will go to to protect Nintendo from criticism.

Now it's unreasonable to expect shit to work right out of the box with all the necessary wires and such.

 

[Sacul64GC]

They give you a memory card in all new copies of Vita. Sheep are all the same.

Shhh ... logic.

no they don't, during the holidays we started to get non Vita Borderlands bundle systems that are just the 2000 model with no memory card since that was just a limited bundle.

http://www.gamestop.com/ps-vita/consoles/playstation-vita-system-with-wifi/118939

 

[meanspartan]

Is the goalpost really moving to

"It doesn't have games included so why should they include an AC adapter"

Really?

REALLY!?

This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but with false equivalency.

 

[Petrae]

Most parents I see notice the price difference and take a second glance and ask some questions even if they still go for the more expensive option; work for GS too.

Like I said-- it varies based on location. Some areas are richer than others. I've worked in some well-to-do locales, and then some not-so-great ones, where used and earlier models of hardware were just fine. Pockets of both exist.

 

[Somnid]

It works fine. I can show people my Mii, use it to dl porn, and play my ambassador games. No adapter robs me of all 3.

I believe you need to pay a 50 cent unlock for that, or at least that's how it works in Japan.

 

[Mik317]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but yeah, the New 3DS is really quite disappointing for me, this was a golden chance to improve alot of things about the 3DS, It's the perfect time to announce a region free system update (even more so considering the regular New 3DS isn't available in the US), or to overhaul their digital distribution system, instead it sadly feels like Nintendo have taken another step back.

No I am legit serious.

Your OCD answer had me realize that I am legit sitting here arguing that everyone should have my values and whatnot...which is exactly what I hate about other arguments on the internet and yet I fell for it.

I want to get back to enjoying my time on the internet instead of arguing especially arguments in which I am being a wrong asshole or expecting everyone to be me. It is a waste of everyones time.

again I need to get better at this.

No sarcasm

 

[Trike]

Easy tiger, that's not an "American" or regional thing. That's a consumer thing. Thats not entitlement. Your paying for a product to have the necessities to work and power the device to be in the box. It might not bother people IF it doesn't then do you. People, especially parents, do expect it to be ready out the box.

Actually, no, parents are used to things not working out of the box and requiring additional power sources. Cause, you know, they buy toys for kids all the time. And a batteries can easily be more expensive than a 3DS charger. You are actually paying for what is in the box, your expectation to have everything you want in it is totes entitlement, so is your attitude as a consumer. That's okay, a lot of consumers feel super entitled. Most people who have ever worked retail know this. But, as I mentioned earlier, plenty of electronics do not necessarily come with everything you need to use it. So you are right, it isn't an American thing (even this situation is totally an american thing), it is a gamer thing. Or Nintendo-fan thing? To some, at least.

Also the charger does not power the device, the batteries do. The charger recharges the batteries, which are at least partially charged out of the box. I also bolded whatever riddle you left in hopes that you or someone else can decipher it.

 

[Night Angel]

Actually, no, parents are used to things not working out of the box and requiring additional power sources. Cause, you know, they buy toys for kids all the time. And a batteries can easily be more expensive than a 3DS charger. You are actually paying for what is in the box, your expectation to have everything you want in it is totes entitlement, so is your attitude as a consumer. That's okay, a lot of consumers feel super entitled. Most people who have ever worked retail know this. But, as I mentioned earlier, plenty of electronics do not necessarily come with everything you need to use it. So you are right, it isn't an American thing (even this situation is totally an american thing), it is a gamer thing. Or Nintendo-fan thing? To some, at least.

Also the charger does not power the device, the batteries do. The charger recharges the batteries, which are at least partially charged out of the box. I also bolded whatever riddle you left in hopes that you or someone else can decipher it.

Oh dear sweet mother of fuck.

 

[TheSlySoul]

I believe you need to pay a 50 cent unlock for that, or at least that's how it works in Japan.

Yep, new 3DS is filtered internet. You have to pay money to get your boobs.
Have fun!
Edit: I bet NeoGAF is blocked by default.